Vivnedi is soooo wack.

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: EpsiIon

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: notfred
WTF do you need a booklet for? The game is point and shoot. It works just like very other FPS made in the last ten years.

It does many things that are not normal for every other FPS and comes with a whole nother game, CS:S, which it has no little orange card for. There are a thousand things they could have put in the booklet that would have been useful, but instead they told us to figure it out. Fvck them, I'm never buying from them again.

Over a piece of paper you would have glanced at and thrown away? Makes sense to me... :roll:

BTW, I don't like Vivendi, but I can't bring myself to care about the lame attempt at a manual they would have produced if people like you had their way.

The point is that if you are going to spend $55, you shouldn't be getting unfinished software in paper cases and no manual.

Well, I can see that. But there's also the Steam option (which is clearly superior for those with good broadband). It's not like you HAVE to spend that much money on disks and a box that ultimately mean nothing (that's right, nothing).

 

[mundane]

Originally posted by: clarkkent333
Ill back the OP on this as well. I could understand this if the savings were being passed onto the consumers. Im sure printing full color booklets aren't that cheap, althought Im sure they're not that expensive. But we aren't seeing any of the money back. Not to mention that I always love reading the manuals. Controls are usually learned but the most manuals give nice tidbits of storyline as well as character dialouges and pictures. Its just nice to have. Now if I could forgo the manual and cd case to save $10 on my purchase price I would. In a heartbeat.

I do back the OP, but there's also another issue. Professional game development is getting more expensive. Game hype is built upon cutting edge engines (either built from scratch or rented license, and neither is cheap) with incredible art (need to pay for more and more artists). As levels get larger and more complicated, the designers need to spend more and more time on creating them (Compare Doom 1 level 1 to HL2 - with editors, the former could be done in hours by an expert, but it takes a team weeks/months for the latter). Similarly, we're expecting top notch music and voice talent. Hell, let's license some complicated physics engine while we're at it.

I think an excerpt from the GDC had one major developer saying that it costs $20 million just to develop a game these days. As costs to make the games go up, they're (publisher) going to look for ways to a) cut costs elsewhere or b) raise prices.

 

[imported_brad]

lmao.

Vivendi is nothing but a money hungry juggernaught. They care nothing about you after you've opened the box.

check out my vent a week ago

i should also add that Tribes came with the most minimalistic instruction manual that can be called 'instructions'. On top of that, instead of having a CD case, they just stuck the 4 cd's for Vengeance into sleeves. No artwork. Nothing fancy. Same high ass price. No delivery.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
Well, I can see that. But there's also the Steam option (which is clearly superior for those with good broadband). It's not like you HAVE to spend that much money on disks and a box that ultimately mean nothing (that's right, nothing).

Actually having the disks is nice, I don't have to worry about a hopeful future when Steam is destroyed and we are free people again. Because when that happens, you can't download it anymore. And then when that happens hopefully someone sues them and they go out of business. Stupid devs.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: notfred
WTF do you need a booklet for? The game is point and shoot. It works just like very other FPS made in the last ten years.

It does many things that are not normal for every other FPS and comes with a whole nother game, CS:S, which it has no little orange card for. There are a thousand things they could have put in the booklet that would have been useful, but instead they told us to figure it out. Fvck them, I'm never buying from them again.

Somehow I've been managing to play OK without a booklet.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: notfred
WTF do you need a booklet for? The game is point and shoot. It works just like very other FPS made in the last ten years.

It does many things that are not normal for every other FPS and comes with a whole nother game, CS:S, which it has no little orange card for. There are a thousand things they could have put in the booklet that would have been useful, but instead they told us to figure it out. Fvck them, I'm never buying from them again.

Somehow I've been managing to play OK without a booklet.

I couldn't even figure out how to quit CS:S the first time I played it because it does things differently.

 

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: malak
I couldn't even figure out how to quit CS:S the first time I played it because it does things differently.

Did you try hitting escape a few times? This gets you to the menu in most games. From there, it's a simple matter of reading the menu and seeing the option that leaves the game... I am having trouble understanding how this could confuse you.

Originally posted by: malak
Actually having the disks is nice, I don't have to worry about a hopeful future when Steam is destroyed and we are free people again. Because when that happens, you can't download it anymore. And then when that happens hopefully someone sues them and they go out of business. Stupid devs.

lol I really don't see why some of you hate Steam so much.

If you're really concerned about it dying, back up your Steam folder. Sure, it takes some time. But I think 15 minutes is worth it for DoD:S and an extra HL CD Key (to use on my other box when friends come over).

BTW, what I meant by "disks and a box that ultimately mean nothing" is that once you've registered your copy, you're just like the people who bought the game online. Your CD Key is still permanently tied to your Steam account. The ONLY conceivable advantage is that you already have a backup of the game. But that's not really an issue, IMO.