Voter Registration forms being turned down on a technicality.

[JHoNNy1OoO]

I was watching CSPAN 2 just now and my Senator Bill Nelson here from Florida was talking about ways that the goverment is disenfranchising the vote on a minor technicality. The specific technicality he was referring to was that on the Florida registration form you have to check a box that says you are a US citizen. Voter Registration forms are getting tossed out because they don't have that box checked. The kicker is that where you sign the form it says, clear as day, that you swear under oath that you are a resident of Florida and a citizen of the United States. Plus let's assume that everyone that registers to vote is a US citizen which is exactly how it should be done and the only way to get them off is to show that they aren't a US citizen.

This isn't a partisan issue, it is a voter issue. What do you all think about declining registrations on such a minor technicality since we all assume that people that register are US citizens and are acknowledging they are when they sign the document?

 

[AFB]

No, who the hell put the stupid question on there in the first place?

 

[Witling]

I hear that Ohio is considering tossing out voter registrtion certificats that aren't on the "required" 80 lb. paper. I mention this as a rumor, I haven't bothered to check up on what someone sent me.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO
This isn't a partisan issue, it is a voter issue. What do you all think about declining registrations on such a minor technicality since we all assume that people that register are US citizens and are acknowledging they are when they sign the document?

*shrug* Rules are rules. If they allowed them, you can bet your ass that they would be questioned at a later time, post-election. This is akin to criminals beings aquitted based on the DA or the police mis-handling some seemingly-minor issue. It sucks, yeah, but that's how the system works. There's not a lot of room for common-sense in decisions now-a-days, partly, if not mostly, due to the rampant trend of the "Sue! Sue! Sue!" mentality. Every 'i' must be dotted, and every 't' crossed.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO
This isn't a partisan issue, it is a voter issue. What do you all think about declining registrations on such a minor technicality since we all assume that people that register are US citizens and are acknowledging they are when they sign the document?

*shrug* Rules are rules. If they allowed them, you can bet your ass that they would be questioned at a later time, post-election. This is akin to criminals beings aquitted based on the DA or the police mis-handling some seemingly-minor issue. It sucks, yeah, but that's how the system works. There's not a lot of room for common-sense in decisions now-a-days, partly, if not mostly, due to the rampant trend of the "Sue! Sue! Sue!" mentality. Every 'i' must be dotted, and every 't' crossed.

Rules are rules as long it's the Republicans enforcing them.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Witling
I hear that Ohio is considering tossing out voter registrtion certificats that aren't on the "required" 80 lb. paper. I mention this as a rumor, I haven't bothered to check up on what someone sent me.

It's a blue law, because the SoS of Ohio has made it possible to print off from your computer and mail it. I believe the SoS has relented on that stupidity.

 

[Moonbeam]

I say we let the Supreme Coup do the voting. We can count the hands on national TV and nobody will have any doubts.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO
This isn't a partisan issue, it is a voter issue. What do you all think about declining registrations on such a minor technicality since we all assume that people that register are US citizens and are acknowledging they are when they sign the document?

*shrug* Rules are rules. If they allowed them, you can bet your ass that they would be questioned at a later time, post-election. This is akin to criminals beings aquitted based on the DA or the police mis-handling some seemingly-minor issue. It sucks, yeah, but that's how the system works. There's not a lot of room for common-sense in decisions now-a-days, partly, if not mostly, due to the rampant trend of the "Sue! Sue! Sue!" mentality. Every 'i' must be dotted, and every 't' crossed.

You're comparing this to a criminal act which is not in any way related. I'm not arguing that rules are rules. I'm arguing a technicality that is used to toss out registrations when everything else proves that technicality wrong. I'm arguing that while the person is filing out all the information(license number, address, and sometimes SS number) and at the end sign the paper they are saying they are US citizens. That's what we all assume. When the elections office gets the registration form they check all of the personal information to make sure this person is a citizen and a resident. If the information is false they get thrown out and if the information is true they get registered.

You agree all of that info, if legal, should be thrown out because a person forgot or missed checking a box?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO
This isn't a partisan issue, it is a voter issue. What do you all think about declining registrations on such a minor technicality since we all assume that people that register are US citizens and are acknowledging they are when they sign the document?

*shrug* Rules are rules. If they allowed them, you can bet your ass that they would be questioned at a later time, post-election. This is akin to criminals beings aquitted based on the DA or the police mis-handling some seemingly-minor issue. It sucks, yeah, but that's how the system works. There's not a lot of room for common-sense in decisions now-a-days, partly, if not mostly, due to the rampant trend of the "Sue! Sue! Sue!" mentality. Every 'i' must be dotted, and every 't' crossed.

You're comparing this to a criminal act which is not in any way related. I'm not arguing that rules are rules. I'm arguing a technicality that is used to toss out registrations when everything else proves that technicality wrong. I'm arguing that while the person is filing out all the information(license number, address, and sometimes SS number) and at the end sign the paper they are saying they are US citizens. That's what we all assume. When the elections office gets the registration form they check all of the personal information to make sure this person is a citizen and a resident. If the information is false they get thrown out and if the information is true they get registered.

You agree all of that info, if legal, should be thrown out because a person forgot or missed checking a box?

I wonder how many of those unchecked boxes had addresses that were located in African-American neighborhoods?

 

[burnedout]

"Quite frankly, the outrage should be on the third-party groups that are just being so sloppy about registering voters," Roberts said. "That is where the accountability should be."

[..]

Said Pasco Elections Supervisor Kurt Browning: "Voters have to take some responsibility to make sure that form is completed.

"If it's an IRS tax return and you didn't sign it or complete every box on there, you're going to get it returned to you."

St. Petersburg Times

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: burnedout
"Quite frankly, the outrage should be on the third-party groups that are just being so sloppy about registering voters," Roberts said. "That is where the accountability should be."

[..]

Said Pasco Elections Supervisor Kurt Browning: "Voters have to take some responsibility to make sure that form is completed.

"If it's an IRS tax return and you didn't sign it or complete every box on there, you're going to get it returned to you."

St. Petersburg Times

You are also failing to understand the point being made. Your comparison to IRS boxes would be the equivalent if the IRS had a box that asked, "If you agree to pay taxes check this box?", if you were to fail to check that box they would reject your form even though by signing the form you are saying you agree to pay taxes!!! All the information is there, by signing the form you are saying you are a US citizen and a resident. The box even though it should be checked, if not checked all the information should be still legal. Like I said a technicality that shouldn't even exist.

If they are trying to curb illegal voters it's not like they wouldn't check the box anyways. This is just being anal about something that everyone assumes. When you grab and fill out that form and sign it you are saying you are a US citizen and a resident of that state. What holds more weight information with a signature or a small box? I could understand if there wasn't a signature but when a checked box takes presidence over valid information and a valid signature something is terribly wrong.

 

[lordtyranus]

If they are trying to curb illegal voters it's not like they wouldn't check the box anyways. This is just being anal about something that everyone assumes. When you grab and fill out that form and sign it you are saying you are a US citizen and a resident of that state. What holds more weight information with a signature or a small box? I could understand if there wasn't a signature but when a checked box takes presidence over valid information and a valid signature something is terribly wrong.

If you are so careless and stupid I question your ability to check the right box on voting day. Throw them out.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

If they are trying to curb illegal voters it's not like they wouldn't check the box anyways. This is just being anal about something that everyone assumes. When you grab and fill out that form and sign it you are saying you are a US citizen and a resident of that state. What holds more weight information with a signature or a small box? I could understand if there wasn't a signature but when a checked box takes presidence over valid information and a valid signature something is terribly wrong.

If you are so careless and stupid I question your ability to check the right box on voting day. Throw them out.

Now, let's say 99% of them were Republicans.... you'd be all for letting them in, wouldn't ya?

 

[Ethex]

Do they have a motor voter law? In California you get a voter registration card when you go to the DMV and change your address.

I can only assume that you want non-citizens or people not smart enough to fill out a registration card to vote

 

[dnuggett]

If you can't pay attention to directions and aren't smart enough to fill out a voter registration card correctly, why the hell should you vote?

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: Ethex
Do they have a motor voter law? In California you get a voter registration card when you go to the DMV and change your address.

I can only assume that you want non-citizens or people not smart enough to fill out a registration card to vote

They are filling out the voter registration just fine. So they are smart. All the information is there and valid but it gets thrown out because they miss one box. You're trying to tell me that you have never made a mistake on a form or missed one little detail? Problem is that this detail is proven at the bottom of the registration where the person signs right next to, "I swear under oath that I am a resident of Florida and a citizen of the United States." Of course this is not the majority but this is happening.

How does an unchecked box hold more weight than a properly filled out form with a signature? Why would someone who isn't a US citizen bother registering and not check the box? It's just so contrary it's stupid.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

I wonder how many of those unchecked boxes had addresses that were located in African-American neighborhoods?

:roll:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO

You agree all of that info, if legal, should be thrown out because a person forgot or missed checking a box?

If the rules say it must be checked, then yes.

 

[JDub02]

If you're too stupid to fill out a form correctly, you're too stupid to vote.

Rules are rules. If you don't completely fill out your tax forms, the IRS is coming after you. If you don't completely fill out your DMV forms, you ain't getting a license.

It's not hard to get another form and fill it out right.

 

[heartsurgeon]

Florida registration form you have to check a box that says you are a US citizen.

Gosh, i guess this disenfranchises foreigners who aren't enti8tled to vote anyway....what a dumbass comment. If your (liberal) base is to stupid to check the box indicating they are a citizen, that's not disenfranchisement....that's being tree-stump-stupid..

I hear that Ohio is considering tossing out voter registrtion certificats that aren't on the "required" 80 lb. paper. I mention this as a rumor, I haven't bothered to check up on what someone sent me.

Gee, the last story I heard about Ohio was that in the Cleveland area there are more registered voters than the official U.S. census indicates live in Clevland. The question isn't who is being "disenfrancihised", it's who are these phoney voters being registered?

I wonder how many of those unchecked boxes had addresses that were located in African-American neighborhoods?

Oh please....this is race-baiting..

This is all b.s. being circulated by the Democrats in "undecided" states where the votes will automatically be contested by the Democrats after the election if they lose! They're setting up public opinion to support their attempt to subvert the vote..

remember Florida?? who was in control of the vote count??..It wasn't Kathryn Harris (r), is was Democrats, including Theresa Lapore (D) who designed the "butterfly ballot"...the democrats controlled the vote count in the major population centers in Florida....

this is a replay of 2000..get over it..ALGORE lost....

 

[Ethex]

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO

Originally posted by: Ethex
Do they have a motor voter law? In California you get a voter registration card when you go to the DMV and change your address.

I can only assume that you want non-citizens or people not smart enough to fill out a registration card to vote

They are filling out the voter registration just fine. So they are smart. All the information is there and valid but it gets thrown out because they miss one box. You're trying to tell me that you have never made a mistake on a form or missed one little detail? Problem is that this detail is proven at the bottom of the registration where the person signs right next to, "I swear under oath that I am a resident of Florida and a citizen of the United States." Of course this is not the majority but this is happening.

How does an unchecked box hold more weight than a properly filled out form with a signature? Why would someone who isn't a US citizen bother registering and not check the box? It's just so contrary it's stupid.

Apparently they have not filled out the voter registration ?just fine?. You cannot say that the form is properly filled out and say they missed a box. If the form was truly properly filled out, then they neglected to place a check in the box due to their status of US citizenship. Florida does have Motor Voter Laws. Everyone with a drivers license gets a voter registration card. The way it works in California is that it is discrimination to ask if you are a citizen at the DMV. Under your assumption that you could miss the box but see the text next to where you sign, I could say you saw the box and missed the text next to the signature. I have made mistakes and missed details on forums before. I did not cry foul at the government or agency that produced the form.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Ethex

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO

Originally posted by: Ethex
Do they have a motor voter law? In California you get a voter registration card when you go to the DMV and change your address.

I can only assume that you want non-citizens or people not smart enough to fill out a registration card to vote

They are filling out the voter registration just fine. So they are smart. All the information is there and valid but it gets thrown out because they miss one box. You're trying to tell me that you have never made a mistake on a form or missed one little detail? Problem is that this detail is proven at the bottom of the registration where the person signs right next to, "I swear under oath that I am a resident of Florida and a citizen of the United States." Of course this is not the majority but this is happening.

How does an unchecked box hold more weight than a properly filled out form with a signature? Why would someone who isn't a US citizen bother registering and not check the box? It's just so contrary it's stupid.

Apparently they have not filled out the voter registration ?just fine?. You cannot say that the form is properly filled out and say they missed a box. If the form was truly properly filled out, then they neglected to place a check in the box due to their status of US citizenship. Florida does have Motor Voter Laws. Everyone with a drivers license gets a voter registration card. The way it works in California is that it is discrimination to ask if you are a citizen at the DMV. Under your assumption that you could miss the box but see the text next to where you sign, I could say you saw the box and missed the text next to the signature. I have made mistakes and missed details on forums before. I did not cry foul at the government or agency that produced the form.

I'm serious. What is the makeup of the voters in that area?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Witling
I hear that Ohio is considering tossing out voter registrtion certificats that aren't on the "required" 80 lb. paper. I mention this as a rumor, I haven't bothered to check up on what someone sent me.

ohio actually has bigger issues... several counties have more voter registration cards turned in this cycle than they have 18+ year old citizens.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Witling
I hear that Ohio is considering tossing out voter registrtion certificats that aren't on the "required" 80 lb. paper. I mention this as a rumor, I haven't bothered to check up on what someone sent me.

ohio actually has bigger issues... several counties have more voter registration cards turned in this cycle than they have 18+ year old citizens.

Probably people that didn't realize that they didn't have to register again.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Witling
I hear that Ohio is considering tossing out voter registrtion certificats that aren't on the "required" 80 lb. paper. I mention this as a rumor, I haven't bothered to check up on what someone sent me.

ohio actually has bigger issues... several counties have more voter registration cards turned in this cycle than they have 18+ year old citizens.

Probably people that didn't realize that they didn't have to register again.