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Vista SP1 Final - Available to the Public Now ?

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Originally posted by: hclarkjr
stash and others do you notice a difference with service pack 1 installed? is it worth the hassle to install? be honest 🙂

I don't really notice much of a difference. Apps appear to open faster, but I don't think they do. It looks to me like they sped up the open window animation to give the illusion of speed. I think I like the way it used to be better. You got more of a chance to enjoy the animation :^)
 
Originally posted by: hclarkjr
after running the cmd how long till it shows up on windows update?

Since the download links are all dead, I presumed the WU ability to download it was removed as well...
 
I just followed the Slickdeals.net instructions above and SP1 is downloading for me right now via WU, so MS hasn't disabled it yet.

If you create the .cmd file by C&Ping the text above there are two places you have to edit to remove an extraneous space that occurs between Curr entVersion. If you don't remove those spaces the registry won't be updated properly.
 
I'm downloading SP1 from WU as I type this.

I thought I would give Vista another try after SP1 was released, so the next couple weeks will decide if I stay with XP or not.
 
all is well so far, not any noticeable changes. One amusing thing is that all my HP printer driver defaults got changed after install. My L7580 was printing everything reversed in landscape mode in greyscale. Lol.
 
Originally posted by: Finalnight
One amusing thing is that all my HP printer driver defaults got changed after install. My L7580 was printing everything reversed in landscape mode in greyscale. Lol.

Every time I've installed SP1, there's been some oddities!

With 'Refresh 2' my video res was changed from 1280x1024 -> 1024x768 😀

No big deal!
 
Originally posted by: hclarkjr
after running the cmd how long till it shows up on windows update?

You have to install all the "Important" or "Critical" unrelated updates offered from Windows Update first.

Once those are done and the registry changes are made via the batch file, it should appear within about 20 minutes if you re-check for updates.

Sorry there were extra spaces / line feeds in a couple of places in the bacth files I pasted due to the way the forum text entry happened. If that was not corrected it would not likely offer you the updates at all until you fix that and re-run the batch file, then re-run Windows Update.

 
Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
Once those are done and the registry changes are made via the batch file, it should appear within about 20 minutes if you re-check for updates.

A word of warning...

If you're uninstalling a previous version of Vista SP1, then installing 'Refresh 2' - make sure you wait for at least an hour before updating. Why?

Vista can take an hour to "clean up and complete the uninstall", even after you *think* it's done... 😉
 
Originally posted by: VinDSL
Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
Once those are done and the registry changes are made via the batch file, it should appear within about 20 minutes if you re-check for updates.

A word of warning...

If you're uninstalling a previous version of Vista SP1, then installing 'Refresh 2' - make sure you wait for at least an hour before updating. Why?

Vista can take an hour to "clean up and complete the uninstall", even after you *think* it's done... 😉

True. I've seen that suggested in the Microsoft docs.

What I did when I wanted to get an idea if a stage of installation / uninstallation may have finished (being a little impatient and daring) was to open the resource monitor and watch my CPU / Disk activity.
When the CPU activity and Disk activity became virtually completely zero for the better part of several minutes at a time, I assumed it was done doing whatever it needed to do. Then, in the case of unistalling, I rebooted, waited until the system seemed idle (as before), and proceeded with the installation.

Then again my system is faster than normal at installing / uninstalling, and I have most things like indexing turned off so I have a better liklihood of it being "quiet" when idle and done "soon" in any case. YMMV.

Oh another word of warning:
IF YOU USE A 3RD PARTY ANTI-VIRUS / ANTI-SPYWARE TYPE PROGRAM, IT'S BEST TO TURN THEM *OFF* WHILE INSTALLING / UNINSTALLING THE SERVICE PACK. Just in case they interfere with the installer getting permission to change the system. I assume the native Microsoft tools are "OK" to leave enabled since they presumably know how to work around their own software. YMMV.

 
I did the batch CMD line and was offered and installed RC1 after installing all the other updates. Is this right? (x64 Business Vista copy)

EDIT: Guess so, I am seeing the same "RTM" line in the reg files as previous posted in a screenshot
 
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
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Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
I did the batch CMD line and was offered and installed RC1 after installing all the other updates. Is this right? (x64 Business Vista copy)

EDIT: Guess so, I am seeing the same "RTM" line in the reg files as previous posted in a screenshot

Sounds good. As long as you got KB936330 you should be OK.
It was kind of confusing because there were like TWO DIFFERENT updates called "...vista...sp1...", the first of which I guess was a prerequisite installer. So you had to install that one, THEN go BACK through WU and get the next / different "vista....sp1" update, and that (KB936330) was the main one.

As long as your WU comes up empty of anything relevant after an hour / day, you have everything you need.

Of course just yesterday (Tuesday) there were several new critical updates.... I hope those are available for this SP1, I'll find out in about 2 minutes....

EDIT: Oops I guess there weren't any patch tuesday updates for Vista itself on 12 February, I was mistaken. It seems they're all for XP, Office, and other things.


 
Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
Oops I guess there weren't any patch tuesday updates for Vista itself on 12 February...

Heh!

WRONG! Or, not!

To be fair, it all depends on how you look at it, I suppose...

The larger point being, 'Refresh 2' IS updating itself, via WU, unlike all other versions of SP1! Why?

'Refresh 2' = 'SP1 Final'!

And, before someone asks, I tried to screw up the 'Refresh 2' install by pulling the network cable out of my router several times - just wanted to see if I could bork it... 😉

Hrm...

I wonder if regular Vista users got critical updates yesterday?!?!?
 
people with service pack 1 did not need the updates released on tuesday, there was an article somewhere i read about it. i will try and find it. i wish people would finally admit this is the final as i am convinced it is. i downloaded a full retail image with it integrated and were it says what version windows you have it does not say anything about it expiring or being beta or nothing, just service pack 1 and that my windows is activated.
 
Despite what I've read on a thousand different forums, I'm not going to assume any version of the SP1 is official until it shows up on my Windows Update or the Microsoft Download Center. I've read a ton of problems people are having after installing SP1 and every time it's always some sort of SP1 Refresh. I'm going to play it safe and not bother with an MD5 and comparing build numbers...instead I'm going to go on about my business and check WU periodically. Until anything official from Microsoft emerges, I suggest everyone else do the same.

Of course, you could always make a Ghost image if your machine and screw around with SP1 Refresh, but with the final so close there's really no point.😉
 
Originally posted by: vanzant
Despite what I've read on a thousand different forums, I'm not going to assume any version of the SP1 is official until it shows up on my Windows Update or the Microsoft Download Center. I've read a ton of problems people are having after installing SP1 and every time it's always some sort of SP1 Refresh. I'm going to play it safe and not bother with an MD5 and comparing build numbers...instead I'm going to go on about my business and check WU periodically. Until anything official from Microsoft emerges, I suggest everyone else do the same.

Of course, you could always make a Ghost image if your machine and screw around with SP1 Refresh, but with the final so close there's really no point.😉

I agree, though I'll point out that I got both my SP1 (RC0, and RC2-REFRESH) directly and officially FROM Microsoft Windows Update, so there's no real 3rd party malware risk for those that do it that way, just risk of instability / wasted time.

If your system is running fine the way you use it right now, sure, just apply the important / critical security patches and otherwise wait 1-2 months for a "final" SP1 Windows Update to get all the non-security related "fixes" (which are the main benefit of SP1 versus just getting the Windows Update security type fixes).

Anyone who installs a pre-SP1 version now MIGHT eventually want to / have to uninstall it and upgrade to a "final version" and that'll take about 1-2 hours even if all goes smoothly.

Then again with the monthly updates and regular maintenance that's needed, you pretty much have to spend about 1-2 hours a month MINIMUM doing things like applying updates, installing / removing software, rebooting, defragging, etc. So as long as it's not much worse than that I'll try it out.

Anyone who EVER installs SP1 of any version MIGHT have some problems with stability because of doing so, but that's the risk you take with installing any new software. Overall one has to assess if the possible benefits outweight the possible risks.

The bottom line is unless you have the practice and competence to back up your PC of all useful data / settings and are PREPARED for the day WHEN (not IF) something in software or hardware makes it not work, eventually SOME action or INACTION will cause you massive pain / loss.

If it's just a matter of being experimental / curious / cautious about your approach to upgrades, well, to each their own. Personally I'm just kicking the tires of Vista, using it for a few things that I need to do that have to be done on either XP or Vista, and evaluating how well it works for me to decide on future actions (going back to XP or whatever). If Vista SP1 bombs, well, I gave it a try, I'll not use it for serious work until maybe I decide to check in again at SP2 time. If it works, great, I'll get on with using it more often.

There are enough KNOWN BROKEN things about Vista RTM pre-SP1, though, that I'm not brave enough to want to even use it that way and set myself up for unnecessary amounts of instability / brokenness / pain, so EVENTUALLY installing SP1/SP2/whatever when that's convenient and safe is a no-brainer.

 
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