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SagaLore

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
The Republican ideology has utterly failed in economics. It has produced disastrous results every single time it was implemented. Disastrous results.

I disagree with part of your statement. The ideology hasn't failed. Its the party that has failed by not sticking to the ideology they have been pushing for all this time.
 

Duddy

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Originally posted by: ranmaniac
I wish a vote for Obama in Texas would mean something, except the last time a Democrat has won Texas was by Jimmy Carter in 1976.

I'm thinking my county will be blue come voting day. We have a large black population and there will be MANY buses picking them up and taking them to vote on that day. Also, there are WAY more Obama signs than McCain signs. A few Ron Paul signs, those always make me feel good.
 

Duddy

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
^exactly. This guy clearly has bought into the right wing stereotypes of what liberals are supposed to be like.

we might be surfing different internets... all I see is "omg McBush, McCain is the devil, he's on his death bed, etc, etc."

Yeah, and if you need proof of that go on MySpace, Facebook or Digg. :p
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Today was the first day you can vote early in Iowa, so I went to my local courthouse and voted for Barack Obama and Joe Biden. It felt great.

I left the GOP after ~8 years of being a member, I'm now an independent. As an American, I believed in the philosophies that the Republicans laid out, but they ended up making the gov't 3-4x larger than it was when Clinton was in office, they have damaged our civil liberties, started needless wars and they knew they were so.

It's a real shame Bush didn't follow through with his espoused principles in 2000.
Now he says his "first instinct" was to not bail out all of these failed banks, but in the end he's for bigger government and more intrusion in our lives than the Democrats were.

It's the Democrats trying, if anything, to reduce the waste in this bailout if it even goes through. I suppose some Republicans oppose it too, but the great leader Bush is pushing it and I've simply had enough of these clowns.

From his value of civil liberties, conservative tax cuts for working Americans trying to survive in this McCain / Bush economy and reduction of interventionism in the world, Barack Obama is more conservative than John McCain.

Right to life issues and trying to scare me into voting against the Democrats because they might make us all chip in so that impoverished children can have health coverage just isn't going to work on us.

Basically, the GOP is now soley the religious party for evangelicals. There's nothing left for the rest of us.

Due to these misgivings of conservative principles by McCain and Bush, the GOP is ideologically bankrupt. It brings me no joy to admit or proclaim that, but it needs to be said.

I hope you join me in voting for Obama / Biden. If you're a former Republican like me, and you prefer real conservatism with some sense to it, you're doing the GOP a favor in letting them know that we don't want McCain and neoconservative policies to dominate that party for the next 25 years. Which is exactly what's going to happen if he wins. Not to mention more wars and more deaths. If you do vote for him, it would be irresponsible after 5 years of constant warfare to not send your children, or yourself to fight in the wars you're endorsing for the rest of us. It's time to get out of the deluxe armchair, and follow through with your rhetoric.

Good on you! It's unfortunate you "caved in" to the liberal media propaganda rather than doing your own research for the true reasons why we went to war, why we have to sacrifice a little of our liberties to ensure our national security, and why we continue to be oil dependent from other nations.

Our economy was stable until about 2 years ago when Democrats took over congress. Liberal media always front page the President's approval rating to be one of the lowest in history, but they will not comment about a Democratic Congress whose approval rating is in a single digit!

I always believe not to believe everything I read is true and accurate, especially in this country of ours where the media is ran mostly by liberals. But there is no looking back for you now. I congratulate you for exercising your right to vote and for making a personal conviction to make a choice; instead of sitting around and hopefully someone will call you if they need you.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Jiggz
Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Today was the first day you can vote early in Iowa, so I went to my local courthouse and voted for Barack Obama and Joe Biden. It felt great.

I left the GOP after ~8 years of being a member, I'm now an independent. As an American, I believed in the philosophies that the Republicans laid out, but they ended up making the gov't 3-4x larger than it was when Clinton was in office, they have damaged our civil liberties, started needless wars and they knew they were so.

It's a real shame Bush didn't follow through with his espoused principles in 2000.
Now he says his "first instinct" was to not bail out all of these failed banks, but in the end he's for bigger government and more intrusion in our lives than the Democrats were.

It's the Democrats trying, if anything, to reduce the waste in this bailout if it even goes through. I suppose some Republicans oppose it too, but the great leader Bush is pushing it and I've simply had enough of these clowns.

From his value of civil liberties, conservative tax cuts for working Americans trying to survive in this McCain / Bush economy and reduction of interventionism in the world, Barack Obama is more conservative than John McCain.

Right to life issues and trying to scare me into voting against the Democrats because they might make us all chip in so that impoverished children can have health coverage just isn't going to work on us.

Basically, the GOP is now soley the religious party for evangelicals. There's nothing left for the rest of us.

Due to these misgivings of conservative principles by McCain and Bush, the GOP is ideologically bankrupt. It brings me no joy to admit or proclaim that, but it needs to be said.

I hope you join me in voting for Obama / Biden. If you're a former Republican like me, and you prefer real conservatism with some sense to it, you're doing the GOP a favor in letting them know that we don't want McCain and neoconservative policies to dominate that party for the next 25 years. Which is exactly what's going to happen if he wins. Not to mention more wars and more deaths. If you do vote for him, it would be irresponsible after 5 years of constant warfare to not send your children, or yourself to fight in the wars you're endorsing for the rest of us. It's time to get out of the deluxe armchair, and follow through with your rhetoric.

Good on you! It's unfortunate you "caved in" to the liberal media propaganda rather than doing your own research for the true reasons why we went to war, why we have to sacrifice a little of our liberties to ensure our national security, and why we continue to be oil dependent from other nations.

Our economy was stable until about 2 years ago when Democrats took over congress. Liberal media always front page the President's approval rating to be one of the lowest in history, but they will not comment about a Democratic Congress whose approval rating is in a single digit!

I always believe not to believe everything I read is true and accurate, especially in this country of ours where the media is ran mostly by liberals. But there is no looking back for you now. I congratulate you for exercising your right to vote and for making a personal conviction to make a choice; instead of sitting around and hopefully someone will call you if they need you.

Hey, remember when the Republicans all said that the booming Clinton economy was only because of Reagan? Because of a time lag from Washington to Wall Street to Main Street? Do you remember that talking point? Well, I do, and this is the year that lie bites you in the ass.
Of course, you're lying here too, as the foundation for our current economic situation was already in place before 2 years ago. That is, unless you actually believe that home values would have kept going up and up forever if only we had a Republican congress...

I love how attacking the mythical 'liberal media' becomes an excuse for being ill-informed. Hell, pal, what were the 'true reasons' we went to war in Iraq besides for the govt to steal trillions of our money... with your help? Tell me please.
 

Obsoleet

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
I don't buy the racism garbage for two seconds. We didn't hear shit about racism until Obama fell behind in the polls, and all of a sudden everyone started making apologies for him losing.

"If Obama loses, it's because people can't get past their deep-seeded racist views."

Horseshit. If he loses, it's because people don't think he has enough experience. Run after a couple terms in the senate, then he'll clean house, but the gun was jumped. If McCain loses, it's not because he's an old white guy who looks like Cheney, it's because people are afraid he'll be too similar to Bush.

Race has nothing to do with any of this.

You're out of your mind if you don't think "casual" racism (as if racism can be called such) is not a problem in America, more of a problem than almost any other western nation then you need a wakeup call.

I'd be willing to bet, most of the Republicans on this board.. IF it would fly and assist with helping change public opinion to support McCain would attack Obama based on racism. It's only kept hush because it's repulsive.

Yet, I can speak from experience that most Republicans, not all, will rant and rave about affirmative action, race based quotas and if you can get them to be honest enough, will reveal the root of that objection which is their own racism. Subconcious or not.

In my estimation the difference between a racist and someone who's not, is one who truly understands that theres no difference between arabs, whites, blacks, mexicans or any other group.

It pervades most of the GOP membership on issues such as immigration, the war on Iraq, affirmative action and other race based quotas and most things in our day.
Every position they take, conveniently is "pro-white" as much as possible without being outright racist. Even their undying support for Israel could be viewed as racist. They are the light skinned colony sitting in the middle east.
Most of your "save darfur" people are coming from the political left, not the right.
Let's not bullshit here.

To say racism isn't a problem in 2008 is just a flat out lie. To say that the GOP doesn't have the majority of racists between the two main parties is also a flat out lie.

To say that race won't affect Obama's chances at winning is also a lie. Will the people who will vote for him because he is black outweigh that? I doubt it, but it's debatable.

If this isn't the "casual racism" I speak of, then I don't know what is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaxZSz3Awg
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Originally posted by: jbourne77
I don't buy the racism garbage for two seconds. We didn't hear shit about racism until Obama fell behind in the polls, and all of a sudden everyone started making apologies for him losing.

"If Obama loses, it's because people can't get past their deep-seeded racist views."

Horseshit. If he loses, it's because people don't think he has enough experience. Run after a couple terms in the senate, then he'll clean house, but the gun was jumped. If McCain loses, it's not because he's an old white guy who looks like Cheney, it's because people are afraid he'll be too similar to Bush.

Race has nothing to do with any of this.

You're out of your mind if you don't think "casual" racism (as if racism can be called such) is not a problem in America, more of a problem than almost any other western nation then you need a wakeup call.

I'd be willing to bet, most of the Republicans on this board.. IF it would fly and assist with helping change public opinion to support McCain would attack Obama based on racism. It's only kept hush because it's repulsive.

Yet, I can speak from experience that most Republicans, not all, will rant and rave about affirmative action, race based quotas and if you can get them to be honest enough, will reveal the root of that objection which is their own racism. Subconcious or not.

In my estimation the difference between a racist and someone who's not, is one who truly understands that theres no difference between arabs, whites, blacks, mexicans or any other group.

It pervades most of the GOP membership on issues such as immigration, the war on Iraq, affirmative action and other race based quotas and most things in our day.
Every position they take, conveniently is "pro-white" as much as possible without being outright racist. Even their undying support for Israel could be viewed as racist. They are the light skinned colony sitting in the middle east.
Most of your "save darfur" people are coming from the political left, not the right.
Let's not bullshit here.

To say racism isn't a problem in 2008 is just a flat out lie. To say that the GOP doesn't have the majority of racists between the two main parties is also a flat out lie.

To say that race won't affect Obama's chances at winning is also a lie. Will the people who will vote for him because he is black outweigh that? I doubt it, but it's debatable.

If this isn't the "casual racism" I speak of, then I don't know what is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaxZSz3Awg

Wow, talk about verbal diarrhea. You have zero clue if you really believe what you posted. This whole racism crap is nothing but a smokescreen the left has been pushing for years. If you really think that the GOP has more racists than Dems then you haven't a clue what racism is. Racism isn't a one way street so you can not defend the dems by saying more "minorities" vote for them. They've been successful with their con so far but you'd think that IF you really were a Republican and/or Conservative you'd know the drill by now. It's pathetically sad to see people like you buying into more and more of this BS, as it has no basis in reality. I am not racist, but ideologically I am opposed to affirmative action. It has nothing to do with skin color - it has to do with equality. If people really do want to be treated equally then let each stand on his own merit - not quotas. IMO, it's affirmative action that is racist as it looks directly at race first instead of merit. But whatever - I'm sure there are plenty of ignorant people who buy into the crap you posted... I just hope someday you will see the error of your ways.
 

Obsoleet

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Wow, talk about verbal diarrhea. You have zero clue if you really believe what you posted. This whole racism crap is nothing but a smokescreen the left has been pushing for years. If you really think that the GOP has more racists than Dems then you haven't a clue what racism is. Racism isn't a one way street so you can not defend the dems by saying more "minorities" vote for them. They've been successful with their con so far but you'd think that IF you really were a Republican and/or Conservative you'd know the drill by now. It's pathetically sad to see people like you buying into more and more of this BS, as it has no basis in reality. I am not racist, but ideologically I am opposed to affirmative action. It has nothing to do with skin color - it has to do with equality. If people really do want to be treated equally then let each stand on his own merit - not quotas. IMO, it's affirmative action that is racist as it looks directly at race first instead of merit. But whatever - I'm sure there are plenty of ignorant people who buy into the crap you posted... I just hope someday you will see the error of your ways.

You can be one guy trying to refute it, or I'll report a news article from today and you decide.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7639111.stm

It's not a "white" thing per-se. I said the majority of the racists are in the REPUBLICAN party.
Read your news report. I'm sure you'll silently tell yourself, "he's right!", then post how he's just one guy and it's not a pandemic within the GOP.

It's not BS propogated by the media, racism and homophobia are turned a blind eye by republicans, and they might even wink at you in casual support of a gay joke or joke about people of another race. And not winking in that Larry Craig, Ted Haggard Republican way.

I can understand why a Republican would never own up to all this. I used to be one for 8 years, I voted for Bush. I was a member of the College Republicans at my university. You're not going to say "yea you're right. when I sit around the campfire on weekends and to break the monotony I make racist jokes about blacks and how lazy they are". No matter what evidence I produce or facts about racial discrimination in our society.
If it doesn't exist (or you can't see it) where you live, you need to travel more.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Wow, talk about verbal diarrhea. You have zero clue if you really believe what you posted. This whole racism crap is nothing but a smokescreen the left has been pushing for years. If you really think that the GOP has more racists than Dems then you haven't a clue what racism is. Racism isn't a one way street so you can not defend the dems by saying more "minorities" vote for them. They've been successful with their con so far but you'd think that IF you really were a Republican and/or Conservative you'd know the drill by now. It's pathetically sad to see people like you buying into more and more of this BS, as it has no basis in reality. I am not racist, but ideologically I am opposed to affirmative action. It has nothing to do with skin color - it has to do with equality. If people really do want to be treated equally then let each stand on his own merit - not quotas. IMO, it's affirmative action that is racist as it looks directly at race first instead of merit. But whatever - I'm sure there are plenty of ignorant people who buy into the crap you posted... I just hope someday you will see the error of your ways.

You can be one guy trying to refute it, or I'll report a news article from today and you decide.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7639111.stm

It's not a "white" thing per-se. I said the majority of the racists are in the REPUBLICAN party.
Read your news report. I'm sure you'll silently tell yourself, "he's right!", then post how he's just one guy and it's not a pandemic within the GOP.

It's not BS propogated by the media, racism and homophobia are turned a blind eye by republicans, and they might even wink at you in casual support of a gay joke or joke about people of another race. And not winking in that Larry Craig, Ted Haggard Republican way.

I can understand why a Republican would never own up to all this. I used to be one for 8 years, I voted for Bush. I was a member of the College Republicans at my university. You're not going to say "yea you're right. when I sit around the campfire on weekends and to break the monotony I make racist jokes about blacks and how lazy they are". No matter what evidence I produce or facts about racial discrimination in our society.
If it doesn't exist (or you can't see it) where you live, you need to travel more.


Yep this is one racist country we are so racist that we will elect a black guy with almost no experience. Sounds like a racist country to me lol. This election is over Obama will win in a landslide it is time to accept it and move on. I just hope I can survive 4 years of Pelosi running this country.
 

Obsoleet

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
The Republican ideology has utterly failed in economics. It has produced disastrous results every single time it was implemented. Disastrous results.

I disagree with part of your statement. The ideology hasn't failed. Its the party that has failed by not sticking to the ideology they have been pushing for all this time.

I disagree with that argument.

The ideology DID fail, whether it's because the party didn't stick to it or not, that is simply another inherent flaw to the ideology if it works against human nature.

So essentially you could try the ideology out again and again, and you'll get the same result. I was a supporter of laissez faire capitalism, but now that it's collapsed and our government has admitted it through the bail-out, this is a collapse on the level of the USSR when we look back 50 years from now.

Our choices now are full blown socialism or a hybrid social democracy such as western europe. I'm hoping we go the way of western europe and not the USSR, but looking at everything else being done in the name of 'terrorism', such as our governments hiring of former soviet officials to implement Bush's programs, it's pretty clear we're heading in the wrong direction.
 

Obsoleet

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Yep this is one racist country we are so racist that we will elect a black guy with almost no experience.

Not much experience, but outstanding judgment. Which is what we need more than anything. The job of an executive is to call hard shots. This is basically a strong, thoughtful, intelligent version of GWB with the anti-Cheney in Joe Biden. We're going to be ok with this team as President and Vice President.
America will surprise me if O'bama is elected. I'm in the camp of a McCain win is assured. Not enough people dig deep enough into the issues, do enough critical thinking for an Obama win.
As the quality of education and value of education drops in this country to the point where being intellectually elite is suddenly a bad thing, and being a hockey mom who compares herself to a dog is a good thing.. we're in trouble as a society.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Wow, talk about verbal diarrhea. You have zero clue if you really believe what you posted. This whole racism crap is nothing but a smokescreen the left has been pushing for years. If you really think that the GOP has more racists than Dems then you haven't a clue what racism is. Racism isn't a one way street so you can not defend the dems by saying more "minorities" vote for them. They've been successful with their con so far but you'd think that IF you really were a Republican and/or Conservative you'd know the drill by now. It's pathetically sad to see people like you buying into more and more of this BS, as it has no basis in reality. I am not racist, but ideologically I am opposed to affirmative action. It has nothing to do with skin color - it has to do with equality. If people really do want to be treated equally then let each stand on his own merit - not quotas. IMO, it's affirmative action that is racist as it looks directly at race first instead of merit. But whatever - I'm sure there are plenty of ignorant people who buy into the crap you posted... I just hope someday you will see the error of your ways.

You can be one guy trying to refute it, or I'll report a news article from today and you decide.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7639111.stm

It's not a "white" thing per-se. I said the majority of the racists are in the REPUBLICAN party.
Read your news report. I'm sure you'll silently tell yourself, "he's right!", then post how he's just one guy and it's not a pandemic within the GOP.

It's not BS propogated by the media, racism and homophobia are turned a blind eye by republicans, and they might even wink at you in casual support of a gay joke or joke about people of another race. And not winking in that Larry Craig, Ted Haggard Republican way.

I can understand why a Republican would never own up to all this. I used to be one for 8 years, I voted for Bush. I was a member of the College Republicans at my university. You're not going to say "yea you're right. when I sit around the campfire on weekends and to break the monotony I make racist jokes about blacks and how lazy they are". No matter what evidence I produce or facts about racial discrimination in our society.
If it doesn't exist (or you can't see it) where you live, you need to travel more.

How the hell is that any different than bubba - hustlin' the craker vote

*sigh* I did not say racism doesn't exist in society but your implication that Republicans are inherently racist because it's part of being a Republican is pure horse shit.

Man, I swear you people who cry racist all the time - WANT more racism(like J.Jackson and A.Sharpton) so they can keep playing the same card over and over again. Sheesh.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
The Republican ideology has utterly failed in economics. It has produced disastrous results every single time it was implemented. Disastrous results.

I disagree with part of your statement. The ideology hasn't failed. Its the party that has failed by not sticking to the ideology they have been pushing for all this time.

I disagree with that argument.

The ideology DID fail, whether it's because the party didn't stick to it or not, that is simply another inherent flaw to the ideology if it works against human nature.

So essentially you could try the ideology out again and again, and you'll get the same result. I was a supporter of laissez faire capitalism, but now that it's collapsed and our government has admitted it through the bail-out, this is a collapse on the level of the USSR when we look back 50 years from now.

Our choices now are full blown socialism or a hybrid social democracy such as western europe. I'm hoping we go the way of western europe and not the USSR, but looking at everything else being done in the name of 'terrorism', such as our governments hiring of former soviet officials to implement Bush's programs, it's pretty clear we're heading in the wrong direction.

wow, so much cluelessness....so little time.

Uh... the ideology didn't fail. It wasn't followed. Just because it wasn't followed doesn't mean the ideology itself is wrong.

We didn't have "laissez faire capitalism" - especially when it came to the current housing lending market "crisis". And no, it's not like the USSR. Spend some time educating yourself on both subjects and come back to amend/retract your statement.

Wrong - we have many choices, not just the two a blinded by rage/angst/whatever BHO supporter claims we have.

It's sad to see people so consumed by hate/rage/angst they have little left for rational thought... hopefully Obsoleet will rejoin the rational world some day.... hopefully sooner rather than later.:)

 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Uh... the ideology didn't fail. It wasn't followed. Just because it wasn't followed doesn't mean the ideology itself is wrong.

That's exactly what people say about communism.
 

jman19

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I took a dump about 6:30, guess I should start a P&N thread on that since it has just about the same relativety as a news story here.

You take a dump pretty much every time you leave a post in P&N.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Uh... the ideology didn't fail. It wasn't followed. Just because it wasn't followed doesn't mean the ideology itself is wrong.

That's exactly what people say about communism.

No, that's what communists and communist sympathizers say about communism. ;)
 

Obsoleet

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Uh... the ideology didn't fail. It wasn't followed. Just because it wasn't followed doesn't mean the ideology itself is wrong.

That's exactly what people say about communism.

No, that's what communists and communist sympathizers say about communism. ;)

You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm afraid that so far, you lack the open mind.. because anyone of us GOPers who hasn't jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon or gone independent after the last 8 years of "conservatism", isn't thinking critically.


My point is, that the factors that caused capitalism and communism to fail are both due to human nature, the systems have inherent flaws.. retrying communism or capitalism and expecting a different result, "if just people would conduct themselves in a different way under the system", or if "people managed it better" is nothing but wishful thinking.
It's like thinking in Vietnam 2.0, we can win this Vietnam. Unlike how many GOPers think that "if we'd just stayed a little bit longer!", we could've won Vietnam. There's no definition of victory, there's no exit strategy.. how do we expect to win these needless conflicts that are so ill designed?
Darn liberals keep getting in the way of vain men's attempts to reshape the world in their image.

It will go through the same path the next time it's tested, for both ideologies. Unless major changes or a hybridization of different ideologies is formed to something new, which might fail as well.

But at very least, we need a system that before it fails, doesnt encourage the consumption of the worlds finite resources (ie not having infinite money supplies), supports human rights and civil liberties, and protects the environment.

Not having all the answers is ok, you can admit you don't know everything CADguy. I'm just telling you how it is.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Obsoleet
It's like thinking in Vietnam 2.0, we can win this Vietnam. Unlike how many GOPers think that "if we'd just stayed a little bit longer!", we could've won Vietnam. There's no definition of victory, there's no exit strategy.. how do we expect to win these needless conflicts that are so ill designed?
Darn liberals keep getting in the way of vain men's attempts to reshape the world in their image.

Crack open a history book sometime. The Vietnam War was not started by a Republican President.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Uh... the ideology didn't fail. It wasn't followed. Just because it wasn't followed doesn't mean the ideology itself is wrong.

That's exactly what people say about communism.

No, that's what communists and communist sympathizers say about communism. ;)

You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm afraid that so far, you lack the open mind.. because anyone of us GOPers who hasn't jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon or gone independent after the last 8 years of "conservatism", isn't thinking critically.

Pssttt... I'm not voting McCain. If you weren't so blind with rage/angst/whatever - you might have realized that.
 

Obsoleet

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Uh... the ideology didn't fail. It wasn't followed. Just because it wasn't followed doesn't mean the ideology itself is wrong.

That's exactly what people say about communism.

No, that's what communists and communist sympathizers say about communism. ;)

You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm afraid that so far, you lack the open mind.. because anyone of us GOPers who hasn't jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon or gone independent after the last 8 years of "conservatism", isn't thinking critically.

Pssttt... I'm not voting McCain. If you weren't so blind with rage/angst/whatever - you might have realized that.

I don't realize what you haven't stated to me. I'm not reading your mind right now chief.

But from the way you're talking, you're not doing much critical thinking, but I'm glad to hear you're not voting for McCain, for that I give you some respect as a former Republican.

Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Obsoleet
It's like thinking in Vietnam 2.0, we can win this Vietnam. Unlike how many GOPers think that "if we'd just stayed a little bit longer!", we could've won Vietnam. There's no definition of victory, there's no exit strategy.. how do we expect to win these needless conflicts that are so ill designed?
Darn liberals keep getting in the way of vain men's attempts to reshape the world in their image.

Crack open a history book sometime. The Vietnam War was not started by a Republican President.

Yup started by the same neocons that control the Republican party today. Instead of worrying about the individual parties, why not admit that Vietnam and Iraq are both one in the same, and the wrong fights?

And if you can do that, then don't vote for McCain and don't defend him or the Bush/McCain policies. :)
 

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Uh... the ideology didn't fail. It wasn't followed. Just because it wasn't followed doesn't mean the ideology itself is wrong.

That's exactly what people say about communism.

No, that's what communists and communist sympathizers say about communism. ;)

You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm afraid that so far, you lack the open mind.. because anyone of us GOPers who hasn't jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon or gone independent after the last 8 years of "conservatism", isn't thinking critically.

Pssttt... I'm not voting McCain. If you weren't so blind with rage/angst/whatever - you might have realized that.

Right you just play McCain fluffer.
 

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Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Uh... the ideology didn't fail. It wasn't followed. Just because it wasn't followed doesn't mean the ideology itself is wrong.

That's exactly what people say about communism.

No, that's what communists and communist sympathizers say about communism. ;)

You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm afraid that so far, you lack the open mind.. because anyone of us GOPers who hasn't jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon or gone independent after the last 8 years of "conservatism", isn't thinking critically.

Pssttt... I'm not voting McCain. If you weren't so blind with rage/angst/whatever - you might have realized that.

I don't realize what you haven't stated to me. I'm not reading your mind right now chief.

But from the way you're talking, you're not doing much critical thinking, but I'm glad to hear you're not voting for McCain, for that I give you some respect as a former Republican.


You haven't seen Vic(and others) and I go at it over this issue? People here ASSume that I'm supporting McCain but I've repeatedly posted why it is I am not voting McCain. I chide people like you for voting BHO if you really were Republicans/Conservative because he stands for an opposing ideology. If you really are upset with the current crop of non-Conservative GOP members then register your vote as a protest by voting Barr or RP2. Atleast the GOP will see it as a lost vote and may move them back towards the ideals that got them elected in '94. By you people voting BHO - you don't register your protest and now the GOP may see that as people actually wanting liberalism instead of actually wanting more real Conservatism.

But then again...rage doesn't foster rational thinking... From your threads of late we can see you aren't thinking as clearly or rationally as you should and could. :)


You haven't even read your own thread. Vic and I got into it IN this thread.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Buahahahahahaaa!!!!!!

Coming from the biggest partisan troll hack who pretends he's not on these forums, I'll take this as a compliment.

C'mon, CAD, link us to your last post that was actually critical of Republicans. Hell, I'll be satisfied with just seeing the last time you actually took an objective position on anything.

Likewise. Your blinders have been on too tight since you fell for BHO. One doesn't have to be critical of both sides to not have a horse in the race. But we've been over this before. BHO represents everything I dislike about Liberalism in the US, thus I will fight him at every turn. Just because the GOP has lost it's Conservative way does not mean I need to bash them to please you. But in any event - I have posted many times about what is wrong with the GOP, Bush, etc. You just don't seem to see it when it happens. No, it doesn't happen near as much as I bash BHO, his flock, and Democrats but then again - they are the one's ideologically opposed to me so they get my attention most of the time. :)

Sorry you can't handle the reality of this situation. Hell, I'm sorry that you can't see how incredibly insane it is for a self-proclaimed "libertarian" to support the likes of BHO. Meh... whatever floats your boat.
 

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Obsoleet
It's like thinking in Vietnam 2.0, we can win this Vietnam. Unlike how many GOPers think that "if we'd just stayed a little bit longer!", we could've won Vietnam. There's no definition of victory, there's no exit strategy.. how do we expect to win these needless conflicts that are so ill designed?
Darn liberals keep getting in the way of vain men's attempts to reshape the world in their image.

Crack open a history book sometime. The Vietnam War was not started by a Republican President.

Crack open a reading comprehension book sometime, he never said it was.