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I do game actually, but not that much I did not know that Dx9.0c was a separate codebase from Dx10 (in the sense that Dx10 doesn't cover all of 9.0c) so I will have to follow that link, see
My understanding(somebody will correct me if I'm wrong) is Vista has DX10 and seperate DX9L for DX9 games, latest DX9.0C updates the DX9 part in Vista ,some DX9 games will not run in Vista unless it has a updated DX9.0C installed(some games need certain DX9.0c dll files),I remember "The Witcher" demo was one,there was a few more.


Anyway as you can see Vista is listed.


System Requirements

* Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000; Windows 2000 Advanced Server; Windows 2000 Professional Edition ; Windows 2000 Server; Windows 2000 Service Pack 2; Windows 2000 Service Pack 3; Windows 2000 Service Pack 4; Windows 98; Windows 98 Second Edition; Windows Home Server; Windows ME; Windows Server 2003; Windows Server 2003 R2 (32-Bit x86); Windows Server 2003 R2 Datacenter Edition (32-Bit x86); Windows Server 2003 R2 Datacenter x64 Edition; Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition (32-Bit x86); Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise x64 Edition; Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard Edition (32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard x64 Edition ; Windows Server 2003 R2 x64 editions; Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1; Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2; Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 x64 Edition; Windows Server 2003 x64 editions; Windows Server 2003, Datacenter Edition (32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition (32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition (32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003, Web Edition; Windows Server 2008; Windows Server 2008 Datacenter; Windows Server 2008 Datacenter without Hyper-V; Windows Server 2008 Enterprise; Windows Server 2008 Enterprise without Hyper-V; Windows Server 2008 Standard; Windows Server 2008 Standard without Hyper-V; Windows Small Business Server 2003 ; Windows Vista; Windows Vista 64-bit Editions Service Pack 1; Windows Vista Business; Windows Vista Business 64-bit edition; Windows Vista Business N; Windows Vista Enterprise; Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit edition; Windows Vista Home Basic; Windows Vista Home Basic 64-bit edition; Windows Vista Home Basic N; Windows Vista Home Premium; Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit edition; Windows Vista Service Pack 1; Windows Vista Starter; Windows Vista Starter N; Windows Vista Ultimate; Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition; Windows Web Server 2008; Windows XP; Windows XP 64-bit; Windows XP Home Edition ; Windows XP Home Edition N; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional N; Windows XP Professional x64 Edition ; Windows XP Service Pack 1; Windows XP Service Pack 2; Windows XP Service Pack 3; Windows XP Starter Edition; Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
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WaitingForNehalem

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Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
What do you guys see in Vista? It has nothing new in it. It wastes CPU cycles scanning for DRM. Its GUI eats up resources. In the end, it doesn't offer anything new other than a better partition editor which could be fixed with Gparted. I could care less about how the GUI looks, I use Linux all though command line for Pete's sake. Yes, I know I could switch off all the UI "improvements" but then what is the point of using Vista? Why would I pay money for new OS that offers nothing new? Vista is a resource hog and there is no denying that. DX 10 also offers nothing new since editing a config file in Crysis produced the same results. Honestly, I want 64-bit but I don't want Vista. How is Windows XP 64?

Do you know what you are talking about?...Vista is designed for today's hardware ,XP was released back in 2001,if you look at Win95/98, even XP back then(2001) was a resource hog compared to them.


DX10 you meantioned , no hack in the world on XP is the real thing,you forgot to meantion DX10.1 and even DX11 down the road for Vista/Windows 7,XP on the otherhand has no DX upgrade option its stuck on DX9.0c,so DX upgrade wise its dead.

You forgot to meantion all the real security benefits or improved memory handling Vista has, I could go but whats the point,people like you spread too much FUD,oh and I have been a XP user since 2001 so know what I'm talking about,I can go back to good old DOS 6.22 if you like (now that was a simple OS,which came on 3 floppies).

Vista is pile of junk. XP's ram requirement is 64mb, 2000-32mb, 98-16mb, and 95-4mb. Vista requires a minimum of 1gb. That is 16x the requirement of XP. Yes, Vista is constantly scanning your pc for DRM, even if you don't have any. Please tell me what noticable difference DX10 brings because no games justify suffering with Vista. Vista, a secure OS? Wow, what a joke. It just asks you over and over again if you want to do a simple task. When Microsoft even admits that Vista is bad then you shouldn't try to defend it. XP combined the stability of 2000 with the features of ME and made a wonderful OS. Vista is an OS that is designed for computer illiterate people, just like Mac OSX.
 

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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
What do you guys see in Vista? It has nothing new in it. It wastes CPU cycles scanning for DRM. Its GUI eats up resources. In the end, it doesn't offer anything new other than a better partition editor which could be fixed with Gparted. I could care less about how the GUI looks, I use Linux all though command line for Pete's sake. Yes, I know I could switch off all the UI "improvements" but then what is the point of using Vista? Why would I pay money for new OS that offers nothing new? Vista is a resource hog and there is no denying that. DX 10 also offers nothing new since editing a config file in Crysis produced the same results. Honestly, I want 64-bit but I don't want Vista. How is Windows XP 64?

Do you know what you are talking about?...Vista is designed for today's hardware ,XP was released back in 2001,if you look at Win95/98, even XP back then(2001) was a resource hog compared to them.


DX10 you meantioned , no hack in the world on XP is the real thing,you forgot to meantion DX10.1 and even DX11 down the road for Vista/Windows 7,XP on the otherhand has no DX upgrade option its stuck on DX9.0c,so DX upgrade wise its dead.

You forgot to meantion all the real security benefits or improved memory handling Vista has, I could go but whats the point,people like you spread too much FUD,oh and I have been a XP user since 2001 so know what I'm talking about,I can go back to good old DOS 6.22 if you like (now that was a simple OS,which came on 3 floppies).

Vista is pile of junk. XP's ram requirement is 64mb, 2000-32mb, 98-16mb, and 95-4mb. Vista requires a minimum of 1gb. That is 16x the requirement of XP. Yes, Vista is constantly scanning your pc for DRM, even if you don't have any. Please tell me what noticable difference DX10 brings because no games justify suffering with Vista. Vista, a secure OS? Wow, what a joke. It just asks you over and over again if you want to do a simple task. When Microsoft even admits that Vista is bad then you shouldn't try to defend it. XP combined the stability of 2000 with the features of ME and made a wonderful OS. Vista is an OS that is designed for computer illiterate people, just like Mac OSX.

Good luck nowadays with XP with 64mb,I have one XP PC that has 256mb and it does not run that great at all even with 256mb(I'm not blaming XP since times and hardware have changed over the years,btw most users nowadays are on at least 512mb)as to rest of your comments typical uneducated reasoning and something I would expect from a troll.


Btw using your ram logic XP was released in 2001,Vista in 2007 so 6 year gap, your ram statement is 16x over 6 year period even though 512mb is official Vista minimum requirements but we won't argue that point.

Win95 to XP is 6 year gap,ram increase from 4mb to 64mb thats hmm 16x same as your XP to Vista statement , remember very few people run XP on 64mb nowadays.
 

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Why are you getting so upset over an OS? What I'm saying is factual I've remained civilized. Calling me a troll because I don't like Vista only makes you look bad. I've used Vista many times and I don't see why I should spend money on a product that wastes resources and is inefficient through its use of a DX9 GUI.
 

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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Why are you getting so upset over an OS? What I'm saying is factual I've remained civilized. Calling me a troll because I don't like Vista only makes you look bad. I've used Vista many times and I don't see why I should spend money on a product that wastes resources and is inefficient through its use of a DX9 GUI.

Quite simple you come out with unproven facts,as to being upset well last time I got upset was when good old DOS 6.22 was phased out(my favourite Microsoft OS).

Also if you bothered to read the other threads in this forum you would know that there are a lot of happy Vista users so I guess we are all wrong right?..You may not like Vista but that does not mean its junk.

I'm not upset just don't like to see unproven facts spread about Vista or any OS,I remember the FUD 2k users spread about XP,I bet you'll see same unproven crap spread about Windows 7 down the road.

Calling me a troll because I don't like Vista only makes you look bad.

Actually I said "typical uneducated reasoning and something I would expect from a troll" .Now if you think the shoe fits then thats your problem ,but usually the trolls will post the same old crap.
 

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Vista does not "constantly scan HDs for DRM" This is cock and bull.

And comparing the requirements of a 7 year old OS to a 1.5 year old OS is ludicrious. It's like comparing 7 year old video cards to new ones in current games.

You lose credibility with such statements.
 

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Originally posted by: nerp
Vista does not "constantly scan HDs for DRM" This is cock and bull.

And comparing the requirements of a 7 year old OS to a 1.5 year old OS is ludicrious. It's like comparing 7 year old video cards to new ones in current games.

You lose credibility with such statements.

Yes it does. What does a video card have to do with an OS? Vista came out almost two years ago and it required 1gb of RAM. It was rediculous then and it is now.

Will Windows Vista content protection features increase CPU resource consumption?

Yes. However, the use of additional CPU cycles is inevitable, as the PC provides consumers with additional functionality. Windows Vista's content protection features were developed to carefully balance the need to provide robust protection from commercial content while still enabling great new experiences such as HD-DVD or Blu-Ray playback.

http://windowsteamblog.com/blo...tions-and-answers.aspx

Apparently, Vista does a sweep of all computer hardware over 30 times every second to make sure no one is trying to leech a digital video signal through a modification. Besides taking up valuable computing cycles, this method also makes it harder for the computer to perform video decompression, especially in low-end graphics chips.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12...own-high-end-graphics/

Needless to say, this extremely CPU-intensive mechanism is a very painful way to provide protection for content, and this fact has been known for many years. Twenty years ago, in their work on the ABYSS security module, IBM researchers concluded that the use of encrypted buses as a protection mechanism was impractical.

In order to prevent active attacks, device drivers are required to poll the underlying hardware every 30ms for digital outputs and every 150 ms for analog ones to ensure that everything appears kosher. This means that even with nothing else happening in the system, a mass of assorted drivers has to wake up thirty times a second just to ensure that? nothing continues to happen (commenting on this mechanism, Leo Laporte in his Security Now podcast with Steve Gibson calls Vista ?an operating system that is insanely paranoid?).

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~...1/pubs/vista_cost.html

 

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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Originally posted by: nerp
Vista does not "constantly scan HDs for DRM" This is cock and bull.

And comparing the requirements of a 7 year old OS to a 1.5 year old OS is ludicrious. It's like comparing 7 year old video cards to new ones in current games.

You lose credibility with such statements.

Yes it does. What does a video card have to do with an OS? Vista came out almost two years ago and it required 1gb of RAM. It was rediculous then and it is now.

Will Windows Vista content protection features increase CPU resource consumption?

Yes. However, the use of additional CPU cycles is inevitable, as the PC provides consumers with additional functionality. Windows Vista's content protection features were developed to carefully balance the need to provide robust protection from commercial content while still enabling great new experiences such as HD-DVD or Blu-Ray playback.

http://windowsteamblog.com/blo...tions-and-answers.aspx

Apparently, Vista does a sweep of all computer hardware over 30 times every second to make sure no one is trying to leech a digital video signal through a modification. Besides taking up valuable computing cycles, this method also makes it harder for the computer to perform video decompression, especially in low-end graphics chips.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12...own-high-end-graphics/

Needless to say, this extremely CPU-intensive mechanism is a very painful way to provide protection for content, and this fact has been known for many years. Twenty years ago, in their work on the ABYSS security module, IBM researchers concluded that the use of encrypted buses as a protection mechanism was impractical.

In order to prevent active attacks, device drivers are required to poll the underlying hardware every 30ms for digital outputs and every 150 ms for analog ones to ensure that everything appears kosher. This means that even with nothing else happening in the system, a mass of assorted drivers has to wake up thirty times a second just to ensure that? nothing continues to happen (commenting on this mechanism, Leo Laporte in his Security Now podcast with Steve Gibson calls Vista ?an operating system that is insanely paranoid?).

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~...1/pubs/vista_cost.html

All these claims have been thoroughly debunked over 1 1/2 years ago by both Ed Bott and George Ou. Peter Gutmann has refused to even test his hypothesis in Vista. In fact, He has never seen or used Vista at the time of the writing of this paper.

Busting the FUD on Vista DRM

The FUD over Vista DRM will not die

Everything you read about Vista DRM is wrong part 1

Everything you read about Vista DRM is wrong part 2

Everything you read about Vista DRM is wrong part 3

Gutmann Vista DRM paper uses shoddy Web Forums as source

Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!

You are going to have to do much better than quoting Peter Gutmann if you want to credibly convince us that DRM slows Vista down.
 

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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
So instead of believing Peter Gutmann, I should believe Ed Bott. Wow, that's very convincing (sarcasm).

Uhh, yeah since Ed Bott is a actual Windows expert and has tons of credibility in the Windows technical community and the tech press. Gutmann HAS NEVER EVEN USED VISTA NOR TESTED HIS THEORIES ON THE ACTUAL OPERATING SYSTEM! Did I make that clear enough for you to even understand? Ed actually uses Vista and has actually tested Peter's theories and wrote extensively about the results. George OU (Another respected Windows expert by both the community and the press.) has verified those results, as have many of the commenters on the ZDNet blog.

Ed has a hell of a lot more credibility than Pete.
 

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Notable critics
Peter Gutmann, a computer security expert from the University of Auckland, New Zealand, has released a whitepaper[23] in which he raises the following concerns against these mechanisms:

Adding encryption facilities to devices makes them more expensive, a cost that is passed on to the user.
If outputs are not deemed sufficiently protected by the media industry, then even very expensive equipment can be required to be switched off (for example, S/PDIF-based, high-end audio cards).
Some newer high-definition monitors are not HDCP-enabled, even though the manufacturer may claim otherwise.
The added complexity makes systems less reliable.
Since non-protected media are not subject to the new restrictions, users may be encouraged to remove the protection in order to view them without restrictions, thus defeating the content protection scheme's initial purpose.
Protection mechanisms, such as disabling or degrading outputs, may be triggered erroneously or maliciously, motivating denial-of-service attacks.
Revoking the driver of a device that is in wide use is such a drastic measure that Gutmann doubts Microsoft will ever actually do so. On the other hand, they may be forced to because of their legal obligations to the movie studios.
Steve Gibson of Gibson Research Corporation has stated during his Security Now! show that he agrees with Peter Gutmann in principle and that what he proposes is a factually accurate description of what is found in the specification from Microsoft.[24]

The Free Software Foundation is conducting a campaign called "BadVista" against Vista on these grounds.

Apple Inc, Microsoft's major competitor, frequently made Vista a target of its "Get a Mac" advertising campaign.


[edit] Reaction to criticism
Ed Bott, author of Windows Vista Inside Out, has published a 3 part blog which rebuts many of Gutmann's claims.[25]

Ed Bott's criticisms can be summarized as follows:

Gutmann allegedly based his paper on outdated documentation from Microsoft and second-hand web sources.
Gutmann allegedly quotes selectively from the Microsoft specifications.
Gutmann allegedly did no experimental work with Vista to prove his theories. Rather, he makes mistaken assumptions and then speculates wildly on their implications.
Gutmann's paper, while presented as serious research, is really just an opinion piece.
Technology writer George Ou claims that Gutmann's paper relies on unreliable sources and that Gutmann has never used Windows Vista to test his theories.[26]

Gutmann has responded to both Bott and Ou in a further article.,[27] which states that the central thesis of Gutmann's article has not been refuted and the response of Bott is "disinformation"

Microsoft has published a blog entry with "Twenty Questions (and Answers)" on Windows Vista Content Protection, intending to refute some of Gutmann's arguments.[28]

Paul Smith, a Microsoft MVP, has written a response to Gutmann's paper in which he counters some of his arguments.[29] Specifically, he says:

Microsoft is not to blame for these measures. The company has been forced to do this by the movie studios.
The Protected Video Path will not be used for quite a while. There is said to be an agreement between Microsoft and Sony that Blu-Ray discs will not mandate protection until at least 2010, possibly even 2012.[30]
Vista does not degrade or refuse to play any existing media, CDs or DVDs. The protected data paths are only activated if protected content requires it.
Users of other operating systems such as Linux or Mac OS X will not have official access to this premium content.

I definitely see how Bott and Ou have more credibility considering they just make empty claims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...ital_rights_management
 

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Keep your head in the sand, if you want.

You can get 2GB of ram for $30 these days. What did 128 mb of ram cost in 2001? You just sound bitter and uninformed at this point. And there are people on this forum that actually work on Windows code itself and the whole DRM nonsense has long since been disproved.

Nobody gives a crap if you like Vista or not. We're not in the business of caring about people here on an OS forum. We will correct your outlandish claims and disprove assertions, however. So keep spewing innacurate information. It just makes you look pretty stupid.
 

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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Yes it does. What does a video card have to do with an OS? Vista came out almost two years ago and it required 1gb of RAM. It was rediculous then and it is now.

Why is it ridiculous for an OS to require 1GB of RAM? Given what people use their computers for, couldn't it be considered just as much requirement to at least get minimum responsiveness out of the OS? When I got my MacBook 2 years ago, it had 512MB RAM and that actually worked ok for a while. But then I started having about lots of different applications open at once (Word, Mail, Firefox, eMacs, XCode, Eclipse, Safari, Keynote, Pages, iCal, and a VM of XP Pro) and upped it to 1GB which is what I have been using for quite some time. It is quite a bit better under 1GB, but 2GB is even betterer, and is like $25 shipped... so I figured why not.

With RAM prices as low as they are, it shouldn't be a problem for PC OEMs to put 2+ GB into their system, easily negating your complaint.
 

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Originally posted by: nerp
Keep your head in the sand, if you want.

You can get 2GB of ram for $30 these days. What did 128 mb of ram cost in 2001? You just sound bitter and uninformed at this point. And there are people on this forum that actually work on Windows code itself and the whole DRM nonsense has long since been disproved.

Nobody gives a crap if you like Vista or not. We're not in the business of caring about people here on an OS forum. We will correct your outlandish claims and disprove assertions, however. So keep spewing innacurate information. It just makes you look pretty stupid.

I believe you are the ones that looks foolish by just spewing out attacks. I was replying to the thread and if you read the title my post fits right in. You haven't corrected any of my claims and haven't even provided a source. If you have a problem with me not liking Vista then you can get over it. If you have nothing productive to say then get off this thread.
 

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Originally posted by: TheStu
Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Yes it does. What does a video card have to do with an OS? Vista came out almost two years ago and it required 1gb of RAM. It was rediculous then and it is now.

Why is it ridiculous for an OS to require 1GB of RAM? Given what people use their computers for, couldn't it be considered just as much requirement to at least get minimum responsiveness out of the OS? When I got my MacBook 2 years ago, it had 512MB RAM and that actually worked ok for a while. But then I started having about lots of different applications open at once (Word, Mail, Firefox, eMacs, XCode, Eclipse, Safari, Keynote, Pages, iCal, and a VM of XP Pro) and upped it to 1GB which is what I have been using for quite some time. It is quite a bit better under 1GB, but 2GB is even betterer, and is like $25 shipped... so I figured why not.

With RAM prices as low as they are, it shouldn't be a problem for PC OEMs to put 2+ GB into their system, easily negating your complaint.

I don't care how much RAM costs, it is the principle. With DDR3, RAM is more expensive. I didn't force any of you Vista huggers to abandon it. I simply provided my input like every other forum member.
 

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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Originally posted by: TheStu
Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Yes it does. What does a video card have to do with an OS? Vista came out almost two years ago and it required 1gb of RAM. It was rediculous then and it is now.

Why is it ridiculous for an OS to require 1GB of RAM? Given what people use their computers for, couldn't it be considered just as much requirement to at least get minimum responsiveness out of the OS? When I got my MacBook 2 years ago, it had 512MB RAM and that actually worked ok for a while. But then I started having about lots of different applications open at once (Word, Mail, Firefox, eMacs, XCode, Eclipse, Safari, Keynote, Pages, iCal, and a VM of XP Pro) and upped it to 1GB which is what I have been using for quite some time. It is quite a bit better under 1GB, but 2GB is even betterer, and is like $25 shipped... so I figured why not.

With RAM prices as low as they are, it shouldn't be a problem for PC OEMs to put 2+ GB into their system, easily negating your complaint.

I don't care how much RAM costs, it is the principle. With DDR3, RAM is more expensive. I didn't force any of you Vista huggers to abandon it. I simply provided my input like every other forum member.

For one thing, the minimum requirements for Vista is 512MB. For another thing, again... look at what people are using their system for. So, you put 512MB into Vista (which I have done in a VM, and although usable... with 1 program open, you wouldn't want to always run that way) and you have enough to run the OS, and some apps, especially if you turn off Aero. So, you can run the OS on 512, not too hard to do. Now, let's say you start surfing the web, and have a lot of tabs open. Or decide to play some music, or watch a movie. That 512MB will get eaten up pretty quickly... on any system, even XP or OS X, or probably Linux.

That is why the recommended amount is 1GB and most individual builders swear by 2GB or more. Vista uses more RAM (hence the ever popular saying "unused RAM is wasted RAM") on a regular basis so that it can pre-cache certain things that you use. Drive indexing takes up some RAM, but once the initial large indexing takes place that is for the most part released.

So, I think that your desire to have a current OS have a requirement less than 1GB to be just as ridiculous.

On your system, right now.. which has, based on your sig, 2GB RAM, how much are you currently using, and what are you doing?
 

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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Originally posted by: TheStu
Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Yes it does. What does a video card have to do with an OS? Vista came out almost two years ago and it required 1gb of RAM. It was rediculous then and it is now.

Why is it ridiculous for an OS to require 1GB of RAM? Given what people use their computers for, couldn't it be considered just as much requirement to at least get minimum responsiveness out of the OS? When I got my MacBook 2 years ago, it had 512MB RAM and that actually worked ok for a while. But then I started having about lots of different applications open at once (Word, Mail, Firefox, eMacs, XCode, Eclipse, Safari, Keynote, Pages, iCal, and a VM of XP Pro) and upped it to 1GB which is what I have been using for quite some time. It is quite a bit better under 1GB, but 2GB is even betterer, and is like $25 shipped... so I figured why not.

With RAM prices as low as they are, it shouldn't be a problem for PC OEMs to put 2+ GB into their system, easily negating your complaint.

I don't care how much RAM costs, it is the principle. With DDR3, RAM is more expensive. I didn't force any of you Vista huggers to abandon it. I simply provided my input like every other forum member.

The point is every new operating system requires more ram.
95 and 98 flyed with 32 - 64Mb of ram
XP and sp1 needed 128 to 256Mb.
XP sp2 needed at least 512 - 1gig to be not a sloth
Vista needs 1 gig - 2 gig to be fully usable

You should of started whining about your principal a long time ago. And ram back in those days was a lot more expecive than DDR3.

The DRM stuff is only used when your playing the content, and if you didn't have it it wont play in the first place, so really what's your point?


 

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Okay everyone, I'm really really sorry that you have such a horrible OS, I'm really sorry that you've been convinced it's good and you defend it. But most of all, I'm really sorry you've wasted your money. Your number one Vista is a bad OS fan, WaitingforNehalem.
 

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Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Okay everyone, I'm really really sorry that you have such a horrible OS, I'm really sorry that you've been convinced it's good and you defend it. But most of all, I'm really sorry you've wasted your money. Your number one Vista is a bad OS fan, WaitingforNehalem.

You are not winning your arguement with remarks like that,btw for the record my favourite Microsoft OS is or I should say was DOS 6.22(I won't bore you or other members here with details why),however nothing lasts forever.
 

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I'm a full time mac user. I have a vista machine at home and I actually enjoy it. I have not had any crashes on it. It runs fast and plays all my games. It has 2 gigs of ram and a 8600gt in it (amd64 4400). I tried vista 64 on my work machine, but the drivers were not ready yet, so it runs linux with no problems.

I prefer my mac, but I have seen no problems or faults in vista that do not exist in xp.
 

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Originally posted by: sourceninja
I'm a full time mac user. I have a vista machine at home and I actually enjoy it. I have not had any crashes on it. It runs fast and plays all my games. It has 2 gigs of ram and a 8600gt in it (amd64 4400). I tried vista 64 on my work machine, but the drivers were not ready yet, so it runs linux with no problems.

I prefer my mac, but I have seen no problems or faults in vista that do not exist in xp.

Whoo, Mac Represent!

In other news, I use Vista because I have a free license for it, and XP64 apparently sucks when it comes to finding drivers
 

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Originally posted by: TheStu
Whoo, Mac Represent!

In other news, I use Vista because I have a free license for it, and XP64 apparently sucks when it comes to finding drivers

I don't understand why there are so many people that find it so hard to believe that a person can like and use both OSX and Vista. I know several people that not only like both, but use both frequently.
 

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: TheStu
Whoo, Mac Represent!

In other news, I use Vista because I have a free license for it, and XP64 apparently sucks when it comes to finding drivers

I don't understand why there are so many people that find it so hard to believe that a person can like and use both OSX and Vista. I know several people that not only like both, but use both frequently.

I use ubuntu linux on my workstation, osx on my personal notebook, xp on my work notebook (probably going to try ubuntu on it now that 8.10 fixes a problem I had), and vista on my old personal destkop (the machine I listed above). My wife has xp on her work machine and vista on her personal machine with a macbook running osX that is slowly becoming her main computer.

I also have a solaris 10 workstation at work (our management system) and numerous windows 2003, linux, and solaris servers.
 

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: TheStu
Whoo, Mac Represent!

In other news, I use Vista because I have a free license for it, and XP64 apparently sucks when it comes to finding drivers

I don't understand why there are so many people that find it so hard to believe that a person can like and use both OSX and Vista. I know several people that not only like both, but use both frequently.

Most of what I do with my systems, I prefer doing in OS X. For gaming, and file storage... that all falls to the desktop because I can add hard drives, and replace components to give better frame rates. The desktop needed an OS. I have never had good luck with Linux, so I resorted to WIndows. Vista was free to me, so I installed it. I don't hate it, not one bit. I actually sort of like it. I think that it did a lot of things that needed to be done to Windows.

I still think that Microsoft should scrap Windows altogether and start fresh, finally banish the legacy code to the recycle bin