[vrzone] GTX670Ti in March

[BD231]

 

[blackened23]

That's odd! Why would it bother you? The points I raise are fair actually about price/performance, substantial and significant new node, new arch, comparing to a 14+month old, already premium priced sku, raising MSRP by 50 percent, softened their commitment to the sweet spot strategy.
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The impression (not you in particular, but some) I get is that many of you defend NV when they charge way above what they should, even if the margin of performance increase is pititful (10% for 480, and 580, respectively). Being an apologist for nvidia pricing while bashing AMD seems weird, to say the least. It has a fancy CUDA acrynym on the box

 

[thilanliyan]

It has a fancy CUDA acrynym on the box

No no no, it's "PhysX" on the box that makes the difference.

 

[SirPauly]

The impression (not you in particular, but some) I get is that many of you defend NV when they charge way above what they should, even if the margin of performance increase is pititful (10% for 480, and 580, respectively). Being an apologist for nvidia pricing while bashing AMD seems weird, to say the least. Here's a company that has ripped you off for 10+ years and some people seem to love getting ripped off for some reason...because..OH! It has a fancy CUDA acrynym on the box

The points I raise are valid and part of the discussion.

Edit: If some are uncomfortable -- simply ignore me! Much better than offering personal jabs!

 

[AnandThenMan]

I would rather discuss the price/performance of Kepler; to see what nVidia brings, but I get the HD 7970 Halo card shoved down my throat around here and why it is worth the premium.

If you really feel that way, then don't participate in these discussions. And the irony continues, if anyone here is trying to shove a view point down anyone's throat it is you. I challenge you to find anyone that has repeated the same argument (often essentially verbatim) as many times as you.

Don't try to force a one way view about things to me.

And here we have even more irony. It's truly amazing. D:

 

[SirPauly]

However, I have offered the AMD side of the coin many times as well, on why AMD may of priced them the way they did. I haven't ignored these points and will not ignore the performance/value points as well. Simply ignore me, if someone is just one-sided.

 

[AnandThenMan]

...and will not ignore the performance/value points as well. Simply ignore me.

You have expressed concern these "premium" prices might be here to stay. And you have also many times talked about Nvidia's marketshare and healthy profits. Now AMD has essentially taken a page out of Nvidia's book and is charging top dollar for top performance, and you bitterly complain. Something that Nvidia has been doing for as long as I can remember, and doing it at every opportunity.

So on one hand you praise Nvidia for their financial performance, features, gaming performance, GPGPU features etc. but at the same time, expect AMD to deliver the same, except not charge what the market will bear. What it boils down to is you don't want to see a healthy AMD, even though you claim that you do. And without a healthy AMD, you will really see some premium pricing.

The bottom line is your argument is extremely flawed and one sided, even though you claim it is not. Just because you bring up positive points about AMD doesn't take back the hundreds of times you have heavily criticized them.

 

[SirPauly]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33002858&postcount=393

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Many examples of this side but only when I mention the other side -- performance/value -- the s*** hits the fan.

 

[AnandThenMan]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33002858&postcount=393

Edit:

Many examples of this side but only when I mention the other side -- performance/value -- the s*** hits the fan.

You missed the point (on purpose?) again. You have not vilified Nvidia dozens and dozens of times for their pricing strategies, only AMD.

 

[SirPauly]

I've never seen such strong defense of premium pricing in my posting life 'till AMD changed up here. Been posting since 1998. Place me on ignore -- my views are not going to change.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Place me on ignore -- my views are not going to change.

Maybe you should place everyone on ignore that do not buy into your flawed logic and double standards.

Anyway, the GTX 670 Ti name is being reported by many outlets, seems legit. I personally don't like the Ti, XT, XTX, SE and the like monikers I think they're dumb.

 

[Arzachel]

Maybe you should place everyone on ignore that do not buy into your flawed logic and double standards.

Anyway, the GTX 670 Ti name is being reported by many outlets, seems legit. I personally don't like the Ti, XT, XTX, SE and the like monikers I think they're dumb.

The suffix isn't that bad per se, but Nvidia does seem to try their hardest to confuse the hell out of their customers. Is a GTX560ti better than a GTX560? Is a GTX550ti better than a GTX550? Does a GTX550 even exist? What the hell is a GTX560ti 448 and why is it named like that when it's a totally different chip than all the other 560's?

 

[toyota]

The suffix isn't that bad per se, but Nvidia does seem to try their hardest to confuse the hell out of their customers. Is a GTX560ti better than a GTX560? Is a GTX550ti better than a GTX550? Does a GTX550 even exist? What the hell is a GTX560ti 448 and why is it named like that when it's a totally different chip than all the other 560's?

the people that cant figure that out probably don't know anything about other components either. these will be the same type people that "upgrade" from a 5770 to a 6770 or an 8800gt to a 9800gt and talk about how much faster their games run.

 

[SirPauly]

Maybe you should place everyone on ignore that do not buy into your flawed logic and double standards.

Anyway, the GTX 670 Ti name is being reported by many outlets, seems legit. I personally don't like the Ti, XT, XTX, SE and the like monikers I think they're dumb.

Actually the logic isn't flawed and no double standards. The points are valid and fair. What you believe about me doesn't change anything.

 

[Arzachel]

the people that cant figure that out probably don't know anything about other components either. these will be the same type people that "upgrade" from a 5770 to a 6770 or an 8800gt to a 9800gt and talk about how much faster their games run.

Most people can figure it out, but it's still Nvidia making the market more opaque and impenetrable on purpose. I'd rather avoid anything that looks like the mess that are laptop GPU's.

Also, you'd be surprised how many people that are quite knowledgeable about hardware in general but weren't paying attention to GPU's too closely fell for the GTX460SE.

 

[SirPauly]

The suffix isn't that bad per se, but Nvidia does seem to try their hardest to confuse the hell out of their customers. Is a GTX560ti better than a GTX560? Is a GTX550ti better than a GTX550? Does a GTX550 even exist? What the hell is a GTX560ti 448 and why is it named like that when it's a totally different chip than all the other 560's?

Maybe the TI moniker was used based on the GTX 560 TI 448 price-point was in the sweet spot MSRP territory with the 5XX series.

 

[SirPauly]

Most people can figure it out, but it's still Nvidia making the market more opaque and impenetrable on purpose. I'd rather avoid anything that looks like the mess that are laptop GPU's.

Also, you'd be surprised how many people that are quite knowledgeable about hardware in general but weren't paying attention to GPU's too closely fell for the GTX460SE.

Who or whom are these people?

 

[Arzachel]

Who or whom are these people?

A guy I know, he had a sweet overclocked Celeron back in the days of p2, wanted an inexpensive upgrade from his 8800GTS after he got a new monitor. Lots of people recommended the GTX460. He found out he'd gotten the wrong one after some games performed worse than expected and a quick trip to the internet later.

An anecdote, true, but I'd consider the person in question quite tech-savvy.

 

[rgallant]

-lets see if I have this correct
-amd release a 7970 @ 550ish bad buy per posts
-cheaper than a 580 3gb [evga] that is selling like hot cakes
-the 7970 can be 30% faster than the gtx 580 ,but amd is too expensive?
-a dream card with 2\3's the vram coming in @ unknown speed and unknown price is the winner.
will go back and read the post again ,must have missed something.

 

[SirPauly]

What it is to me, is more choice is welcomed for enthusiasts, considering the only single GPU choice in these price-points was a 14+month old, premium priced, 40nm sku. More choice is welcomed obviously but let's see how well these AMD sku's stand up to 28nm competition.

 

[Meghan54]

Actually the logic isn't flawed and no double standards. The points are valid and fair. What you believe about me doesn't change anything.

So that means you railed against the 480/580 prices when they were introduced, too, right?

 

[tviceman]

NDA's are being confirmed from several sources now, the card's name is all but confirmed. Going with the TI-moniker makes me believe that this card will have better performance against the competition than their previous gtx x70 cards. A decent price launch, and this chip will make AMD's new found "predator" strategy look like Nvidia did when they released the gtx280/gtx260 a $100 too high.

 

[notty22]

Lot of sites running the story and attributing swedish o/c's and AIB as sources.
NVIDIA GK104 Due in March Branded as GeForce GTX 670 Ti

As rumors suggested, GK104 will pack 1536 CUDA cores, 128 texture units and 32 ROPs. In addition, it features core frequency of 950MHz-1050MHz, 2GB GDDR5 memory with memory interface of 256-bit, as well as TDP of 225W. The pricing will be set around US$299, and its performance is expected to be higher than that of GTX 580 and HD 7950.

It will be an exciting time if it rolls in for 299.99 and does the above. And can o/c !
A trifecta !

 

[Grooveriding]

NDA's are being confirmed from several sources now, the card's name is all but confirmed. Going with the TI-moniker makes me believe that this card will have better performance against the competition than their previous gtx x70 cards. A decent price launch, and this chip will make AMD's new found "predator" strategy look like Nvidia did when they released the gtx280/gtx260 a $100 too high.

I think you are half right. Everything I have read says it is $399. I think the 7950 will see a price drop but $400 is close enough to $550 that the 7970 will keep its price with its fastest single GPU position. So no $300 card faster or as fast as a 7970

For the forums sake I wish the cards were not so close. Less flamewars when there is a clear boss. Going to be much bickering over the 670, 7950 and overclocking, features, drivers etc.

 

[tviceman]

Lot of sites running the story and attributing swedish o/c's and AIB as sources.
NVIDIA GK104 Due in March Branded as GeForce GTX 670 Ti



It will be an exciting time if it rolls in for 299.99 and does the above. And can o/c !
A trifecta !

I still don't believe the TDP will end up that high, if it does then I think it will perform neck and neck with the hd7970. We shall find out soon enough.