VP Debate signs HaHa

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First they had the classic camera technique of cramming everyone into a very small space but when the camera panned out it looked very silly
I saw some funny signs like:
Hillary never e-mailed me back
Some Pepe the frog image with Mexican's!
Feel the Johnson
 

nageov3t

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I can't wait, this is going to be the most important and consequential VP debate in the past four years.

(side note, I'm really hoping Kaine finds a way to bring up Pence's bill that requires women who have abortions or miscarriages to hold funerals for their fetuses)
 

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The interesting thing about this debate is that you have two guys that really have fairly conservative views on abortion. But one will defer to government and abide by laws and the other wants to control government and ram his views down voters throats via laws.

Pence is fucking terrifying with his views.
 

KMFJD

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I can't wait, this is going to be the most important and consequential VP debate in the past four years.

(side note, I'm really hoping Kaine finds a way to bring up Pence's bill that requires women who have abortions or miscarriages to hold funerals for their fetuses)

what the fuck
 

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what the fuck

Yup.

I'm going to post something from a Reddit user (VROF) who lived in Indiana...

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/55rwwp/indiana_gov_mike_pence_signed_a_law_this_year/

Pence got the endorsement from the much-liked former Republican governor Mitch Daniels (now president of Purdue) basically with the promise that he wouldn't pursue a social agenda. Mitch Daniels was liked because he focused almost exclusively on the economy and government efficiency. He gave no fucks about social issues, and it was implied that Pence, as the successor of Daniels, would set aside the social dogmas that he was known for and govern a state that was on a very good path, economically, after Mitch Daniels' two terms.

He didn't do that.

From day one, Pence didn't govern--he played national GOP politics. Whatever the big firey debate of the day was among the national GOP, he grabbed ahold of it and pretended to be its conservative crusader, even if it had absolutely zero relevance to the state of Indiana. He spent time, money, and resources on championing issues that Hoosiers didn't care about or didn't support, because he wanted to pander to the National GOP's ultra conservative base for his future career. Essentially, he was using Indiana as a stepping stone. He never cared about being governor. He always had higher aspirations, and the governorship was a stepping stone to a higher federal office. Most Hoosiers, left or right on the political spectrum, espouse this opinion about him.

As I said before, Mitch Daniels literally gave no fucks about social issues. Indiana is generally a conservative state, but it's never been a state particularly hung up on social issues, and it's never been a state that follows the national GOP's social platform. Indiana has, for as long as I've been alive, been a business Republican state--politicians like the Bushes, Mitt Romney, etc. We voted Obama into office, and prior to Mitch Daniels in 2005, we had 16 straight years of Democratic governorship. Indianapolis, the capital and largest city in the state, routinely switched between Republican and Democrat mayors, and it has managed to have long-term plans and continue its momentum regardless of which party is in office.

So Pence, with his national conservative GOP politics, has been an aberration that has directly harmed Indiana's image and its pocket book.

In the three years since Pence took office, he:

  • Pushed through legislation making harsher penalties for drug crimes against the protests of numerous major legal organizations including the Indiana Bar Association, as well as most Hoosiers

  • Inherited a phenomenal state balance sheet from Mitch Daniels and used it as an excuse to push tax cuts so extreme (would have caused a tremendous deficit) that the Republican-controlled Congress shut him down

  • Tried and failed to amend the Indiana constitution to ban gay marriage, despite widespread polling that showed that Hoosiers didn't support it, and despite the vociferous condemnation of virtually every major business in the state

  • Since his gay marriage amendment failed, he literally, as payback (not exaggerating, the signing ceremony was invite only, no media was allowed or invited, but someone leaked a picture that showed Pence surrounded by well-known anti-LGBT extremists), came back with the Religious Freedom Restoration Act which was a genuine political circus. It humiliated Indiana on the national stage, directly harmed Indianapolis, and was met with, perhaps, the fiercest backlash by the people of any state in the Union. The extraordinary protests of Hoosiers and businesses allowed the state GOP leaders to basically coerce--to his visible chagrin--Pence to amend the law and "fix it" (this was actually the front page of the biggest newspaper in Indiana).

  • The RFRA was such a debacle that Pence ended up hiring an expensive out-of-state public relations firm to heal Indiana's national image. He couldn't answer why he chose an out-of-state firm. He couldn't answer why he chose such an expensive firm, when there are many firms in Indiana that could have done the job. It was eventually canceled, and was yet another waste of taxpayer money. To date, the RFRA has cost Indianapolis (a city that fought against it, changed the official tourism website to rainbow colors, and hung a huge rainbow banner at the airport) $60 million, and the total cost--to the economy and reputation--to the rest of the state is unknown.

  • During the gay marriage supreme court fight, he literally sent the Indiana attorney general to other states to advise them on how to craft their laws and fight gay marriage nationally. He did this on the taxpayer dollar. He continued to spend taxpayer money fighting gay marriage in the courts and with lawsuits despite, at the time, everyone knowing what the Supreme Court decision was going to be. It was basically a political stand by Pence; an expensive political stand that Hoosiers didn't support.

  • He fought to pass a law preventing cities from passing their own minimum wage statutes. Is this "small government"?

  • He has acted like a strongman (think Turkey's Erdoğan), doing everything in his power to make Glenda Ritz, the state superintendent and an elected official, quit her job, and barring that, stripping her of the power given to her by the Indiana constitute and the Hoosiers that elected her through backroom deals, conspiracy, and highly technical legal challenges. Just Google "Mike Pence Glenda Ritz." You could write a thesis on it.

  • Everyone, literally everyone, was on board for receiving a huge federal grant for preschool funding. The Indiana Department of Education was literally in the final stages of the application process--and the federal government was happy with Indiana and going to give us an especially large chunk of money--when Pence came in and shut it down for no reason because accepting money from the feds became politically untenable among the national GOP tea partier crowd. And, of course, you can't be elected president--Pence's eyes were always on the future--without support from the GOP's far right base. After shutting down the process, he has recently been opining that it would be a good idea to get federal money to fund preschools... A year after he shit all over the Dept of Education's proposal to do just that.

  • The HIV epidemic in southern Indiana is out of control and among the worst in the country. Of course, we could provide free needles for heroin addicts like has been done in many states to curb HIV problems, but that is politically repugnant to Mike Pence. He also managed to get the Planned Parenthoods in that part of the state shut down, eliminating the opportunity for poor people to get tested. The HIV epidemic, which never had to be an epidemic, continues, and Pence gets to push the problem on our future governor as he goes to join Trump on the national stage.

  • Speaking of Planned Parenthood, Pence is highly proud of his accomplishment at passing the single most restrictive abortion law since Roe vs Wade. The law, HEA 1337 is far stricter than anything even in the Deep South and is almost certainly unconstitutional. He knows that it's probably unconstitutional. Nevertheless, Indiana taxpayers will spend millions of dollars for our attorney general to fight the law all the way to the Supreme Court, just so Pence could make his political statement.

  • He literally tried to make a state-run news agency that he would then give exclusive interviews and access to. I don't even know if that's legal, but he tried to do it and was promptly crucified by the media and even his own party.

  • He asserted authority to ban Syrian refugees from being settled in Indiana. He has no authority. No governor has. He knew that, but he was planning to be a GOP presidential candidate, and he needed to show that he was strong and anti-Muslim refugee to appease the national GOP base. He took leadership role in this discriminatory crusade, appearing on national TV to preach his ignorance. This particular event managed to throw multiple refugee settlement organizations into disarray--which, by the way, actually include the Catholic Church of Indiana (the arch bishop of Indianapolis publicly criticized the governor)--and several Syrian refugees which were well into the process of moving to Indiana had to be relocated to another state. Pence didn't back down until the courts affirmed that his order was unconstitutional.

  • He shut down a highly successful energy efficiency program--one of the first in the nation, making Indiana a trailblazer--initiated by the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission with the support of previous governor Mitch Daniels. He did this for no good reason, other than to signal to his far-right constituents that he was fighting against Obama's evil despotic EPA.
This is all just in his three years in office. He is reviled across the state, and especially so in Indianapolis. There is (was--now that he's the VP nominee, he can no longer be governor) a bipartisan Pence Must Go campaign to get rid of him, and there are literally billboards and yard signs plastered all over the city. Pence is, by virtually all objective measures, one of the worst governors in recent Indiana history, at least in terms of working for the benefit of the state. He has basically focused on far-right Christian social conservative interests to the clear detriment of all else, most importantly the current and future well-being of the state's reputation and economy.
 

zinfamous

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lol. This guy is some sort of Disney Villain.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had some bill to collect stray puppies and turn them into food for homeless shelters....or maybe turn homeless people into food for hospitals.
 

UglyCasanova

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I can't wait, this is going to be the most important and consequential VP debate in the past four years.

(side note, I'm really hoping Kaine finds a way to bring up Pence's bill that requires women who have abortions or miscarriages to hold funerals for their fetuses)


This sounds too fanciful to be true, you being serious? If so frick him, what a disgusting viewpoint to have.
 

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This sounds too fanciful to be true, you being serious? If so frick him, what a disgusting viewpoint to have.

Yup, nothing says "Happy miscarriage!" like throwing a funeral for your dead baby. The party of personal responsibility here.
 

Jaskalas

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I'm really hoping Kaine finds a way to bring up Pence's bill that requires women who have abortions or miscarriages to hold funerals for their fetuses

You call that a side note?
That demonstrates pure (religious?) zealotry.
 

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And a friendly reminder: it's known that Trump would delegate most real responsibility to Pence, so it's a nasty one-two combo: you get the incompetent, hot-tempered Trump as the face of the country, but have to deal with a regressive like Pence running the show.
 

Texashiker

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Pence is fucking terrifying with his views.

Abortion is no different than any other form of genocide. Society must stop the murder of innocent children.

The world dropped the ball on native americans, german jews, russian jews, native Australiaians,,,, etc. But for some reason killing unborn children is ok?

Just as with any other form of genocide society devalues the life of the unborn child to justify killing it.

Pence is right on his views. Taking a life of an innocent person is murder.
 

dank69

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Abortion is no different than any other form of genocide. Society must stop the murder of innocent children.

The world dropped the ball on native americans, german jews, russian jews, native Australiaians,,,, etc. But for some reason killing unborn children is ok?

Just as with any other form of genocide society devalues the life of the unborn child to justify killing it.

Pence is right on his views. Taking a life of an innocent person is murder.
What about miscarriages, chump?
 

nageov3t

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Abortion is no different than any other form of genocide. Society must stop the murder of innocent children.

The world dropped the ball on native americans, german jews, russian jews, native Australiaians,,,, etc. But for some reason killing unborn children is ok?

Just as with any other form of genocide society devalues the life of the unborn child to justify killing it.

Pence is right on his views. Taking a life of an innocent person is murder.
even if abortion is murder, should the government be involved in dictating how people mourn their dead? and it's just cruel that the law is worded in such a way to apply equally to both abortions and miscarriages.
 

Thump553

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Two of the biggest surprises of the Trump campaign to me are (1) it's current far-right/alt-right chairman has, to my knowledge, never made any sort of public appearance or statement since he has become chairman and (2) Pence has been successfully portrayed as a nice guy moderate who doesn't believe in attack politics. The general public outside of Indiana knows next to nothing about Pence. Hopefully that is corrected tonight.
 

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Abortion is no different than any other form of genocide. Society must stop the murder of innocent children.

The world dropped the ball on native americans, german jews, russian jews, native Australiaians,,,, etc. But for some reason killing unborn children is ok?

Just as with any other form of genocide society devalues the life of the unborn child to justify killing it.

Pence is right on his views. Taking a life of an innocent person is murder.

You know you're not going to persuade anyone here, right? And that there's a difference between being anti-abortion and feeling like you have to hide your intentions (such as disguising anti-abortion measures) or just being an asshole (forcing mothers to hold funerals for aborted fetuses)?

That's the thing that truly baffles me about right-wing religious politicians in the US... they profess to defend Christian values, but they're frequently much more cruel and deceitful than their "evil" opponents.
 

nageov3t

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lol. This guy is some sort of Disney Villain.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had some bill to collect stray puppies and turn them into food for homeless shelters....or maybe turn homeless people into food for hospitals.
I don't think it would have the same national resonance as the abortion issue, but Pence is also the guy who advocating for cutting HIV/AIDS research funding and instead using the money to fund gay conversion therapy to pray away the gay.
 

nakedfrog

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Abortion is no different than any other form of genocide. Society must stop the murder of innocent children.

The world dropped the ball on native americans, german jews, russian jews, native Australiaians,,,, etc. But for some reason killing unborn children is ok?

Just as with any other form of genocide society devalues the life of the unborn child to justify killing it.

Pence is right on his views. Taking a life of an innocent person is murder.
That word does not mean what you think it means.
Genocide:
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
If we were trying to abort ALL BABIES EVERYWHERE then maybe you'd be spot-on. But we aren't, so kindly STFU.
Pence is a piece of garbage.
 

zinfamous

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Abortion is no different than any other form of genocide. Society must stop the murder of innocent children.

The world dropped the ball on native americans, german jews, russian jews, native Australiaians,,,, etc. But for some reason killing unborn children is ok?

Just as with any other form of genocide society devalues the life of the unborn child to justify killing it.

Pence is right on his views. Taking a life of an innocent person is murder.

What's more important to you:

Getting the healthcare that you actually need (let alone, you know, a job)

or

Mandating that all women hold funerals for their miscarriages

It is fascinating, really, the topics you choose with which to focus your energy.
 

dank69

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What's more important to you:

Getting the healthcare that you actually need (let alone, you know, a job)

or

Mandating that all women hold funerals for their miscarriages

It is fascinating, really, the topics you choose with which to focus your energy.
Don't you know his lack of a job is God's punishment for not doing enough to stop abortion? Stop abortion and the jobs will flow from heaven.
 

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Abortion is no different than any other form of genocide. Society must stop the murder of innocent children.

The world dropped the ball on native americans, german jews, russian jews, native Australiaians,,,, etc. But for some reason killing unborn children is ok?

Just as with any other form of genocide society devalues the life of the unborn child to justify killing it.

Pence is right on his views. Taking a life of an innocent person is murder.

You know what *ISN'T* murder? A miscarriage. Any medical removal of a fetus that was not viable. And this asshole is further digging a dagger into a grieving woman by making it mandatory that she holds a funeral for it.
 

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Over/under on when Kaine bursts into Spanish, just because he can. He should answer any immigration questions in Spanish...

I hope he brings up Periods for Pence.

The "Periods for Pence" Facebook page wrote:

"Fertilized eggs can be expelled during a woman's period without a woman even knowing that she might have had the potential blastocyst in her. Therefore, any period could potentially be a miscarriage without knowledge. I would certainly hate for any of my fellow Hoosier women to be at risk of penalty if they do not 'properly dispose' of this or report it. Just to cover our bases, perhaps we should make sure to contact Governor Pence's office to report our periods. We wouldn't want him thinking that THOUSANDS OF HOOSIER WOMEN A DAY are trying to hide anything, would we?"

Them: "Good Morning, Governor Pence's office"
Me: "Good Morning. I just wanted to inform the Governor that things seem to be drying up today. No babies seem to be up in there. Okay?"
Them: (Sounding strangely horrified and chipper at the same time) "Ma'am, can we have your name?"
Me: "Sure. It's Sue."
Them: "And your last name?"
Me: "Magina. That's M-A-G-I-N-A. It rhymes with — "
Them: "I've got it."
*Click*
 

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That reminds me the skit from SNL Trump talking about "Yuge Jina" about how jobs are all going to "Jina"