That's the thing. It's one thing to make claims based on theories and potentially misunderstanding the information. It's another thing to actually test your theories with the actual software.
The fact that Gutmann never used the OS and even refuses to even try it at the very least should make people question the validity of his theories.
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We defend the OS because you are blaming user error on Vista. Saying it is beta quality at best is absolutely ridiculous.
He was the darling of Digg and /. for a few months until he refused to even test his theories and lost any shred of credibility. Then the man has the audacity to attack those personally who even dared to actually put his theories to the test and in turn proved the guy a fraud. After that episode, the majority of the Vista detractors quit using this guy's theories and moved on.
Every now and then you get some guy like Waiting that never got the message that Gutmann is a fraud and they try to throw out his work as proof that DRM is slowing down Vista. (DRM has nothing to do with Vista being slower than XP. In fact most benchmarks show performance differences on actual applications between XP and Vista are almost non-existent.) What is funny is instead of actually taking the time to read those links I posted, Waiting just dismissed Ed and George immediately, without even knowing who these guys actually are and why he might just want to pay attention to what they are saying about Vista and DRM.
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Another tip for Vista users How to delete the Windows.old folder ,you'll be surprised how much space you get back.
That would be a major headache with all the Microsoft software thats available.
That would be a major headache with all the Microsoft software thats available.
Yes, it would. But I think Microsoft is a company that could financially weather that headache. They could put out Windows 7 or 8.... and then put out a completely new OS. One that isn't called Windows.
To keep people happy, they could emulate older version in the userspace. So, that is where the legacy would be handled. Then as developers realize that they need to get on the ball, you start to phase out support.
It is almost the exact same strategy that Apple took with OS X. They released 10.0 and then promptly released 10.1 because 10.0 was buggy. Up until 10.3 they were including something called Classic that would emulate OS 9 software in OS X. 10.4 was the first one publicly released in an Intel version, and the intel CPU cannot emulate OS 9. So 10.4 was the first one to not have Classic installed by default. 10.5 is now out, and Classic isn't even on the installation disk.
Microsoft cannot scrap too much out of the ?Windows? family at the same time, it must be done gradually. The user base is far too large. For example, they removed support for the Game Port in Vista and people were condemning them thoroughly, especially in the Creative forums.
16-bit support is out of x64 versions so at least that is a start towards getting rid of legacy components.
16-bit support is out of x64 versions so at least that is a start towards getting rid of legacy components.
Originally posted by: Mem
Bah !!!!!...I want Windows 8 eta 2012.
Windows 7 RTM mid-2009!
http://www.dailytech.com/Micro...ogram/article13378.htm
Mem
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Originally posted by: jaredpace
Originally posted by: Mem
Bah !!!!!...I want Windows 8 eta 2012
Windows 7 RTM mid-2009!
http://www.dailytech.com/Micro...ogram/article13378.htm
Nothing about Windows 8
,I can wait .
Then grow a pair yourself and prove me wrong. The problem is you can't because it is the absolute truth. You can't call somebody on something you are not willing to go through the trouble and prove/disprove what they said.
Edit: Never mind, I see you are calling Waiting out not me lol. I need to brush up on my reading comprehension skills.
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Well with the research I've been doing it seems Peter Gutmann hasn't been using Vista. He says all his information is from slides. Honestly though, I really don't care about this whole arguement because Vista still doesn't offer anything over XP.
Except for better security, DirectX 10 (maybe DirectX 11 too, not sure if that will be reserved for Windows 7 though), an update to the driver model, better 64 bit support, better pre-emptive multi-tasking in the form of Superfetch, the ability to use jump drives as added swap space (faster than a hard drive, though admittedly slower than RAM) with ReadyBoost (though really only useful on systems with 2GB or less) and other improvements.
XP is a 7 year old OS that has had service pack after service pack issued to extend its functionality (SATA support, drives larger than 137GB support, USB 2.0 support, wireless support, tablet support, the list goes on).
Now listen, I am not particularly fond of either. I use a Mac. I like and prefer to use OS X for all my day-to-day tasks. However, I also have a desktop that I use for gaming, so that needs Windows. I had an XP license, but figured why let my Vista license go to waste so installed that recently. Very easy install. Almost all my drivers were set up for me (I think that ethernet and graphics had to be updated, but they were both correctly identified) the correct res was set for me, and it has worked just fine since then. On an XP install, I have gorwn accustomed to the 1 hour or more spent after an install getting drivers/updates. That is even on a disk that has the latest SP on it.
Honestly though, I really don't care about this whole argument because XP still doesn't offer anything over Win 98.
Well, DX11 certainly looks interesting as it is supposed offer GPU off loading. Especially useful as core counts on GPUs have started reaching ridiculous values.
The bolded part from my quote is actually directed at Waiting. He is saying that Vista doesn't offer anything over XP. I listed where he was wrong. I then finished with an equally ignorant statement, that XP doesn't offer anything over Win 98.
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TheStu, first of all I feel sorry for you using OSX. What a useless, proprietary, stolen BSD that is designed for computer illiterate people. I don't know how you enjoy not having competetion, choice, and the ability to upgrade your machine. Imagine if Apple was the only computer maker in the world, no one could do anything about their pricing. Second of all, I don't think you remember Windows 98. I still have it installed on two older pc's and I can't believe how horrible it is. Lack of drivers, instability, DOS based, terrible networking, and many, many more problems are found in 98. Windows 2000, has stability and is an overall good OS, but it lacks the features that make XP so great such as fantastic driver support, system restore, networking, native wifi, much more intuitive nicer GUI, and many more improvements.
Yea, I really hate it when my stolen, useless, proprietary OS that is designed for illiterate people lets me fire up Terminal to make any change that I want.
I hate it when I have the utter lack of choice to put any OS I want onto my laptop.
I hate it that I can surf the web with impunity since I know that there are no viruses out for OS X (maybe a trojan or two, but no viruses. And I literally mean, a trojan or two)
I hate that my MacBook became more responsive and capable when I upgraded from 10.4 to 10.5.
I hate that I can easily upgrade the RAM and hard drive in my laptop JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER F*CKING LAPTOP ON THE PLANET. The 'You can't upgrade your system' argument is weak, pointless and completely and totally bunk when you consider the fact that most users never upgrade their systems. At least not much. They might put in a larger hard drive, or more memory. But not everyone needs to have the ability to completely tear their system apart and replace any and every component.
I bought my MacBook because it was the cheapest thing on the market at the time for what I got (Dual core, 13" screen, decent battery life, gigabit ethernet, and the ability to run every OS under the sun... LEGALLY). You don't need to feel sorry for me, I sure don't. And I don't feel sorry for you that you are running whatever OS it is that you run. I do feel sorry that you are an ignorant slob that doesn't know how to do research and actually base your statements in fact.
Give Vista an honest try and you might find that you have been wrong. Hell, give OS X a try for more than 15 minutes (and remember that Command = CTRL) and again, you might like it. Stop being an ignorant bug-bear that can't get over himself.
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Maybe there aren't any viruses because there is a 6% user base. That does make sense doesn't it? When you upgrade your RAM you have to use this "special" RAM. I couldn't imagine Apple allowing its customers to use regular RAM. Have you ever considered linux? It introduces a concept called OPEN. It is a complete turn around from your closed system and you'll probably be shocked at first that you don't have to pay Apple for everything. The terminal was finally included in 2000 when OSX came out after every other OS had one for almost 10 years. Yeah, they had to steal a BSD to include it, pretty sad. Prior to Intel processors and Apple Bootcamp, you couldn't install another OS besides some Linux distros since it was based on PowerPC. If I really wanted to experience a mac then I could just clone a BSD to look exactly like it since that is all it is: a fancy looking BSD.
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