[VR-Zone] NVidia GTX-590 *FINAL* Specs Revealed!

[MentalIlness]

I think that ASUS 590 is one of the best looking cards I have ever seen.

 

[Elfear]

I think that ASUS 590 is one of the best looking cards I have ever seen.

It is a good-looking card. Prettier than the 6990. Tomorrow we'll see if it's a crownless beauty queen or the rightful ruler of all (que dramatic music and flying monkies).

 

[yottabit]

edited until I can do some more calculations

 

[yottabit]

Yeah, I see where this is going...the last thing AMD or the AIB's would want is for some dude to over-clock his GPU to the point that it causes a housefire.

The potential for loss of life as well as property loss (not that the businesses would be liable, but still no one at any company wants people to be miserable or dead because of their product) is considerable in the context of a video-card's power-supply wiring catching fire.

That's prolly why they spec them for only 150W each, giving 75W headroom to safeguard against OC'ers and the prospects of a batch of sub-standard wires and connectors making it through the supply chain and into consumer products.

Thanks for taking the time to educate me and make me just a skosh less ignorant on the topic. :thumbsup: I hope it helped others with the same question as well.

I believe even the 225 W figure has some factor of safety. I wanted to check into this so I did some of my own calculations (please don't base a build around them or risk your life on them as I'm not an electrical engineer!) with some numbers I found from around the internet

It would appear that PCI-SIG is using a 2.2 FOS which is a pretty common conservative FOS and the other figure of 225W is based on a 1.5 FOS (also common) According to these calculations both ratings should be safe, but going beyond the 1.5 FOS could be dangerous. Although these are really rough calculations, and the max power draw of the cables really is a lot closer to being a problem than I thought. If anyone who knows more about this wants to chime in I'd appreciate it!

Bear in mind the ampacity rating is mostly for the insulation of the wire burning up... it'll take a lot more to melt the wire, and then the over current protection would go off

 

[Arkadrel]

so basically we know about the 590:

Core 607-612mhz? (down from 772mhz) (-26%?)
Mem 3420mhz? (down from 4008mhz) (-17%?)
shaders 1224mhz? (down from 1544mhz) (-26%?)

memory bandwidth 164 Gb/s (down from 192 Gb/s) (-17%?)

Nvidia are useing 384bit bus giveing them 164 GB/s with the 590.
AMD are useing 256bit bus giveing them 160 GB/s with the 6990.

Theres like a 34% size differnce in their chips die... which should make the 590 a more expensive product to produce, and then end up costing more consumer wise.


Gigabytes odd choice of games in their benchmark slides, at low resolutions.. Question is if the 590 turns out to be faster than the 6990 at all.

 

[MrK6]

I believe even the 225 W figure has some factor of safety. I wanted to check into this so I did some of my own calculations (please don't base a build around them or risk your life on them as I'm not an electrical engineer!) with some numbers I found from around the internet

It would appear that PCI-SIG is using a 2.2 FOS which is a pretty common conservative FOS and the other figure of 225W is based on a 1.5 FOS (also common) According to these calculations both ratings should be safe, but going beyond the 1.5 FOS could be dangerous. Although these are really rough calculations, and the max power draw of the cables really is a lot closer to being a problem than I thought. If anyone who knows more about this wants to chime in I'd appreciate it!

Bear in mind the ampacity rating is mostly for the insulation of the wire burning up... it'll take a lot more to melt the wire, and then the over current protection would go off

Exactly, I'm glad someone else is familiar with electrical physics :thumbsup:.

Another big point to remember here is that this is a spectrum. Unless you're dealing with some artificial over-current protection, running up to or over these specifications isn't going to make your PC instantly burst into flames. As you continually push more current through these parts, you're increasing heat, inefficiency, component life, and ultimately risk for failure. There just isn't a lot of room here with the 6990. I'll be interested to see the final numbers of the 590.

 

[Raghu]

Its 150W from the 6 pin connector. Theres 75W from the PCIE x16 slot itself. Total of 225W.

 

[Minerva]

When is nvidia going to switch to display port? Three DVI connectors? D:

 

[Keysplayr]

When is nvidia going to switch to display port? Three DVI connectors? D:

Probably when it becomes mainstream or more standard. Ask eyefinity users about that headache.

 

[Red Storm]

Probably when it becomes mainstream or more standard. Ask eyefinity users about that headache.

Most new PC monitors come with DisplayPort AFAIK, and for everything else you just need the $10-$20 adapter. It's as much of a headache as having to use a DVI/HDMI adapter.

 

[Keysplayr]

Most new PC monitors come with DisplayPort AFAIK, and for everything else you just need the $10-$20 adapter. It's as much of a headache as having to use a DVI/HDMI adapter.

Is that so? Then they also come with DVI. I don't see a problem either way.

 

[Arkadrel]

http://www.techpowerup.com/142701/G...90-Exclusive-Bundle-Detailed-Benchmarked.html

Gigabyte want to launch its GeForce GTX 590 in a big way. The company prepared a special, probably limited-edition package, which it refers to as "Exclusive Bundle". Packed in an industrial-looking toolbox, Gigabyte is including its reference-design GeForce GTX 590 3072 MB graphics card, a load of cables and accessories, and a Gigabyte GHOST M8000X gaming mouse, in its complete package (including adjustable weights). Gigabyte's package looks very well made, advertising the products inside well. It kind of makes sense to pack a ultra high-end graphics card with a high-end gaming mouse. With this, Gigabyte is looking to project the GTX 590 as more of a premium gamers' product (than something you buy and put under frozen gases right away).

Gigabyte's press deck also included some benchmark results. Testing is completely internal to the company. Gigabyte is a vendor-neutral graphics card partner (it sells both GeForce and Radeon), so these numbers can be taken at face value. According to Gigabyte, the GTX 590 rocks 3DMark Vantage at low resolutions, but the gap between it and Radeon HD 6990 closes at higher resolutions. It admits that Radeon HD 6990 is a faster graphics card overall for 3DMark 11. In game tests, GTX 590 and HD 6990 trade blows with each leading the other in different game tests. If these figures are to go by, it will be a very close and interesting battle for supremacy between the GTX 590 and HD 6990. Gigabyte's GTX 590 Exclusive Bundle is priced in China at a little under US $1,150.

~1,150$ USD or more, for a 590 + mouse from Gigabyte.




OR how about this Asus 590:
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/...ducts_id=50922

goes for 1,199$ AU.

1 Australian dollar = 1.0094 U.S. dollars (incase anyone is wondering)






ps: lookat the back of the card, where it blows out hot air:


590:

6990:

 

[Keysplayr]

http://www.techpowerup.com/142701/G...90-Exclusive-Bundle-Detailed-Benchmarked.html



~1,150$ USD or more, for a 590 + mouse from Gigabyte.




OR how about this Asus 590:
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/...ducts_id=50922

goes for 1,199$ AU.

1 Australian dollar = 1.0094 U.S. dollars (incase anyone is wondering)

So what is the MSRP going to be? I mean for a standard version without special gaming mice and fancy cases? Just the regular one.

 

[Idontcare]

ps: lookat the back of the card, where it blows out hot air:


590:

I wondered about that as well. These 40nm dual-GPU cards really should have been triple-slot by default unless water-cooled IMO.

I upgraded my dual-slot cooler to a triple-slot cooler on my GTX460...it's really not the end of the world.

 

[Arkadrel]

@IDC

Yeah that 3rd DVI port... right smack in the middle... so it can cut off air flow (/_\)
That doesnt make sense to me... but what do I know.

the fan choice looks odd too, it looks like the type that blows air downards... but it needs to blow it to the sides so each of those heatsinks on the sides of it can get cooled. Maybe because of the size of the fan, it can move enough air anyways... but it seems like a odd choice.

So what is the MSRP going to be? I mean for a standard version without special gaming mice and fancy cases? Just the regular one.

No idea... I suspect part of the reason the price is so high is because its new and flashy...
But yeah... doubt they ll sell cheaper than a 6990, which is most likely gonna out performan the 590.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Most new PC monitors come with DisplayPort AFAIK, and for everything else you just need the $10-$20 adapter. It's as much of a headache as having to use a DVI/HDMI adapter.

Yea, I'm kind of surprised this ultra highend part doesn't have that. Even the Intel graphics based laptops we deploy at work all have display port (Elitebook 8440P's). It would probably get rid of that awkwardly placed DVI port if they used display port or more HDMI.

I'm sure they have their reasons... but I can't help but think even HDMI ports would have made more sense. < shrug >

 

[notty22]

They will all be dual link dvi, so thats support for 3 - 2560x1600 monitors.
The reference gtx 580 has 2 dual link DVI connectors, Mini HDMI

The reference 6970 uses 1 single link dvi and 1 dual link dvi. Handy to know if you find someone who can't get higher than 1920x1080 resoltuion out of their 'dvi' connection.

Display Outputs
The AMD Radeon HD 6900 series feature five outputs, offering four display eyefinity with a maximum of two non-displayport connections (DVI/HDMI). There are two DVI ports, one dual link and one single link. The lower DVI port, closest to the PCB is the single link port that supports the use of DVI-VGA adapters, and a maximum resolution of 1920x1200 at 60Hz. The dual link DVI output supports displays up to 2560x1600 at 60Hz. A HDMI 1.4a port is also included, and the Sapphire bundle includes a HDMI 1.4 cable. Two mini DisplayPort outputs are located next to the HDMI output, supporting the 1.2 specification. The configuration provides Eyefinity support for up to 4 displays, at 1920x1200 resolution each, using any two digital outputs plus the two display port outputs. Eyefinity 6 is supported with the use of DisplayPort 1.2 displays that are daisy-chain capable, or multi-stream hubs. Unfortunately, neither are available for purchase yet.
http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/amd_hd6970_hd6950_launch_review/index.php?p=3

 

[yottabit]

Its 150W from the 6 pin connector. Theres 75W from the PCIE x16 slot itself. Total of 225W.

A 6 pin connector is spec'd for 75 W, 8 pin for 150 W, I was talking about the "unofficial" maximum rating of the 8 pin that was floating around at 225 W and examining the FOS of the rating of the 8 pin connectors

 

[Grooveriding]

http://www.techpowerup.com/142701/G...90-Exclusive-Bundle-Detailed-Benchmarked.html

~1,150$ USD or more, for a 590 + mouse from Gigabyte.

lol

This card can't be selling for that much, it would be a death sentence.

A Canadian retailer had it listed early and it was going for $800. Considering the 6990 is $700, it's still overpriced @ $800, but the card will at least sell at that price point.

Only a maroon would buy this card for $1150.

 

[MentalIlness]

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/22209-nvidia-drops-gtx-590-pricing

Nvidia drops GTX 590 pricing

To launch at US $699/€649

We already heard a couple of rumours regarding the price of the upcoming Nvidia Geforce GTX 590 dual-GPU card that was originally planed to be launched at around €749 or so depending on the region, but we restrained ourselves due to the fact that we also heard that there might be some last minute adjustments to the price. It looks like our sources were spot on with that info as the new price, or to be precise, the real launch price will be set at US $699/€649 incl. VAT.

The price will, of course, depend on the region, retailer/e-tailer, as well as the partner, but Nvidia's price is set at €540 + VAT, which drops exactly somewhere around €649. This is of course a massive drop from the expected and earlier rumoured price. There are still no reliable leaked benchmarks and it is still left to be seen if the GTX 590 would end up faster than the competition.

Bear in mind that the Radeon HD 6990 can be picked up in Europe for as low as €550, but we'll leave our final judgement for tomorrow.

 

[MentalIlness]

lol



maroon

moron :thumbsup:

 

[SirPauly]

I think the key to DisplayPort is with version 1.2.

 

[-Slacker-]

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/22209-nvidia-drops-gtx-590-pricing

Nvidia drops GTX 590 pricing

To launch at US $699/€649

We already heard a couple of rumours regarding the price of the upcoming Nvidia Geforce GTX 590 dual-GPU card that was originally planed to be launched at around €749 or so depending on the region, but we restrained ourselves due to the fact that we also heard that there might be some last minute adjustments to the price. It looks like our sources were spot on with that info as the new price, or to be precise, the real launch price will be set at US $699/€649 incl. VAT.

The price will, of course, depend on the region, retailer/e-tailer, as well as the partner, but Nvidia's price is set at €540 + VAT, which drops exactly somewhere around €649. This is of course a massive drop from the expected and earlier rumoured price. There are still no reliable leaked benchmarks and it is still left to be seen if the GTX 590 would end up faster than the competition.

Bear in mind that the Radeon HD 6990 can be picked up in Europe for as low as €550, but we'll leave our final judgement for tomorrow.

Meh, it's fudzilla...

...But, IF that's true, then I think it would be safe to assume the gtx 590 will be slower than the hd 6990, because Nvidia always puts a large price premium on cards if they come at even a little bit faster than the competition's fastest. Even if the competing cards are neck in neck, there would still be a price premium for the nvidia brand sticker. That and the gtx 580 chips are expensive to manufacture, so they'd price the gtx 590 as high as they possibly can.

 

[Creig]

That is so weird. I've never seen a cooling port blocked in the middle by a video connector before. That thing is SMACK in the middle of the card where airflow would normally be greatest.

 

[notty22]

That is so weird. I've never seen a cooling port blocked in the middle by a video connector before. That thing is SMACK in the middle of the card where airflow would normally be greatest.

Not on this design fan, casing shroud. It vents itself all the way around, in to the case. Some will also vent that way.