Vista why is it so bad..

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: Mem

I spent hours troubleshooting this Vista install, trying to figure out why it won't shutdown properly, but despite the improvements in Vista's error logging I couldn't figure it out. If it wasn't Adobe's Acrobat Reader causing shutdown problems it was Sun's Java, or Nvidia's Control Panel, or Windows' Calculator, or Firefox, etc, etc, ad nauseum. In other words, no one application was the culprit, so it has to be the damn OS. I can count on two hands the number of times Vista has shut down properly in over a year.

You care to explain then why 99% of users don't have this problem,my Vista PCs shut down fine,besides if it was a Vista issue its logical to presume everybody that has Vista would have the issue but the fact is they don't.

Most people don't have the same problems. Just look through this subforum and you'll see a myriad of problems, from Network connectivity issues to Windows Explorer not saving folder view settings to Vista eating 80% of their hard drive space less than a week.

Everyone has problems with this OS, some don't even realize things aren't working right, and even more just accept the issues and live with them.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
I spent hours troubleshooting this Vista install, trying to figure out why it won't shutdown properly, but despite the improvements in Vista's error logging I couldn't figure it out. If it wasn't Adobe's Acrobat Reader causing shutdown problems it was Sun's Java, or Nvidia's Control Panel, or Windows' Calculator, or Firefox, etc, etc, ad nauseum. In other words, no one application was the culprit, so it has to be the damn OS. I can count on two hands the number of times Vista has shut down properly in over a year.

Or, you could be having a driver issue that could be causing all the problems with all that software. Almost all of us using Vista have all that very same software installed for some time with no issues whatsoever.

Instead of blaming the operating system and Microsoft, why don't you go to the control panel and open Performance Information and Tools, then select Advanced Tools. From there you will have a number of utilities that will help you troubleshoot your shutdown problems and will identify what is really the cause of the issue. The three items specifically you want to select in this menu are as follows:

1. View performance details in Event log

2. Open Reliability and Performance Monitor

3. Generate a system health report.

The best information on your shutdown issues will be contained in the Reliability Monitor section of the performance and reliability monitor.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
In the example quoted, I used the stand alone installer for SP3 and Vista SP1. The Vista SP1 took at least 4 times longer to install. I also find that Windows Updates in general take forever on a Vista system.

I should have been a little more clear that there are a number of factors that will determine how long it takes to install a Service Pack on either Vista or XP including the differences in hardware, if the operating systems are kept updated or not, the size of the Service Packs and if you used the stand alone installer or Windows Update.

You are also comparing Apples and Oranges when it come to sp3 for XP and sp1 for Vista. Vista requires three large prerequisite updates before you can even install sp1. If you use automatic updates on the systems you set up (like I do) then these three updates should already be installed and will drastically decrease the time to install sp1. The stand alone installer includes these updates, but only applies them if they are missing which will double the amount of time to install the service pack.

SP3 for XP does not require any prerequisite updates since it is mainly a rollup of previous updates to XP and offers very little in new feature and bug fixes. SP1 for Vista not only rolls up these updates, but includes a slew of new fixes, changes and features. It is much more akin to sp1 in XP that sp3.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Most people don't have the same problems. Just look through this subforum and you'll see a myriad of problems, from Network connectivity issues to Windows Explorer not saving folder view settings to Vista eating 80% of their hard drive space less than a week.

Everyone has problems with this OS, some don't even realize things aren't working right, and even more just accept the issues and live with them.

You will also find many of those very same issues for XP and Linux along with a bunch of different ones that don't affect Vista much. It means nothing to the quality of the operating system itself because real world people have real world problems in a open hardware system where there are literally hundreds of thousands of hardware and software combinations.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: Mem

I spent hours troubleshooting this Vista install, trying to figure out why it won't shutdown properly, but despite the improvements in Vista's error logging I couldn't figure it out. If it wasn't Adobe's Acrobat Reader causing shutdown problems it was Sun's Java, or Nvidia's Control Panel, or Windows' Calculator, or Firefox, etc, etc, ad nauseum. In other words, no one application was the culprit, so it has to be the damn OS. I can count on two hands the number of times Vista has shut down properly in over a year.

You care to explain then why 99% of users don't have this problem,my Vista PCs shut down fine,besides if it was a Vista issue its logical to presume everybody that has Vista would have the issue but the fact is they don't.

Most people don't have the same problems. Just look through this subforum and you'll see a myriad of problems, from Network connectivity issues to Windows Explorer not saving folder view settings to Vista eating 80% of their hard drive space less than a week.

Everyone has problems with this OS, some don't even realize things aren't working right, and even more just accept the issues and live with them.

I can say that about XP or any OS which does not prove anything at this point,besides are you going to ignore all the forum posts on XP issues over the years too?..fact is users posting issues in forums are not representive of the whole Vista or even XP community,you won't see a lot of posts like My XP or Vista is working great in forums because users without issues rarley post or start threads...

Btw I recommended Vista to my brother he has no issues,my sister even likes Vista so I guess 99% of happy Vista users or even 99% XP happy users if you like don't count?....


Wanna take bets now there will be posts like these on Windows 7 and 8,somethings in these forums never change as the old members here would remember the bashing XP got from 2K users,some people have short memories.

 

[imported_snikt]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Most people don't have the same problems. Just look through this subforum and you'll see a myriad of problems, from Network connectivity issues to Windows Explorer not saving folder view settings to Vista eating 80% of their hard drive space less than a week.

Everyone has problems with this OS, some don't even realize things aren't working right, and even more just accept the issues and live with them.

I'm know huge fan of Vista but we've deployed close to 100 Vista workstations on our enterprise. And the only problems that have been brought to our attention thus far are driver issues, particularly with our HP network printers. They all have SP1, no problems installing or thereafter. No problems with network connectivity between Windows 2000, XP, and Vista.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: snikt
I'm know huge fan of Vista but we've deployed close to 100 Vista workstations on our enterprise. And the only problems that have been brought to our attention thus far are driver issues, particularly with our HP network printers. They all have SP1, no problems installing or thereafter. No problems with network connectivity between Windows 2000, XP, and Vista.

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Vista SP1 took ~4 hours to install, failed, then took another 2 hours to uninstall. Not trying that again any time soon.

I have no doubt RC1, er SP1, would improve things with this comp, but it wouldn't install.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
I spent hours troubleshooting this Vista install, trying to figure out why it won't shutdown properly, but despite the improvements in Vista's error logging I couldn't figure it out. If it wasn't Adobe's Acrobat Reader causing shutdown problems it was Sun's Java, or Nvidia's Control Panel, or Windows' Calculator, or Firefox, etc, etc, ad nauseum. In other words, no one application was the culprit, so it has to be the damn OS. I can count on two hands the number of times Vista has shut down properly in over a year.

Or, you could be having a driver issue that could be causing all the problems with all that software. Almost all of us using Vista have all that very same software installed for some time with no issues whatsoever.

Instead of blaming the operating system and Microsoft, why don't you go to the control panel and open Performance Information and Tools, then select Advanced Tools. From there you will have a number of utilities that will help you troubleshoot your shutdown problems and will identify what is really the cause of the issue. The three items specifically you want to select in this menu are as follows:

1. View performance details in Event log

2. Open Reliability and Performance Monitor

3. Generate a system health report.

The best information on your shutdown issues will be contained in the Reliability Monitor section of the performance and reliability monitor.

Didn't see anything that would prevent the comp from shutting down properly. 6to4 adapter not working properly (common issue, no fix), and now some WAN Miniport (SSTP) driver issue that is a leftover of the failed SP1 install (this I could fix).

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Didn't see anything that would prevent the comp from shutting down properly. 6to4 adapter not working properly (common issue, no fix), and now some WAN Miniport (SSTP) driver issue that is a leftover of the failed SP1 install (this I could fix).

In this one case I would recommend you use Vlite to slipstream the service pack with the RTM Vista. Then back up all your data and do a fresh install and see if your issues are fixed.

 

[Gamingphreek]

I've been dual booting Vista and Ubuntu for a year on both my Laptop and my Desktop. My Media Center runs Vista Ultimate...

Being a CS Major and just an enthusiast I generally stay in Ubuntu; however, I have, not once, had a problem with Vista. In that year, it hasn't crashed once, it hasn't blue screened once. I have had 0 problems with it.

The problem that exists on your computer is isolated and most of your issues sounds like you don't have a clue what you are doing.

Windows Explorer not saving folder view settings

Ooooooooh tragedy. Were they able to survive without this? Jeez that sounds serious :roll:

Vista eating 80% of their hard drive space less than a week

News flash: That sounds like a Trojan virus! Vista doesn't just eat disk space - it has to have something to put there. As for memory, aggressive caching uses memory that is available to cache. When that memory is needed, the cached programs are deallocated and the memory is freed up.

Stop whining until you have a clue what you are talking about.

-Kevin

 

[imported_snikt]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Vista SP1 took ~4 hours to install, failed, then took another 2 hours to uninstall. Not trying that again any time soon.

I have no doubt RC1, er SP1, would improve things with this comp, but it wouldn't install.

I say download SP1 again and check the md5 checksum. The md5 checksum from the "wave0" file downloaded from M$ site should be e230f3dcd78e462dbf1dd538fc70ff2a

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I've been dual booting Vista and Ubuntu for a year on both my Laptop and my Desktop. My Media Center runs Vista Ultimate...

Being a CS Major and just an enthusiast I generally stay in Ubuntu; however, I have, not once, had a problem with Vista. In that year, it hasn't crashed once, it hasn't blue screened once. I have had 0 problems with it.

The problem that exists on your computer is isolated and most of your issues sounds like you don't have a clue what you are doing.

Windows Explorer not saving folder view settings

Ooooooooh tragedy. Were they able to survive without this? Jeez that sounds serious :roll:

Vista eating 80% of their hard drive space less than a week

News flash: That sounds like a Trojan virus! Vista doesn't just eat disk space - it has to have something to put there. As for memory, aggressive caching uses memory that is available to cache. When that memory is needed, the cached programs are deallocated and the memory is freed up.

Stop whining until you have a clue what you are talking about.

-Kevin

Windows Explorer not saving folder view settings

that SAME EXACT thing happens to my XP computer, ive learned to ignore it, its actually not a windows issue its some other program i installed that is the issue, im just too lazy to fix it

so no that is not a vista issue

and yes 99.9% of all complaints about vista are caused by PEBKAC

also the only thing from any OS thats gonna eat disk space like that is if you have auto recover set to use a stupid amount of HD space, again a PEBKAC issue

 

[nerp]

Could be bad memory causing file corruption. I still say it's a KCI error.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: eternalone

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Why the fuck do people defend this POS OS? It's BETA quality at best.

Totally agree and Windows 7 looks promising, fingers crossed.

Yes, Windows 7 looks promising because it looks to be "Vista done right", or rather Vista once it comes out of BETA. SP1 should be called RC1, and SP2 is RC2.

Originally posted by: Mem
Its very easy to blame the OS as soon as you get a problem(I know what I'm talking about since I had issues in 98 and XP but I went with time and effort troubleshooting the cause to find out it was not the OS ).

I spent hours troubleshooting this Vista install, trying to figure out why it won't shutdown properly, but despite the improvements in Vista's error logging I couldn't figure it out. If it wasn't Adobe's Acrobat Reader causing shutdown problems it was Sun's Java, or Nvidia's Control Panel, or Windows' Calculator, or Firefox, etc, etc, ad nauseum. In other words, no one application was the culprit, so it has to be the damn OS. I can count on two hands the number of times Vista has shut down properly in over a year.

Sounds like a hardware issue. Overclocking?

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: eternalone

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Why the fuck do people defend this POS OS? It's BETA quality at best.

Totally agree and Windows 7 looks promising, fingers crossed.

Yes, Windows 7 looks promising because it looks to be "Vista done right", or rather Vista once it comes out of BETA. SP1 should be called RC1, and SP2 is RC2.

Originally posted by: Mem
Its very easy to blame the OS as soon as you get a problem(I know what I'm talking about since I had issues in 98 and XP but I went with time and effort troubleshooting the cause to find out it was not the OS ).

I spent hours troubleshooting this Vista install, trying to figure out why it won't shutdown properly, but despite the improvements in Vista's error logging I couldn't figure it out. If it wasn't Adobe's Acrobat Reader causing shutdown problems it was Sun's Java, or Nvidia's Control Panel, or Windows' Calculator, or Firefox, etc, etc, ad nauseum. In other words, no one application was the culprit, so it has to be the damn OS. I can count on two hands the number of times Vista has shut down properly in over a year.

Sounds like a hardware issue. Overclocking?

That is most definitely a hardware issue. If no one application is the culprit, it might be the OS, but on the same vibe, if no one else's OS does the same, its probably your PC.

Being that their built on the same core and driver model, I'd say its a pretty fair bet any problem you have with Vista you're going to have with Windows 7.

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: yusux

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake
Which version of rivaturner? For x64 u need signed drivers, newest version or rivaturner comes with that.

Once again what drivers you using for the gfx card? x86 and x64 are not compatible.
I've instaled vista numerous times on both mine (4 of em) and my family's comps without any major issues, so either your comp is unstable or you are doing something wrong by using wrong software/ drivers.

Theres nothing wrong with the video, my comp is not unstable pal, I can pass prime95 just fine, it's just the guns don't have any reloading sound, and the footstep sounds not there in FarCry 2, and I already have the latest x64 drivers from Realtek for my HD audio what else can I be doing wrong? STOP DEFENDING Microsoft and their buggy products.

Yes its Microsoft's fault FarCry 2 has issues in vista . Mate vista has been out for years, if progs don't work its the developer's fault. (Ofcourse like all things there are some exceptions)

Most of the whining related to vista has been in these categories

1. Slow performance. Well if you run it on crap it will run like crap. Ever try using XP sp2 with 256mb ram? It absolutely flies even on my MC with a stock E2180. Get 2+ gig of ram and it will work well (Vista 1gig = XP sp2 256mb performance)

2. Drivers. Microsoft doesn't write drivers. Vista has been out for years now and there are no excuses that manufacturers of the hardware still don't have some drivers out. Yes some old hardware will never get support. (That has happened with every new os)

3. Program compatibility. With the exception of a few and some old programs most should work. My video editing program doesn't have support, still works but just pops up a message saying it crashed everytime I exit, annoying but I can live with it. Once again Microsoft doesn't make the programs and Vista <> XP, so complain to the developers. Also if you need to run something virtual machines work great. I have one of XP and win 95. Get something like virtual box which supports usb devices if you need em.
(I've had my usb wireless 3g internet shared from an instalation of XP in a virtual machine to the rest of my home network, so theres lots of stuff you can do )

4. UAC. If you can't figure out how to turn it off you probably should have it on. For the most part if you see too many promps chances are you're doing something wrong or you belong to the minority group which actually needs it off (if you are it would probably take you 5 min to figure out how to turn it off, or 2 min with google )

5. User error. Nothing to really say here, the more options you provide the more complaints you will have here. Most of the time its cause users stuffed around with something they shouldn't or have no clue what it does. Nothing is "fool proof"

There my little rant on the issues .

 

[Nocturnal]

I honestly don't know why it sucks but it sucks. I wiped my hard drive and installed Vista Ultimate 64-bit and it sucks. I went back to XP within two days. Why does it suck? There are little tidbits that caught my attention. None of the Power Toys are officially supported for Vista. TweakUI and ClearType tool both work but you need to use "hacks." I'm sorely disappointed by the speed of it as well. Oh well. XP for the next few years until 7 comes out, I guess.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
I honestly don't know why it sucks but it sucks. I wiped my hard drive and installed Vista Ultimate 64-bit and it sucks. I went back to XP within two days. Why does it suck? There are little tidbits that caught my attention. None of the Power Toys are officially supported for Vista. TweakUI and ClearType tool both work but you need to use "hacks." I'm sorely disappointed by the speed of it as well. Oh well. XP for the next few years until 7 comes out, I guess.

Logic there somewhere?...so you are trying to use software that is not officially supported by Vista(if it does not work in Vista then very good chance it won't work in Windows 7 ) and you blame Vista,2 days is not enough time for Superprefetch to learn your habbits ie what software you use during normally usage etc..give it at least 3-4 weeks IMHO then you'll see how fast it is.

Sorry but this is another classic user error,its quite easy to find out what software is officially supported and 2 days is not enough time as I have previously stated.

Did you try simple user setting tweaks like disabled Defender real time scan(I set mine to scan once a week) or disabled Index search?... (if you don't use it) no I bet you did not,I won't even bother meantioning Vista's auto defrag which can also be disabled if you really need too.


Lastly you dont need all that tweak crap software,leave Vista alone it does a good enough job without you adding unsupported or hacked software into the equation,Vista gives you plenty of safe user options (like above) so no need to use any tweaking sofware.

 

[Blazer]

for me Vista seems a great move, ofcoarse i wont load it up with un-needed/un-approved programs, sys is very fast and stable so far, although it was difficult to first get setup, networking and finding my router was a small glitch being turned off for a std user, but good so far.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
I honestly don't know why it sucks but it sucks. I wiped my hard drive and installed Vista Ultimate 64-bit and it sucks. I went back to XP within two days. Why does it suck? There are little tidbits that caught my attention. None of the Power Toys are officially supported for Vista. TweakUI and ClearType tool both work but you need to use "hacks." I'm sorely disappointed by the speed of it as well. Oh well. XP for the next few years until 7 comes out, I guess.

+1 on this. I also used vista for a short stint. maybe 2 months perhaps. The pathetic performance of the OS in general was very annoying to me. I switched back (downgraded) to XP Pro 32bit SP2, later on I upgraded to SP3.

I very much prefer XP Pro 32bit over Vista HP 32bit.

 

[RMSe17]

Originally posted by: pcslookout

Originally posted by: nerp
Sounds more like user error, bad hardware, malware, a virus or something else.

Yep. Everyone who who spreads FUD about Vista do it because they are mad at the OS for some reason or another. The FUD needs to stop.

I did not see any "FUD" in the original post, it was a simple matter of facts in a problematic situation.

 

[TheStu]

give it at least 3-4 weeks IMHO then you'll see how fast it is.

Seriously? That is your answer? Use the system for 3-4 weeks and it will magically become faster? That is just a ridiculous answer to a person. Almost on the same level as;
Guy 1: I put Vista on my laptop, and it just isn't as responsive or snappy as i would like it to be, XP felt snappier to me.
Guy 2: Just give it 3-4 weeks it will be super fast then.
Guy 1: Well, I don't have 3-4 weeks, I have a project that I need to work on and I need my system responsive.
Guy 2: Buy a new laptop

 

[Muadib]

Damn, this thread is scary. :shocked:

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: TheStu

give it at least 3-4 weeks IMHO then you'll see how fast it is.

Seriously? That is your answer? Use the system for 3-4 weeks and it will magically become faster? That is just a ridiculous answer to a person. Almost on the same level as;
Guy 1: I put Vista on my laptop, and it just isn't as responsive or snappy as i would like it to be, XP felt snappier to me.
Guy 2: Just give it 3-4 weeks it will be super fast then.
Guy 1: Well, I don't have 3-4 weeks, I have a project that I need to work on and I need my system responsive.
Guy 2: Buy a new laptop

No ones asking you to use Vista. And it does run like crap on low end hardware (Single cores <2 gig of ram, same as XP did when paired with low end system at the time) On laptops with slow drives it does tent to be a lot slower (5400 and 4200 rpm driver in particular, even the 7200rpm drives are not that much better)

On good hardware yes it does become faster after it finishes indexing all the crap (Or get RAID 0 ), but then its fast anyways. Vista does need more system resources but then why don't we complain how every new os is slower, why Microsoft are b****rds I want to run xp and vista on a 486.

 

[TheStu]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: TheStu

give it at least 3-4 weeks IMHO then you'll see how fast it is.

Seriously? That is your answer? Use the system for 3-4 weeks and it will magically become faster? That is just a ridiculous answer to a person. Almost on the same level as;
Guy 1: I put Vista on my laptop, and it just isn't as responsive or snappy as i would like it to be, XP felt snappier to me.
Guy 2: Just give it 3-4 weeks it will be super fast then.
Guy 1: Well, I don't have 3-4 weeks, I have a project that I need to work on and I need my system responsive.
Guy 2: Buy a new laptop

No ones asking you to use Vista. And it does run like crap on low end hardware (Single cores <2 gig of ram, same as XP did when paired with low end system at the time) On laptops with slow drives it does tent to be a lot slower (5400 and 4200 rpm driver in particular, even the 7200rpm drives are not that much better)

On good hardware yes it does become faster after it finishes indexing all the crap (Or get RAID 0 ), but then its fast anyways. Vista does need more system resources but then why don't we complain how every new os is slower, why Microsoft are b****rds I want to run xp and vista on a 486.

I never once complained about the performance of vista on any hardware. I was simply pointing out the ridiculousness of replying to someone with performance issues "Just keep using it, eventually it magically becomes faster". That was all. Mem was replying to Nocturnal, and I in turn was replying to Mem.