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yllus

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Originally posted by: Skitzer
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: Skitzer
I chose Clinton. It makes the most sense. Think about it and mark my words ...... so mote it be.
I am no Obama fan but;

The problem with Clinton is Obama needs a VP that will play the subordanent roll to him and she is too strong thus I think they would be perceived more as co-leaders and would likely bang heads a lot, she would be making a lot decisions on her own accord etc? making for a volatile presidency.
He needs her base ..... he isn't doing as well as expected in the polls and he knows it. He needs someone more centrist and more experienced than him in foreign policy. And her being a woman and the wife of Bubba doesn't hurt either.
I guess we'll find out today ...... he's stated that he has made his choice and tomorrow is the day the VP makes their presentation at the Capital.
He doesn't need her base as much as he needs to avoid galvanizing the very large group of people in the United States who despise her. He and his handlers realize that those disaffected Clintonites will vote for Obama ten times over before they vote for any Republican.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: Skitzer
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: Skitzer
I chose Clinton. It makes the most sense. Think about it and mark my words ...... so mote it be.
I am no Obama fan but;

The problem with Clinton is Obama needs a VP that will play the subordanent roll to him and she is too strong thus I think they would be perceived more as co-leaders and would likely bang heads a lot, she would be making a lot decisions on her own accord etc? making for a volatile presidency.
He needs her base ..... he isn't doing as well as expected in the polls and he knows it. He needs someone more centrist and more experienced than him in foreign policy. And her being a woman and the wife of Bubba doesn't hurt either.
I guess we'll find out today ...... he's stated that he has made his choice and tomorrow is the day the VP makes their presentation at the Capital.
He doesn't need her base as much as he needs to avoid galvanizing the very large group of people in the United States who despise her. He and his handlers realize that those disaffected Clintonites will vote for Obama ten times over before they vote for any Republican.
Obama/Clinton is the only match-up currently thrusting Obama above the +50% threshold, though, and Hillary is currently scoring higher than Obama in a match-up vs McCain.

not that I think -- or even want -- the pair-up to happen, but I don't really see Hill being a major drag on the ticket if it did. the people who are going to come out and vote against that cold bitch wise and beautiful woman of a VP are probably just as likely to come out and vote against that muslim, terrorist-loving messianic President.
 

classy

Lifer
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I just got an email from my wife who works at a large financial company. She forwarded me the email that someone recieved that Obama has chosen VA Gov Kaine.

*Well apparently he has not chosen a running mate. She just forwarded me another email. I would assume because of where she works I am sure someone there will get the final scoop beforehand. I will pass along the info.*
 

mshan

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"that muslim, terrorist-loving messianic President"

You people? What do you mean you people... :(

 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Farang
Chet Edwards name is being thrown around now for Obama.. I'd never even heard of the guy before.
I saw that and I was saying WTH?

This guy is out in front of cameras claiming he was stealth candidate and has been vetted and will support whatever choice Obama makes etc etc?

This is turning into a circus. He needs to announce his choice ASAP.

Fern
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Socio
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Lieberman is a Dem? Last I checked he's an (I) and is scheduled to speak at the RNC
Lieberman lost the Dem primary, remember. He had to run as an indy.

But he cacuses with the Dems. I.e., he counts toward their majority etc.

They (Dem leadership) still let him keep his committee positions etc.

But for all intents and purposes, he's a Dem, and counts as one.

Fern
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: yllus
He doesn't need her base as much as he needs to avoid galvanizing the very large group of people in the United States who despise her. He and his handlers realize that those disaffected Clintonites will vote for Obama ten times over before they vote for any Republican.
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

There are a lot of polls out there (discussed constantly last night) showing between 20%-10% of Hillary supporters will NOT vote for Obama. It's not clear if they will just sit out, or vote for McCain.

However, you have influential women pols like Geralding Ferraro (sp?) running around as a guest on various cable news show claimng she puts the USA before the party and Obama hasn't shown he's up to the job. She says she's voting for McCain at this point, saying that he is qualified etc (she also accuses Obama and the MSM of anti-women treatment etc).

They are publicly warning the Obama supporters to be very respectful to Hill at the convention etc.

Fern
 

Farang

Lifer
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I wonder who this "Democratic official" is that leaked the info about Clinton never being vetted.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/opinion/22brooks.html

Hoping It?s Biden

By DAVID BROOKS
Published: August 22, 2008

Barack Obama has decided upon a vice-presidential running mate. And while I don?t know who it is as I write, for the good of the country, I hope he picked Joe Biden.

Biden?s weaknesses are on the surface. He has said a number of idiotic things over the years and, in the days following his selection, those snippets would be aired again and again.

But that won?t hurt all that much because voters are smart enough to forgive the genuine flaws of genuine people. And over the long haul, Biden provides what Obama needs:

Working-Class Roots. Biden is a lunch-bucket Democrat. His father was rich when he was young ? played polo, cavorted on yachts, drove luxury cars. But through a series of bad personal and business decisions, he was broke by the time Joe Jr. came along. They lived with their in-laws in Scranton, Pa., then moved to a dingy working-class area in Wilmington, Del. At one point, the elder Biden cleaned boilers during the week and sold pennants and knickknacks at a farmer?s market on the weekends.

His son was raised with a fierce working-class pride ? no one is better than anyone else. Once, when Joe Sr. was working for a car dealership, the owner threw a Christmas party for the staff. Just as the dancing was to begin, the owner scattered silver dollars on the floor and watched from above as the mechanics and salesmen scrambled about for them. Joe Sr. quit that job on the spot.

Even today, after serving for decades in the world?s most pompous workplace, Senator Biden retains an ostentatiously unpretentious manner. He campaigns with an army of Bidens who seem to emerge by the dozens from the old neighborhood in Scranton. He has disdain for privilege and for limousine liberals ? the mark of an honest, working-class Democrat.

Democrats in general, and Obama in particular, have trouble connecting with working-class voters, especially Catholic ones. Biden would be the bridge.

Honesty. Biden?s most notorious feature is his mouth. But in his youth, he had a stutter. As a freshman in high school he was exempted from public speaking because of his disability, and was ridiculed by teachers and peers. His nickname was Dash, because of his inability to finish a sentence.

He developed an odd smile as a way to relax his facial muscles (it still shows up while he?s speaking today) and he?s spent his adulthood making up for any comments that may have gone unmade during his youth.

Today, Biden?s conversational style is tiresome to some, but it has one outstanding feature. He is direct. No matter who you are, he tells you exactly what he thinks, before he tells it to you a second, third and fourth time.

Presidents need someone who will be relentlessly direct. Obama, who attracts worshippers, not just staff members, needs that more than most.

Loyalty. Just after Biden was elected to the senate in 1972, his wife, Neilia, and daughter Naomi were killed in a car crash. His career has also been marked by lesser crises. His first presidential run ended in a plagiarism scandal. He nearly died of a brain aneurism.

New administrations are dominated by the young and the arrogant, and benefit from the presence of those who have been through the worst and who have a tinge of perspective. Moreover, there are moments when a president has to go into the cabinet room and announce a decision that nearly everyone else on his team disagrees with. In those moments, he needs a vice president who will provide absolute support. That sort of loyalty comes easiest to people who have been down themselves, and who had to rely on others in their own moments of need.

Experience. When Obama talks about postpartisanship, he talks about a grass-roots movement that will arise and sweep away the old ways of Washington. When John McCain talks about it, he describes a meeting of wise old heads who get together to craft compromises. Obama?s vision is more romantic, but McCain?s is more realistic.

When Biden was a young senator, he was mentored by Hubert Humphrey, Mike Mansfield and the like. He was schooled in senatorial procedure in the days when the Senate was less gridlocked. If Obama hopes to pass energy and health care legislation, he?s going to need someone with that kind of legislative knowledge who can bring the battered old senators together, as in days of yore.

There are other veep choices. Tim Kaine seems like a solid man, but selecting him would be disastrous. It would underline all the anxieties voters have about youth and inexperience. Evan Bayh has impeccably centrist credentials, but the country is not in the mood for dispassionate caution.

Biden?s the one. The only question is whether Obama was wise and self-aware enough to know that.
 

Farang

Lifer
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I thought Biden came out and said he wasn't it. I would like that, though, he was my first pick for president. He seemed like a great candidate too but I think it is just because the newness of a viable woman and black man pushed him to the side.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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Originally posted by: Farang
I thought Biden came out and said he wasn't it. I would like that, though, he was my first pick for president. He seemed like a great candidate too but I think it is just because the newness of a viable woman and black man pushed him to the side.
I agree 100%. I've got a mancrush on Biden... Obama/Biden would remove pretty much any of my hesitance in wholeheartedly supporting Barack.
 

Lemon law

Lifer
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With all due respects to Brooks, I think Biden is too brash and cocky. I am hoping for someone equally persuasive but less keyed up. I really like Tim Kaine, but its still an Obama decision. There are many pro's and cons for any on the Obama short list. Like everyone else, I will wait for Obama to choose.

On the GOP side, there are many choices McCain might make to really alienate me, but in some ways I like the pragmatism of Huckabee. But again, its a McCain decision also.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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Obama/Chet Edwards would make me pretty uneasy... picking the guy pushed by Nancy Pelosi would raise all kinds of red flags for me.
 

sportage

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I still think its going to be Clinton. The "dream ticket".
But this is like a firmware update. Everyone cries, yells, yearns
for its release. Then as soon as it is released, they cry, yell, yearn for the next update.
Never happy...

Just maybe Obama's firmware VP update isnt going to satisify anyone.
Then there is Mccain's. Or is he getting a whole new CPU instead?
 

Socio

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May 19, 2002
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A company, which specializes in political literature may have let Obama?s VP cat out of its bag:

Bumper Sticker Could Indicate Obama's Veep

LENEXA, Kan. -- After weeks of speculation and days of intense rumors, the answer to who Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama would name as his running mate may have come down to a bumper sticker printed in Lenexa.
 

bdude

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Originally posted by: Socio
A company, which specializes in political literature may have let Obama?s VP cat out of its bag:

Bumper Sticker Could Indicate Obama's Veep

LENEXA, Kan. -- After weeks of speculation and days of intense rumors, the answer to who Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama would name as his running mate may have come down to a bumper sticker printed in Lenexa.
Nope, VP is Biden
 

Socio

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May 19, 2002
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Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: Socio
A company, which specializes in political literature may have let Obama?s VP cat out of its bag:

Bumper Sticker Could Indicate Obama's Veep

LENEXA, Kan. -- After weeks of speculation and days of intense rumors, the answer to who Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama would name as his running mate may have come down to a bumper sticker printed in Lenexa.
Nope, VP is Biden
Then why would this company waste time and money producing this material?

Word leaked out about the material as it was being printed up by Gill Studios of Lenexa.
 

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