I think a lot of the rumors going around that Vista is slower than XP in gaming is based entirely on DX10 vx. DX9 performance. If you run DX9 games on Vista vs. DX9 games on XP, there's virtually no difference.
if you do have SP1 it's not the final version. there is a release canidate out from last month but FINAL is yet to come. If it was out it would be all over the tech news sites and I'd be able to find it for download easily.
Those are the only two issues I currently have with Vista. I really hope that we see improvements on the final release of SP1. However, I gotta say that the slow HD read speeds might not matter as much as they normally would since so much of what is read from the HD for software that is regularly used should be cached thanks to SuperFetch. At least, that is how it is supposed to work. I am anxious to see some well done benchmarks after the final release of SP1.
I wonder how reliable those benchmark tests are? I do not regularly visit that site so I am not aware of their credibility.
Holy cow, network file transfers suck balls. Won't be "upgrading" my office to Vista anytime soon, that's for sure.
Oyeve
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XP SP2 still my main game platform. I have Vista Home Premium is 32 or 64 but have not installed yet as I really dont see a need to. Tested Vista 32 and 64 without activating and IMO DX10 still has a ways to go before I fully switch over. Im not anti Vista, just waiting for the right time.
On my system I built back in May of 07, I installed Vista Business. IMO, I think it runs a lot better than XP with everything, especially games. But although, it just may be my new hardware that I love. 
DX10 is in pretty good shape. However, the game devs, engine devs, and driver devs need more time to learn how to develop their stuff with DX10 in mind. That is the main issue with DX10 right now I believe. There have even been game patches released for some titles where using DX10 actually ran with higher frame rates than using DX9 when an Nvidia card is used. One example is Hellgate London at the release of patch 0.5 where these benchmarks were taken. This is not common by any means yet, but I hope it becomes standard eventually.
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I use XP but my guess is that gaming on the different OS's is just like built in sound vs sound card, very few people will notice the difference or care enough
arredondo
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Vista has been the most terrible OS experience I've ever had. Even my first new rig a long time ago, a Windows ME setup, was more reliable than this crap. I had none of the problems with that as opposed to what I'm experiencing now. I'm on the fence about switching to XP but will decide after SP1 is fully released. A few of my problems...
- Hooked up to my HDTV home theater setup, Vista's new way of processing sound in games means I get almost zero bass when I'm playing (six RCA analog connections). I've tried different cards and configurations, but it is a total joke. Nothing works, nor have I read confirmation on the internet that someone else can do it.
- I have to reboot Vista 2-3 times a day because it won't completely end the process when browsing the 'net or exiting a game sometimes, which prevents me from loading it up again. Why not go to task manager and end the process from there you may ask? Because in Vista, 95% of the time selecting "end process" on a frozen program does not work, and the system even tells me that I'll likely need to reboot! This frustrates me to no end.
- In all my games, there is little if any noticable improvement from DX10. I have CoD4, Orange Box and other games.
There are more issues, not all related to gaming, but my advice to the OP asking this question: stay as far away from Vista as you possibly can. There is no significant advantage it has that XP doesn't already comfortably handle just fine.
- Hooked up to my HDTV home theater setup, Vista's new way of processing sound in games means I get almost zero bass when I'm playing (six RCA analog connections). I've tried different cards and configurations, but it is a total joke. Nothing works, nor have I read confirmation on the internet that someone else can do it.
- I have to reboot Vista 2-3 times a day because it won't completely end the process when browsing the 'net or exiting a game sometimes, which prevents me from loading it up again. Why not go to task manager and end the process from there you may ask? Because in Vista, 95% of the time selecting "end process" on a frozen program does not work, and the system even tells me that I'll likely need to reboot! This frustrates me to no end.
- In all my games, there is little if any noticable improvement from DX10. I have CoD4, Orange Box and other games.
There are more issues, not all related to gaming, but my advice to the OP asking this question: stay as far away from Vista as you possibly can. There is no significant advantage it has that XP doesn't already comfortably handle just fine.
I just upgraded from 2gb to 4gb of ram and a HD3870. I had WinXP 32bit and didnt want the nightmare of XP 64bit so I went ahead and (against all of my common sense) installed Vista x64. Only problem I have is that my raid drivers (that the OS is installed on) aren't digitally signed or whatnot. So every time I boot (admitedly not often) I have to disable digital driver signing. Beyond that, everything has worked great so far.
Why do you have to do that every time you boot?
I use a custom monitor driver that is not WHQL certified, but the only time XP ever complained about it was when I actually installed it.
I use a custom monitor driver that is not WHQL certified, but the only time XP ever complained about it was when I actually installed it.
I don't like what MS did with sound in Vista either, but there's not much you can do about this other than getting yourself an X-Fi or Auzen X-Fi or something. Poor bass is always something I've had issue with for onboard sound and that hasn't changed much although my latest Azalia HD onboard does actually have a bass crossover slider, although its not nearly as good as the X-Fi's Bass with slider + equalizer. Add to that really poor positional sound in games with onboard (its basically stereo upmixed to 6+ channels) and the X-Fi is really the only choice for gaming in Vista (EAX support through OpenAL or ALchemy).
This isn't normal...I'd look into possibly a driver/hardware conflict or a bad stick of RAM.
It'd help if you ran a DX10 game or one that was meant to show a noticeable difference.
COD4 is DX9, it looks amazing yes, but still DX9. Orange Box doesn't offer any graphical improvements with DX10, just uses it to speed up a few features. CoH, WiC, LOTRO, Crysis all have nice eye candy improvements with DX10 enabled. When SS are compared side by side differences are extremely obvious.
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I tried X-Fi... same bass problems as my Audigy SE when it comes to gaming. The other card you mention has enough bad writeups as a gaming card at newegg that I won't even waste my time. If this issue alone could be solved, I'd grudgingly stick with Vista.
I'd also LOVE a reliable way to kill a hung process in Vista. I've searched the internet and while I'm not alone with this problem, there are no solutions except to reboot.
I'd also LOVE a reliable way to kill a hung process in Vista. I've searched the internet and while I'm not alone with this problem, there are no solutions except to reboot.
Hmmm, you increased Bass Redirect frequency in Creative Console Launcher? Keep in mind, they only recently added a working Console for Vista to their website recently; previously you had to request it.
Between the Redirect and the Equalizer I have to turn down the Bass volume on my Subwoofer. Also, if you were playing older games you would need to use ALchemy to get EAX and similar sound to what you were experiencing in XP. In games that don't support OpenAL, EAX or ALchemy it does tend to sound worst than in XP, but its better than nothing.
As for the hung processes...again something isn't right there. Should really look into the cause of the problem (app, hardware or driver conflict probably). What apps are hanging requiring them to be manually killed? If anything Vista is much better about closing down problematic apps/drivers without crashing the entire system than XP is.
Vista for anything, including gaming. Show me a current benchmark showing that XP is faster than Vista by more than like 1% and I'll eat it.
I'm so sick of the anti-Vista bandwagon, there's no reason to it other than that things are laid out differently and people can't stand that. It takes a little more memory to run but what 7-year old piece of software wouldn't if it was updated?
I'm so sick of the anti-Vista bandwagon, there's no reason to it other than that things are laid out differently and people can't stand that. It takes a little more memory to run but what 7-year old piece of software wouldn't if it was updated?
Originally posted by: CP5670
Why do you have to do that every time you boot?
I use a custom monitor driver that is not WHQL certified, but the only time XP ever complained about it was when I actually installed it.
XP doesnt complain. Only Vista x64 requires all of its drivers to be signed in order to boot. Only way to get around it is press f8 while booting and select the disable button.
arredondo
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I've spent literally hours trying to solve the subwoofer problem but nothing works. I've tried the stuff you mentioned in varoious ways but still bass is weak when gaming. It is fine in other modes. Remember, I am going through my Home Theater audio setup, not a standard PC audio setup (where I'm sure it would work fine).
As for the process hang up, obviously Microsoft is aware of it since it even pops up a help box saying I need to close hl2.exe or reboot my system before it loads it up again (i.e. occassionally after a game of Team Fortress 2). It happens more often when browsing the internet via Firefox at various websites. No, nothing illegal or weird but normal sites, like Gamefaqs or the ESPN NBA page.
As for the process hang up, obviously Microsoft is aware of it since it even pops up a help box saying I need to close hl2.exe or reboot my system before it loads it up again (i.e. occassionally after a game of Team Fortress 2). It happens more often when browsing the internet via Firefox at various websites. No, nothing illegal or weird but normal sites, like Gamefaqs or the ESPN NBA page.
As another poster has already mentioned, it sounds like most of these issues are not really Vista related since there are thousands and thousands of people doing exactly what you are doing with Vista and do not have these issues. I have not encountered your "end process" issues at all and I believe the DX10 improvements have already been covered here. In terms of your bass problems, is there a reason why you are sticking with your Home Theater audio setup? What exactly do you mean by that anyways. Are you talking about both a hardware and software setup or just software?
Mem
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Originally posted by: legoman666
Originally posted by: CP5670
Why do you have to do that every time you boot?
I use a custom monitor driver that is not WHQL certified, but the only time XP ever complained about it was when I actually installed it.
XP doesnt complain. Only Vista x64 requires all of its drivers to be signed in order to boot. Only way to get around it is press f8 while booting and select the disable button.
It does not have to be a WHQL driver,only a signed driver for Vista x64,remember there are plenty of beta signed drivers that are not WHQL.
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: legoman666
Originally posted by: CP5670
Why do you have to do that every time you boot?
I use a custom monitor driver that is not WHQL certified, but the only time XP ever complained about it was when I actually installed it.
XP doesnt complain. Only Vista x64 requires all of its drivers to be signed in order to boot. Only way to get around it is press f8 while booting and select the disable button.
It does not have to be a WHQL driver,only a signed driver for Vista x64,remember there are plenty of beta signed drivers that are not WHQL.
I think the one I use is unsigned as well, since I edited it manually. I hope there is some way to disable this in Vista, maybe through a registry edit or something. I would find it pretty annoying if I had to hold down some key every time I restarted the machine.
arredondo
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In my search for answers, I've come across a ton of people who have had similar problems, particularly with not being able to use end process in the task manager. It isn't just me.
As for the Home Theater setup, I am specifcally referring to the fact that my PC audio card is routed to my HT Onkyo 604 A/V receiver for 5.1 surround sound, which supports my 1080P gaming/browsing on my 60" HDTV. I am not using a computer speaker setup, which is why I make sure to point this out. Apparently, computer audio systems are setup differently so I wouldn't have this problem if I used it. However regular HT audio setups through Vista seem to be screwed up, and I can't find any info on someone who successfully gets decent bass while gaming this way.
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