Voter fraud is the biggest lie of 2012

[a777pilot]

No, the number one issue of this campaign season is the economy.

 

[Jhhnn]

Disenfranchised

I just have one thing to say about that term. If you can't be bothered to get an ID to vote, you aren't enfranchised in the first place. It's a bullshit term. Personally, I don't want people going to the polls who know absolutely nothing about what they're voting for. There are too many people like that.

I take it that you're not a Constitutional scholar, and that you can probably easily identify people who know nothing about what they're voting for from their race, color, socio-economic status and the non-possession of picture ID, right?

This guy obviously has picture ID, right?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/12/maine-gov-lepage-irs-heading-in-the-direction-of-the-gestapo/

And he clearly knows what he's talking about, huh?

Texas Repubs who demand the removal of the teaching of critical thinking skills in public schools do too, I'm sure, and they probably have picture ID, too.

When Grover Norquist compared progressive taxes to the holocaust & Steve Schwarzman said that raising capital gains taxes would be like the invasion of Poland, they knew all about the issues, ehh?

I'll bet that Wayne LaPierre has picture ID, too, even though he's a raving gun grabber conspiracy theorist...

Just to add a little irony to the picture, check out what the king of political sleaze says about Obama & the Romney campaign-

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/15/rove-accuses-obama-of-using-gutter-politics-against-romney/

 

[a777pilot]

I take it that you're not a Constitutional scholar, and that you can probably easily identify people who know nothing about what they're voting for from their race, color, socio-economic status and the non-possession of picture ID, right?

I actually agree with the above.


Just to add a little irony to the picture, check out what the king of political sleaze says about Obama & the Romney campaign-

I was so disappointed. When you said, "the king of political sleaze" I was sure you meant my brother Marine, James Carville.

 

[shira]

Disenfranchised

I just have one thing to say about that term. If you can't be bothered to get an ID to vote, you aren't enfranchised in the first place. It's a bullshit term. Personally, I don't want people going to the polls who know absolutely nothing about what they're voting for. There are too many people like that.

If this is what you really believe, then you must also be a big supporter of literacy tests. Clearly, a person's score on a literacy test correlates much more highly than the possession of an ID card with how much the person knows about the issues. Yet I'm sure you know that literacy tests were outlawed by the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Voter ID laws are a transparent, cynical, disgusting attempt to suppress voting by minorities. If "voter fraud" were really the issue, then the same bills that require voter IDs would also be providing significant funding for powerful outreach programs to ensure that qualified registered voters who don't have IDs will get their IDs. Wanna guess how many of the 24 voter ID laws have provisions to reach out to already-registered voters lacking iDs?

 

[Jhhnn]

I actually agree with the above.

Puttin' on the sheets, huh?

What's your nick over at Stormfront, anyway?

 

[Vdubchaos]

a) voting machines are build by Private Company (which btw has been struggling)
b) # of universities tried setting up audits for these machines and were rejected
c) bribery aka Lobbying is still legal (don't think this company doesn't get ANY influance)
d) your vote is worthless anyways as you are voting based on politicians lies which they will never get done anyways

d) vote with your money, it's the best form of voting as long as Lobbying is legal

 

[jackstar7]

http://www.indecisionforever.com/blog/2012/07/05/exploding-toilets-more-common-than-voter-fraud

...Actual instances of voter fraud are remarkably rare, with "13 credible cases of in-person voter impersonation" occurring between 2000 and 2010, compared to 47,000 reported UFO sighting.

As it turns out, many more Americans are impersonating Elvis than illicitly pretending to be a voter. Here are 10 other occurrences more common than voter impersonation…


1. Babies named Unique (228 during the 1990s alone)

2. Shark attacks in the US (36 in 2011)

3. People Jack Bauer personally killed in one season of the TV show 24 (38)

4. Americans crushed to death by their furniture or televisions (about 15 per year)

5. Flushmate toilets that exploded on unsuspecting Americans before being recalled by the manufacturer ("304 reports of the product bursting, resulting in property damage and 14 impact or laceration injuries")

6. Being SET ON FIRE by your doctors during surgery (at least 100 surgical fires per year)

7. People claiming "Elvis Impersonator" as their primary occupation (84,000)

8. Americans killed by lightning (441)

9. Lemonade and other child-run snack stands shut down by government officials (dozens)

10. Americans who have a favorable view of North Korea (13%)

More likely to be set on fire during surgery. So yeah, let's address this voter fraud thing with an ID waste of time and money.

 

[Jhhnn]

http://www.indecisionforever.com/blog/2012/07/05/exploding-toilets-more-common-than-voter-fraud

More likely to be set on fire during surgery. So yeah, let's address this voter fraud thing with an ID waste of time and money.

Thank you- made me laugh.

 

[CycloWizard]

Oh, so it'd require a conspiracy, huh? You'd play hell casting half a dozen votes, and your likelihood of getting busted goes up every hour the polls are open, as I've offered.

Absurd contention remains absurd, with grandiose claims & bonus conspiracy theory thrown in as a kicker.

A small group of dedicated individuals... like hundreds, maybe, and only Righties are the kind of Zealots who'd even think about risking it. I say give 'em a shot, see how many end up behind bars.

Really, you don't think political parties (either one of the big 2) could round up enough knuckledraggers to drive around and do this? You're either naive, lazy, stupid, or lying. Take your pick. My odds of getting caught are zero because poll workers are not allowed to ask for any additional information. They can do nothing if I simply hand them another card and ask for another ballot. That's your Department of Justice at work: they issued an injunction against just such things. Tell me, why would they do such a thing?

 

[fskimospy]

Really, you don't think political parties (either one of the big 2) could round up enough knuckledraggers to drive around and do this? You're either naive, lazy, stupid, or lying. Take your pick. My odds of getting caught are zero because poll workers are not allowed to ask for any additional information. They can do nothing if I simply hand them another card and ask for another ballot. That's your Department of Justice at work: they issued an injunction against just such things. Tell me, why would they do such a thing?

Ahh the old 'I don't care that there's no evidence of this happening, I swear that it could!'. Additionally if you think that someone could come in with a stack of different identities and ask for one after another you are hilariously naive. You would at a minimum be asked to leave and possibly arrested. What I've always liked though is that you guys are sure that political parties are ready, willing, and able to concoct massive conspiracies to drive around and commit in person voter fraud, but these massive conspiracies lack the ID making abilities of your local high school kid.

lol.

Where do you guys get this stuff from? It's seriously disturbing that the right has seemingly abandoned all pretenses that their arguments must be grounded in reality.

 

[CycloWizard]

You should see this report http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/

When I walk out my door, I am wide open to be struck by lightening, but it doesn't happen very often. You are asserting that voting fraudently is 1. easy and 2. it MAY be happening a lot. It isn't easy, and the incidence CAN be quantified, with data showing it happens so little that it is basically non-existent.

Concerns about officially-manipulated election fraud are valid, however. See the film, "What Happened in Ohio."

That "report" is a policy brief put out by a law professor. I can find ten others that contradict it. What's your point? The Supreme Court upheld the Indiana law, though I'm not sure about the others they mention. In any case, arguing that voter fraud is irrational presumes the individual will get caught. Currently, DoJ has prohibited Texas from catching anyone committing voter fraud, so the rationality argument (flimsy as it is) is thrown out. With no barriers in place, even if there were no fraud epidemic previously (another argument made in the brief without support), the door is now open to one. The bottom line is that now, voter fraud in Texas IS easy - trivially so. Your brief cites data analyzed post hoc, inserting an inherent bias. It's impossible to say the extent of this bias since again the authors offer no reference to sources.

edit: The one thing I will agree on is that he who counts the votes is much more important than he who casts them. That doesn't mean we should ignore the latter outright, nor am I arguing that the proposed ID laws are great. I'm really arguing that barring election officials from using common sense or any other means to prevent fraud is simply opening a door to enable it.

 

[fskimospy]

That "report" is a policy brief put out by a law professor. I can find ten others that contradict it. What's your point? The Supreme Court upheld the Indiana law, though I'm not sure about the others they mention. In any case, arguing that voter fraud is irrational presumes the individual will get caught. Currently, DoJ has prohibited Texas from catching anyone committing voter fraud, so the rationality argument (flimsy as it is) is thrown out. With no barriers in place, even if there were no fraud epidemic previously (another argument made in the brief without support), the door is now open to one. The bottom line is that now, voter fraud in Texas IS easy - trivially so. Your brief cites data analyzed post hoc, inserting an inherent bias. It's impossible to say the extent of this bias since again the authors offer no reference to sources.

Go find those ten others that contradict it then. We'll be waiting!

Your argument that the DoJ has prohibited Texas from catching anyone committing voter fraud is factually false. Please go learn more about the subject before posting further on this.

 

[a777pilot]

Puttin' on the sheets, huh?

What's your nick over at Stormfront, anyway?

I guess you did not get what I was saying. I was agreeing with you.

As for "your nick", if you mean my tactical call sign, that was and remains...Polock.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

In the world where liberals are so desperate to win elections they import voters.

There is absolutely no good reason to NOT verify someones eligibility to vote, especially when we've got 11 million illegal aliens running around America. Yet they go out of their way to fight this issue.

The Straw Man makes his appearance quite regularly here!

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

In what world is deleting non-US citizens from being able to vote, suppressing the vote?

In what world does one interpret what I said in that particular way?

 

[a777pilot]

This is what you wrote:

Both sides still have to agree to certain things, which in the end will limit Florida's ability to suppress voting.

So I say again:

In what world is deleting non-US citizens from being able to vote, suppressing the vote?

What I want In Florida as in every State is.....

1. Every US citizen, that is eligible to vote and wants to vote...to vote.

2. Every dead or fake or non-citizen and all duplicates purged from every voter list.

How is that voter suppression?

 

[zinfamous]

In what world is deleting non-US citizens from being able to vote, suppressing the vote?

perhaps I missed an earlier point of yours and maybe this comment is out of context...

...but in what world is lack of ID proof of being an alien?

 

[zinfamous]

What I want In Florida as in every State is.....

1. Every US citizen, that is eligible to vote and wants to vote...to vote.

2. Every dead or fake or non-citizen and all duplicates purged from every voter list.

How is that voter suppression?

well, being that #2 in your list happens about once/election, at most; and everyone wants #1....we pretty much already have what you want.

what's the problem?

 

[a777pilot]

well, being that #2 in your list happens about once/election, at most; and everyone wants #1....we pretty much already have what you want.

what's the problem?

Good question. If there is no great problem with voter fraud, as you say, then what could be the left's resistance to checking voter registration rolls for the dead, the fake, the non-citizen and any duplicates?

As to having a photo ID to vote, I agree, it will not solve the problems that I see. The problems are or could be solved at the registration point in the voting process. Then no one would care of one had a photo ID to vote or not.

 

[a777pilot]

perhaps I missed an earlier point of yours and maybe this comment is out of context...

...but in what world is lack of ID proof of being an alien?

It isn't, just as having a government ID is NOT proof that one IS a citizen of the USA.

 

[Jhhnn]

Really, you don't think political parties (either one of the big 2) could round up enough knuckledraggers to drive around and do this? You're either naive, lazy, stupid, or lying. Take your pick. My odds of getting caught are zero because poll workers are not allowed to ask for any additional information. They can do nothing if I simply hand them another card and ask for another ballot. That's your Department of Justice at work: they issued an injunction against just such things. Tell me, why would they do such a thing?

Utterly lame in that deliberately obtuse way righties love.

When the poll worker sees that "you" have already voted & you pull out another card with a different name, they'll give you another ballot, call the cops on their cell phone. If the cops don't arrive in time, somebody will follow you out, get the license number of your car, give that to the cops when they arrive. You can explain later.

If you're telling me that Texas law has been specifically designed to promote voter fraud of the kind you fantasize, I wouldn't disagree. If they can prove fraud, then they can use it to restrict the electorate better to their liking with photo ID. Here in Colorado, my signature has to match the one they have on file, anyway. If they don't do that in Texas, they're just begging for fraud.

Your defense of your fantasy voter fraud scenario is absurd. As usual, however, you'll defend even the lamest assertion, no matter what, because you made it, and you couldn't possibly be mistaken, ever.

 

[Jhhnn]

I guess you did not get what I was saying. I was agreeing with you.

I got it, and you weren't agreeing with me at all, but rather with Dr Pizza, whom I was ridiculing.

This is what you agreed with, a profoundly racist POV if ever there were one-

you can probably easily identify people who know nothing about what they're voting for from their race, color, socio-economic status and the non-possession of picture ID, right?

Can you identify white know-nothings in that fashion, or is it just blacks & browns? Poor people of any color? What's the tip-off, other than the color of their skin? Their manner of dress, or the way they do their hair, or what? Are they all as bigoted & ignorant as you, or more so?

Do they try to deny old white crackers the right to vote, or what?

 

[SBT810]

I'm really arguing that barring election officials from using common sense or any other means to prevent fraud is simply opening a door to enable it.

The photo ID laws that are being passed by Republican legislatures are not about using common sense. Many of them have provisions that criminalize poll workers who let anyone vote without showing the right ID. In my small town, the same poll workers work year after year, and personally know many of the elderly voters who lack drivers' licenses. Yet now this additional layer of bureacracy is burdening the process, contributing to inefficiency and disenfranchisment.

Doesn't conservatism hold that there needs to be a cost vs. benefit analysis of new laws and regulations? To add an expensive new requirement when there is not a problem with people impersonating other voters at polls, is ideologically inconsistent. There is only one reason why these laws are being passed -- to help Republicans win elections by keeping the "wrong" people from voting.

 

[a777pilot]

I got it, and you weren't agreeing with me at all, but rather with Dr Pizza, whom I was ridiculing.

This is what you agreed with, a profoundly racist POV if ever there were one-



Can you identify white know-nothings in that fashion, or is it just blacks & browns? Poor people of any color? What's the tip-off, other than the color of their skin? Their manner of dress, or the way they do their hair, or what? Are they all as bigoted & ignorant as you, or more so?

Do they try to deny old white crackers the right to vote, or what?

I would never associate myself with a statement like this...

you can probably easily identify people who know nothing about what they're voting for from their race, color, socio-economic status and the non-possession of picture ID, right?

This Dr Pizza is just wrong.

 

[OutHouse]

poll worker charged with voting 6 times in nov, along with a nun and a widower.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...half-dozen-times-in-november/?test=latestnews