Voted for Obama / Biden today, and left the GOP

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
If this isn't the "casual racism" I speak of, then I don't know what is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaxZSz3Awg

I'm a little confused here. You post a video of a bunch of racist Democrats refusing to vote for Obama as proof that the Republican party is the party of racists?

I was speaking to the inherent racism that exists in our country. Obviously there are old school southern Democrats who are racist. But overall, the south is Republican. Have you not seen who voted for Bush??

The south has woken up that the Democrats are anything but the party of racism, thus not advocating their beliefs any longer. So the south has gone to the GOP.

Racism is real in the north as well, where I live, I see it all the time. But here, the racists always were members of the GOP, while the south has slowly but surely waking up to the reality of which party is more for as they put it... "equality".. if that equality means keeping a black man out of the Presidency that is.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

You haven't seen Vic(and others) and I go at it over this issue? People here ASSume that I'm supporting McCain but I've repeatedly posted why it is I am not voting McCain. I chide people like you for voting BHO if you really were Republicans/Conservative because he stands for an opposing ideology. If you really are upset with the current crop of non-Conservative GOP members then register your vote as a protest by voting Barr or RP2. Atleast the GOP will see it as a lost vote and may move them back towards the ideals that got them elected in '94. By you people voting BHO - you don't register your protest and now the GOP may see that as people actually wanting liberalism instead of actually wanting more real Conservatism.

But then again...rage doesn't foster rational thinking... From your threads of late we can see you aren't thinking as clearly or rationally as you should and could.


You haven't even read your own thread. Vic and I got into it IN this thread.

I don't see anything wrong with what the left presents us. I think both ideas from the left and right can work, if implemented in a way that benefits the average American. I trust Obama to look out for my best interests more than the Republicans who had the past 15 years to do so.

So that's a large difference between you and me. I think ideas from the right can work, and ideas from the left.

I would've voted 3rd party this time, if I didnt feel a McCain presidency wasn't a mortal danger to my life, and the lives of my countrymen. He's out of his mind. I support not voting for him and voting 3rd party.. but honestly in this moment in our history I think it's critical that we be realistic and vote IN Barack rather than simply not vote for McCain.

Once the stakes aren't so high, as-in our lives aren't being risked and WW3 isn't being risked for all the wrong reasons, then I'll likely start voting 3rd party.

The economy is important, but I put more value on 1 life than our entire economy and all the gasoline in our cars put together so I simply can't just vote against McCain but I had to vote for Obama.

Money comes and money goes, it doesn't really matter when you get to the root of the issues. If only the Federal Reserve, who are the same guys getting bailed out could realize that, they wouldn't destroy our economy by further inflating the dollar another trillion... we all wouldn't have to starve after they naively attempt to stave off what's ahead.. the collapse of our fiat currency.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Uh... the ideology didn't fail. It wasn't followed. Just because it wasn't followed doesn't mean the ideology itself is wrong.

That's exactly what people say about communism.

No, that's what communists and communist sympathizers say about communism.

You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm afraid that so far, you lack the open mind.. because anyone of us GOPers who hasn't jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon or gone independent after the last 8 years of "conservatism", isn't thinking critically.

Pssttt... I'm not voting McCain. If you weren't so blind with rage/angst/whatever - you might have realized that.

I don't realize what you haven't stated to me. I'm not reading your mind right now chief.

But from the way you're talking, you're not doing much critical thinking, but I'm glad to hear you're not voting for McCain, for that I give you some respect as a former Republican.

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
It's like thinking in Vietnam 2.0, we can win this Vietnam. Unlike how many GOPers think that "if we'd just stayed a little bit longer!", we could've won Vietnam. There's no definition of victory, there's no exit strategy.. how do we expect to win these needless conflicts that are so ill designed?
Darn liberals keep getting in the way of vain men's attempts to reshape the world in their image.

Crack open a history book sometime. The Vietnam War was not started by a Republican President.

Yup started by the same neocons that control the Republican party today. Instead of worrying about the individual parties, why not admit that Vietnam and Iraq are both one in the same, and the wrong fights?

And if you can do that, then don't vote for McCain and don't defend him or the Bush/McCain policies.

Say what? There's nobody alive in this administration who was also in any way related to the Kennedy/Johnson years. More importantly, Vietnam was in a remote corner of the world, while Saddam's Iraq was within a stones throw of almost every major oil producing nation in the world, and he had a proven history of aggressive military action.

The only similarity is the botched strategy at the start of the wars. And the interesting thing? Liberal historians consider Kennedy and Johnson to be great men.

You're certainly entitled to try to 'teach' the GOP a lesson. The country will be saddled with Obama's permanent entitlements and Supreme Court picks at the very least, but that's the price you pay.

 

[Obsoleet]

I worded that wrong, what I meant was the same mentality that is known as neoconservatism today, or interventionism masquerading as international do-goodism is what controls the GOP today. Obviously it's not the same exact people. The left has the same problem, wanting to save all the worlds problems. But right now, I'm focused on stopping McCain, because losing more lives needlessly in wars that are spinning out of control is a bit more imperative than stopping food shipments to Darfur.

That's the problem, the right has adopted the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive WAR.. which is never a good idea especially as a pre-emptive strategy. The left seems a little more sensible, and at least seems a little more credible with their interventions. What I'm saying is, policing the world is wrong and that's the premise Bush and McCain advocate for their wars. I just simply disagree with that idea. I'm less opposed to actually helping other nations by leading by a strong example, and doing docile things such as helping to reduce the spread of AIDs in Africa or food/water shipments.

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: winnar111
You're certainly entitled to try to 'teach' the GOP a lesson. The country will be saddled with Obama's permanent entitlements and Supreme Court picks at the very least, but that's the price you pay.

If paying a bit more in taxes to ensure a child born into poverty has healthcare, then I'm sorry but that's not going to scare me away from voting for Obama. Not even close buddy.

I'll take Obama's supreme court picks that will uphold rulings like Rowe vs Wade over Bush/McCain's evangelical picks anyday.

Today we're saddled with a military industrial complex that controls our very system, and an oil industry with tremendous influence. Being "saddled" with spending money on impoverished American families rather than nation-building in Iraq to me, all while disrupting the power balance in the mideast at the same time, isn't terrifying.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: winnar111
You're certainly entitled to try to 'teach' the GOP a lesson. The country will be saddled with Obama's permanent entitlements and Supreme Court picks at the very least, but that's the price you pay.

If paying a bit more in taxes to ensure a child born into poverty has healthcare, then I'm sorry but that's not going to scare me away from voting for Obama. Not even close buddy.

I'll take Obama's supreme court picks that will uphold rulings like Rowe vs Wade over Bush/McCain's evangelical picks anyday.

Today we're saddled with a military industrial complex that controls our very system, and an oil industry with tremendous influence. Being "saddled" with spending money on impoverished American families rather than nation-building in Iraq to me, all while disrupting the power balance in the mideast at the same time, isn't terrifying.

Uh huh. On what grounds do you claim to have believed in Republican philosophies; you've basically backed everything the Democrats have thrown at the American public since the Clinton re-alignment in 1992.

Edit: just to elaborate

1. You've backed Clintons (and now Obama's) health care government programs for adults. Distract if you will about kids in poverty, but Bush has given 5x the money to SCHIP than Clinton did. Of course, why the State CHIP program isn't funded by the states is, well, odd.

2. You've backed Democratic judicial nominations. John Roberts and Sam Alito are hardly bible thumping evangelicals. You're pro Roe and more importantly, every other ridiculous decision that comes from that crowd.

3. You've bashed the Republican party as racist, or mostly racist. Never mind that Bush got ~90% of the GOP vote against Kerry, while McCain gets that same ~90% against Obama. If racists cost Obama the election, its going to be the 'Bubba' vote, or the Democrats who voted for Reagan in the 80s and Clinton in 1992. Setting aside so called racist Republicans, Obama is polling FAR behind Clinton's 370 electoral votes; which leaves 2 options. The Reagan Dems don't like Obama because he's black, or because he's liberal. You pick

4. You've backed affirmative action and racial quotas. Not to mention the Democrats (and Bush's) policy on immigration.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: winnar111
You're certainly entitled to try to 'teach' the GOP a lesson. The country will be saddled with Obama's permanent entitlements and Supreme Court picks at the very least, but that's the price you pay.

If paying a bit more in taxes to ensure a child born into poverty has healthcare, then I'm sorry but that's not going to scare me away from voting for Obama. Not even close buddy.

I'll take Obama's supreme court picks that will uphold rulings like Rowe vs Wade over Bush/McCain's evangelical picks anyday.

Today we're saddled with a military industrial complex that controls our very system, and an oil industry with tremendous influence. Being "saddled" with spending money on impoverished American families rather than nation-building in Iraq to me, all while disrupting the power balance in the mideast at the same time, isn't terrifying.

A little tax raise? They will have to come close to doubling the current tax rate to get any form of UHC. This government has already screwed up 2 health care programs in medicare and medicaid. If you really want the government to run your health care move to canada or europe. I don't want this current corupt government to have my health care in its hands.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: Balt

Basically, the GOP is now soley the religious party for evangelicals. There's nothing left for the rest of us.

Bingo.

Fact is, there are plenty of independents who WOULD support the GOP if they could still legitimately claim they were the party of fiscal responsibility.

I don't believe in injecting religion or moral authority into government so my reasons for voting Republican have evaporated.

^^ Co-signed. I would have no problem becoming a republican again if they go back to the values they once held before getting hijacked by the neocons. Fiscal responsibility, separation of church and state, and smaller government. That's all I really want from them. It's too bad the republican party decided to take in the Evangelicals as their religion of choice in order to guarantee themselves more votes.

I left the GOP this year as well but I switched to (D) to send a message. Actually, it's more like they pushed me out. I'm an agnostic and issues like embryonic stem cell research, intelligent design, sex ed, abortion, etc have completely taken over the party. Throw in the Iraq war, abysmal foreign policy, record spending/deficits, illegal wiretaps, and a inept/corrupt administration that's immune to prosecution and what do you get? The republican party of evangelicals.

The 'conservatives' in this thread are hilarious. Predictable, but funny nonetheless.

 

[TheSlamma]

I'll be early voting here in Denver on the week of Oct 20th. I'm registered unaffiliated but will be voting blue like most people here in Denver... now if only our suburbs could burn to the ground.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Ah this is a great statement that you singled out. So what seems to happen is while a party is in power, its radical members start to take over. We saw the same thing when the Democrats were in power. So now we have this presidential race and as far parties are concerned, its a lose lose situation. I would consider both candidates relatively moderate compared to their own parties.

So now we have to decide which issue is most important to us right now. Regardless if you dislike McCain, you have to admit that he's got the most military sense, which is needed to clean up the Iraq mess. Regardless if you dislike Obama, you have to admit he is better suited for the domestic front.

I don't think race will be decided based on who is the better presidential candidate. This is going to come down to who is the better VP. The VP candidates are pretty much opposites of the other party's Pres candidate.

Just because McCain was in the military does not make him an expert on war. He thought there were WMD's in Iraq. He didn't know there were rival muslim factions in Iraq. He thought the war would be quick and easy. He thought we would be greeted as liberators. He was wrong on all counts.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
The Republican ideology has utterly failed in economics. It has produced disastrous results every single time it was implemented. Disastrous results.

I disagree with part of your statement. The ideology hasn't failed. Its the party that has failed by not sticking to the ideology they have been pushing for all this time.

And that's the topic of this thread.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
And if you can do that, then don't vote for McCain and don't defend him or the Bush/McCain policies.

Hey...can you name 3 things that Obama has given a plan for that is different from GWB?

Thanks-I wont hold my breath.

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: quest55720
A little tax raise? They will have to come close to doubling the current tax rate to get any form of UHC. This government has already screwed up 2 health care programs in medicare and medicaid. If you really want the government to run your health care move to canada or europe. I don't want this current corupt government to have my health care in its hands.

We're already paying the cost of UHC, and not getting it.

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
And if you can do that, then don't vote for McCain and don't defend him or the Bush/McCain policies.

Hey...can you name 3 things that Obama has given a plan for that is different from GWB?

Thanks-I wont hold my breath.

Why not? You should. And I see what you did there.
I'm not in the mood to do your research right now if theres an official plan on every difference between GWB and Obama. If you're really that much of a lazy Republican waiting for a handout, instead of reading on your own.
There are many differences between Obama and Bush.. not so many between Bush and McCain. Values on civil liberties, shutting down Guantanamo, green energy initiatives, UHC.. there's plenty if you want to take the time to read.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: Balt

Basically, the GOP is now soley the religious party for evangelicals. There's nothing left for the rest of us.

Bingo.

Fact is, there are plenty of independents who WOULD support the GOP if they could still legitimately claim they were the party of fiscal responsibility.

I don't believe in injecting religion or moral authority into government so my reasons for voting Republican have evaporated.

^^ Co-signed. I would have no problem becoming a republican again if they go back to the values they once held before getting hijacked by the neocons. Fiscal responsibility, separation of church and state, and smaller government. That's all I really want from them. It's too bad the republican party decided to take in the Evangelicals as their religion of choice in order to guarantee themselves more votes.

I left the Democrats last year as well but I switched to (R) to send a message. Actually, it's more like they pushed me out. I'm a Christian and issues like embryonic stem cell research, intelligent design, sex ed, abortion, etc have completely taken over the party. Throw in continued support the Iraq war despite what the puppets say, abysmal foreign policy, support for record spending/deficits, illegal wiretaps, and a inept/corrupt party that's JUST as immune to prosecution and what do you get? The Democratic party talking out their ass and mouth at the same time. Although the parties are remarkably similar, the core beliefs of the Democrats are so far fetched, their outta their fucking skulls and lost touch with America.

The 'conservatives' in this thread are hilarious. Predictable, but funny nonetheless.

Funny...you and I agree on the issues but on opposite sides lol. See my bolded changes for MY belief

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
And if you can do that, then don't vote for McCain and don't defend him or the Bush/McCain policies.

Hey...can you name 3 things that Obama has given a plan for that is different from GWB?

Thanks-I wont hold my breath.

1.) Taxes
2.) Health Care
3.) Priority of Iraq/Afghanistan (war policy in general)
4.) Energy Policy
5.) Elimination of torture
6.) Global Warming

There, I gave you 6 and I'm just warming up. Any other questions?

 

[chess9]

Don't worry, you'll get screwed under Obama as well. He'll just find the right orifice.

Does anyone think things are going to get much better under Obama? I'm just hoping they don't get worse, which is why I'm voting for Obama. Under McCain, we'll all be POWs.

-Robert

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: Balt

Basically, the GOP is now soley the religious party for evangelicals. There's nothing left for the rest of us.

Bingo.

Fact is, there are plenty of independents who WOULD support the GOP if they could still legitimately claim they were the party of fiscal responsibility.

I don't believe in injecting religion or moral authority into government so my reasons for voting Republican have evaporated.

^^ Co-signed. I would have no problem becoming a republican again if they go back to the values they once held before getting hijacked by the neocons. Fiscal responsibility, separation of church and state, and smaller government. That's all I really want from them. It's too bad the republican party decided to take in the Evangelicals as their religion of choice in order to guarantee themselves more votes.

I left the Democrats last year as well but I switched to (R) to send a message. Actually, it's more like they pushed me out. I'm a Christian and issues like embryonic stem cell research, intelligent design, sex ed, abortion, etc have completely taken over the party. Throw in continued support the Iraq war despite what the puppets say, abysmal foreign policy, support for record spending/deficits, illegal wiretaps, and a inept/corrupt party that's JUST as immune to prosecution and what do you get? The Democratic party talking out their ass and mouth at the same time. Although the parties are remarkably similar, the core beliefs of the Democrats are so far fetched, their outta their fucking skulls and lost touch with America.

The 'conservatives' in this thread are hilarious. Predictable, but funny nonetheless.

Funny...you and I agree on the issues but on opposite sides lol. See my bolded changes for MY belief

You have a lot of holes in there and I don't agree with your changes. In the end, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Fox5]

From his value of civil liberties, conservative tax cuts for working Americans trying to survive in this McCain / Bush economy and reduction of interventionism in the world, Barack Obama is more conservative than John McCain.

That's the definition of a liberal right there.
See:
The French Revolution (in theory, not action)

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: Fox5

From his value of civil liberties, conservative tax cuts for working Americans trying to survive in this McCain / Bush economy and reduction of interventionism in the world, Barack Obama is more conservative than John McCain.

That's the definition of a liberal right there.
See:
The French Revolution (in theory, not action)

Low taxes, freedom and diplomacy are liberal things now? Alright sign me up for the Democratic party!!!

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
And if you can do that, then don't vote for McCain and don't defend him or the Bush/McCain policies.

Hey...can you name 3 things that Obama has given a plan for that is different from GWB?

Thanks-I wont hold my breath.

1.) Taxes
2.) Health Care
3.) Priority of Iraq/Afghanistan (war policy in general)
4.) Energy Policy
5.) Elimination of torture
6.) Global Warming

There, I gave you 6 and I'm just warming up. Any other questions?

I havent seen an actual plan to accomplish this...

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
And if you can do that, then don't vote for McCain and don't defend him or the Bush/McCain policies.

Hey...can you name 3 things that Obama has given a plan for that is different from GWB?

Thanks-I wont hold my breath.

1.) Taxes
2.) Health Care
3.) Priority of Iraq/Afghanistan (war policy in general)
4.) Energy Policy
5.) Elimination of torture
6.) Global Warming

There, I gave you 6 and I'm just warming up. Any other questions?

I havent seen an actual plan to accomplish this...

You should go look them up then, they are no secret.

Please don't tell me we're now going to devolve into semantics arguing over what constitutes a plan and what doesn't? Your original statement was meant to imply that Obama's policies would not be different than Bush's. This is clearly false, and you know it.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: Fox5

From his value of civil liberties, conservative tax cuts for working Americans trying to survive in this McCain / Bush economy and reduction of interventionism in the world, Barack Obama is more conservative than John McCain.

That's the definition of a liberal right there.
See:
The French Revolution (in theory, not action)

Low taxes, freedom and diplomacy are liberal things now? Alright sign me up for the Democratic party!!!

Civil liberties? That's classic liberalism right there.
Take out the word conservative from your conservative tax cuts and what are you left with?

Tax cuts for working Americans. That's how the roots of socialism took place in the beginning, trying to create equality between the workers and the upper class by limiting the unfair burdens on the every man.

Putting people in place based on merit and not on birth, nobility, or hierarchy? Liberal.

Reduction of interventionism in the world? Neither liberal nor conservative, but probably conservative if you had to force it somewhere. Conservatism, historically, has had a history of "fight them over there so we don't have to live with them here", however. Liberalism's track record isn't any better though, lots of wars were started by "Our new way is better, we're here to educate you!" That said, in the modern world, it's the more conservative countries that have been starting wars.

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
And if you can do that, then don't vote for McCain and don't defend him or the Bush/McCain policies.

Hey...can you name 3 things that Obama has given a plan for that is different from GWB?

Thanks-I wont hold my breath.

1.) Taxes
2.) Health Care
3.) Priority of Iraq/Afghanistan (war policy in general)
4.) Energy Policy
5.) Elimination of torture
6.) Global Warming

There, I gave you 6 and I'm just warming up. Any other questions?

I havent seen an actual plan to accomplish this...

You should go look them up then, they are no secret.

Please don't tell me we're now going to devolve into semantics arguing over what constitutes a plan and what doesn't? Your original statement was meant to imply that Obama's policies would not be different than Bush's. This is clearly false, and you know it.

That's exactly why I didn't answer him. I could tell he was clownin. There's no point to discussing if someones going to play games, word games at that.
There doesn't need to be an official plan for people to know there's going to be huge differences between an Obama and Bush Whitehouse. It's stupid to make that argument.

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: Fox5

From his value of civil liberties, conservative tax cuts for working Americans trying to survive in this McCain / Bush economy and reduction of interventionism in the world, Barack Obama is more conservative than John McCain.

That's the definition of a liberal right there.
See:
The French Revolution (in theory, not action)

Low taxes, freedom and diplomacy are liberal things now? Alright sign me up for the Democratic party!!!

Civil liberties? That's classic liberalism right there.
Take out the word conservative from your conservative tax cuts and what are you left with?

Tax cuts for working Americans. That's how the roots of socialism took place in the beginning, trying to create equality between the workers and the upper class by limiting the unfair burdens on the every man.

Putting people in place based on merit and not on birth, nobility, or hierarchy? Liberal.

Reduction of interventionism in the world? Neither liberal nor conservative, but probably conservative if you had to force it somewhere. Conservatism, historically, has had a history of "fight them over there so we don't have to live with them here", however. Liberalism's track record isn't any better though, lots of wars were started by "Our new way is better, we're here to educate you!" That said, in the modern world, it's the more conservative countries that have been starting wars.

I agree with you, my point was that I don't care if its "liberalism" or conservatism.. to me, those sorts of things make sense as far as what you described. I do think the middle class should carry the least tax burden.. honestly I believe an income tax on someone's -labor- is plain wrong at all. I think taxes should be all paid by corporations and capital gains.

It's criminal to tax a man's labor. Now someone making money off investments, then tax it as a capital gain.

But if you're exchanging hourly labor for cash, I see that as an exchange, not a gain. Therefore taxing it just doesn't seem right. You could make the argument that those who sit there playing the markets are "working", and I agree, but they aren't doing the work that physically adds true value to our society.. like keeping a global network up, maintaining servers, building bridges, the things that truly create value. Should they be making money off of investing? Yes. Should they be paying more taxes and the guys still trying to get to that point be paying no income taxes? Yes.
It would just encourage the right things in our society and I think it'd make it healthier through less resentment by the working class ect, if it was overall a better deal to do work that produced true value to society like putting out fires or policing the streets, then that's a good thing.

That's just my personal view, and I opened up a whole can of worms. But I try not to consider if an idea is coming from the left or the right. If it is a pragmatic approach to real world problems then I'm never opposed. This ideology crap is never followed through with successfully, because in the end we're all pragmatists, and real world results are best.

To be honest, socialism could work great, at least as good as capitalism has for us. It all depends how a given system is implemented, usually there's someone lurking around trying to get the upper hand so often that the systems never work as intended.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
And if you can do that, then don't vote for McCain and don't defend him or the Bush/McCain policies.

Hey...can you name 3 things that Obama has given a plan for that is different from GWB?

Thanks-I wont hold my breath.

1.) Taxes
2.) Health Care
3.) Priority of Iraq/Afghanistan (war policy in general)
4.) Energy Policy
5.) Elimination of torture
6.) Global Warming

There, I gave you 6 and I'm just warming up. Any other questions?

I havent seen an actual plan to accomplish this...

The answer is simple. Look at Bush's legacy and compare it to Obama goals.

 

[sportage]

Chalk up two more Obama early votes.
Early voting is really nifty.
People fearing problems on election day should
get out and vote NOW, if your state allows that.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: sportage
Chalk up two more Obama early votes.
Early voting is really nifty.
People fearing problems on election day should
get out and vote NOW, if your state allows that.

Absolutely. Don't show up on election day and have them tell you that you can't vote because your weight is wrong on your drivers license!