[vrzone] GTX670Ti in March

[tviceman]

I think you are half right. Everything I have read says it is $399. I think the 7950 will see a price drop but $400 is close enough to $550 that the 7970 will keep its price with its fastest single GPU position. So no $300 card faster or as fast as a 7970

For the forums sake I wish the cards were not so close. Less flamewars when there is a clear boss. Going to be much bickering over the 670, 7950 and overclocking, features, drivers etc.

$399 and I lose the fun little bet I have with blackend23. But I'd happily lose the bet if the performance at $399 makes the hd7970 at $550 look worse than the gtx280 at $600.

 

[SirPauly]

So that means you railed against the 480/580 prices when they were introduced, too, right?

Not really because there wasn't any strong defense of premium pricing based on there were the GTX 470, HD 5870, HD 5850, HD 6970, HD 6950 and GTX 570 sku's that all provided strong price/performance and value in comparison to the GTX 480 and GTX 580.

What I did hear was strong vocal support for strong performance/value over-all.

 

[chimaxi83]

For the forums sake I wish the cards were not so close. Less flamewars when there is a clear boss. Going to be much bickering over the 670, 7950 and overclocking, features, drivers etc.

Not to mention financial analysis, ethics discussions, historical price comparisons, included accessories in the box, hell I wouldn't be surprised if PCB color started to get picked on too lol... anything the losing side can get their hands on.

 

[thilanliyan]

I've never seen such strong defense of premium pricing in my posting life 'till AMD changed up here. Been posting since 1998. Place me on ignore -- my views are not going to change.

You're seeing people defending the pricing (me included) because there are MANY people whining about it. I certainly don't remember this much backlash over the pricing of nV's top cards...maybe it's because people are used to nV charging a premium, but not AMD?

AMD's "value" pricing only started with the 4870 I believe...before that you paid top dollar for their top cards too. Why whine about it now that they've gone back to more nvidia-like pricing? I can't blame AMD for it (they have the top card so why not charge a premium like nV does), and I sure as heck have never complained about the pricing of any of nVidia's top cards (heck I bought a 8800GTS 640 for $600 once upon a time). Cards were only going to get more expensive, not cheaper, especially considering the die process tech troubles that TSMC have had.

 

[SirPauly]

Can't be more clear when I offer it is still a win-win for company and consumer. Some posters are really sensitive and need to defend if someone offers AMD softened their commitment to the sweet spot. You should hear the venom personal shots from some how this is considered AMD Bashing and somehow a cheap shot -- when it is actually accurate.

 

[blackened23]

$399 and I lose the fun little bet I have with blackend23. But I'd happily lose the bet if the performance at $399 makes the hd7970 at $550 look worse than the gtx280 at $600.

If I lose its all good Even if the GK104 doesn't have top tier performance but lowers prices, that sounds good to me. I'll hook you up with Alan Wake, awesome game.

 

[tviceman]

If I lose its all good Even if the GK104 doesn't have top tier performance but lowers prices, that sounds good to me. I'll hook you up with Alan Wake, awesome game.

I already bought it. What do you want?

 

[blackened23]

I already bought it. What do you want?

mmmmm I hear trine 2 is pretty good, I need to check that one out sometime. Hopefully these things get released in the first couple of weeks in March.

 

[SirPauly]

Little side bets to see what may happen is much better than repeating oneself over and over from both sides. Good Idea!

 

[AnandThenMan]

...AMD softened their commitment to the sweet spot.

More level headed, knowledgeable people would say AMD is adapting, adjusting, responding to market conditions and competition. Being "soft" would be for AMD to NOT take advantage of their leadership position.

If Nvidia comes out with a "sweet spot" card then can we say Nvidia has softened their commitment to profits?

 

[blackened23]

Little side bets to see what may happen is much better than repeating oneself over and over from both sides. Good Idea!

Sounds good to me, you vs grooveriding?

 

[wahdangun]

If I lose its all good Even if the GK104 doesn't have top tier performance but lowers prices, that sounds good to me. I'll hook you up with Alan Wake, awesome game.

I already bought it. What do you want?

awe you guys,

seriously that the spirit, i hate seeing about price bickering among fanboys anymore.


btw is there really no leaked die shoot ?

 

[SirPauly]

More level headed, knowledgeable people would say AMD is adapting, adjusting, responding to market conditions and competition. Being "soft" would be for AMD to NOT take advantage of their leadership position.

If Nvidia comes out with a "sweet spot" card then can we say Nvidia has softened their commitment to profits?

And I raised all those points as well. But ya can't cherry pick just one side to me. It's about a total discussion with the pros and cons. They're fair points and belong in the discussion to me. You may disagree and that is okay.

 

[tviceman]

mmmmm I hear trine 2 is pretty good, I need to check that one out sometime. Hopefully these things get released in the first couple of weeks in March.

Trine 2 is good! Nice choice! PM me your steam ID.

 

[Subyman]

You're seeing people defending the pricing (me included) because there are MANY people whining about it. I certainly don't remember this much backlash over the pricing of nV's top cards...maybe it's because people are used to nV charging a premium, but not AMD?

AMD's "value" pricing only started with the 4870 I believe...before that you paid top dollar for their top cards too. Why whine about it now that they've gone back to more nvidia-like pricing? I can't blame AMD for it (they have the top card so why not charge a premium like nV does), and I sure as heck have never complained about the pricing of any of nVidia's top cards (heck I bought a 8800GTS 640 for $600 once upon a time). Cards were only going to get more expensive, not cheaper, especially considering the die process tech troubles that TSMC have had.

I think the whining would be less if the 7970 totally stomped last gen, however it is around 20-25% faster than the 580GTX and priced 20-25% higher than the 580GTX. That means we are playing prices based on last gen performance. I mean, look at the 7950. 460 bucks for a marginal increase over a 580gtx.

Back when single die GPU flagships were priced extremely high, they totally obliterated the competition. I'm not saying the 7970 is a bad card, not at all. I'm also not saying the 7970 isn't priced according to market value, supply/demand, blah blah, however the fire isn't there that the flagships used to ignite. I'm okay with an unobtainable card (for most people) as long as it is totally kick ass.

This gen didn't bring the excitement of previous gens, so the traditionally high pricing of the flagship isn't getting a free pass this time around.

 

[AnandThenMan]

And I raised all those points as well. But ya can't cherry pick just one side to me. It's about a total discussion with the pros and cons. They're fair points and belong in the discussion to me. You may disagree and that is okay.

Do you ever answer a question directly?

Answer this question directly. If the GTX670 has the same performance as the 7970, how much should it cost. Answer directly, give a number.

 

[tviceman]

Do you ever answer a question directly?

Answer this question directly. If the GTX670 has the same performance as the 7970, how much should it cost. Answer directly, give a number.

If it equals an hd7970 at 2560p and lower resolutions, I think it will and should be $399. That will be a massive price premium from Nvidia's previous middle-die pricing, so it would be a double win for Nvidia. Make AMD look stupid, price a similar sized die (with an extra 1gb of vram) $150 more than GF114's initial price and $180 more than GF104's initial price.

 

[thilanliyan]

I think the whining would be less if the 7970 totally stomped last gen, however it is around 20-25% faster than the 580GTX and priced 20-25% higher than the 580GTX. That means we are playing prices based on last gen performance. I mean, look at the 7950. 460 bucks for a marginal increase over a 580gtx.

We haven't been getting massive increases in performance lately from either side have we? Last time it happened was? G80 maybe?

That situation is NOT going to get better. IMO, cards are not going to provide massive increases in performance anymore, especially at low prices. Going smaller and smaller in the lithography is compounding the problem I think.

 

[blackened23]

If it equals an hd7970 at 2560p and lower resolutions, I think it will and should be $399. That will be a massive price premium from Nvidia's previous middle-die pricing, so it would be a double win for Nvidia. Make AMD look stupid, price a similar sized die (with an extra 1gb of vram) $150 more than GF114's initial price and $180 more than GF104's initial price.

I wonder if nvidia would start a price war in a situation like that? I remember news from a couple years back, and AMD and nvidia both were price fixing I only vaguely remember that. Of course they were both taken to court and had to stop presumably. What i'm curious about is why the 500 series are the same price still, seems odd. I know a bunch of dudes that would jump at the opportunity to get 500 series cards, but they're still relatively expensive.

 

[Silverforce11]

I've been inactive past few days.. so let's wrap things up, gk104 = gtx670ti, its specs are as leaked earlier (1536 shaders, 128 TMUs, 32 ROPs and up to 2GB of GDDR5 memory paired up with a 256-bit memory interface).

Performance expected to be around gtx580 & 7950 levels. $399??

Did i miss anything?

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/26008-nvidias-gk104-now-scheduled-for-march

Some says faster than gtx580 and 7950... some say around there. Guess it depends on the benchmarks then. It's prolly clocked quite high as its the only high-end part coming out soon.

Edit2: At $299, it would be an awesome sweet card, getting ~gtx580 performance at much much less power use with probably better OC potential. At $350 it will be a good deal, but $399 is stretching it.

 

[SirPauly]

Do you ever answer a question directly?

Answer this question directly. If the GTX670 has the same performance as the 7970, how much should it cost. Answer directly, give a number.

I don't know, nVidia is going to answer that question.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I don't know, nVidia is going to answer that question.

Just as I thought, won't even answer a simple question. :hmm: Unbelievable, and comical. Funny how you sure as heck seem to know the price AMD should be at, don't you. How come you can't do the same for Nvidia? Hilarious.

My answer is, NV should price it at $449 to start, if that goes well leave it. If they need a bit of a bump in demand, drop it to $429. $399 would be an amazing value for 7970 performance IMO. Now was that so hard? edit -- if Nvidia is supply constrained then price it at the same level as AMD. Anything else would be dumb.

 

[SirPauly]

It's irrelevant what I think AMD should price their cards or nVidia. Personally desire strong performance value and would like to see the GK-104 priced at 299-349 but that's irrelevant because it's not my call.

 

[Grooveriding]

I've been inactive past few days.. so let's wrap things up, gk104 = gtx670ti, its specs are as leaked earlier (1536 shaders, 128 TMUs, 32 ROPs and up to 2GB of GDDR5 memory paired up with a 256-bit memory interface).

Performance expected to be around gtx580 & 7950 levels. $399??

Did i miss anything?

Nope, other than that it was just eight or so wasted pages of 7970 hate/envy/bitchfest.

 

[Silverforce11]

It's irrelevant what I think AMD should price their cards or nVidia. Personally desire strong performance value and would like to see the GK-104 priced at 299-349 but that's irrelevant because it's not my call.

Everyone's OPINIONs on forums are irrelevant, mine, yours, the guy next to you.. it needs not relevance, just entertainment.

I hope it will be awesome sauce at $299.