Vista Beta 2 released

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remagavon

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Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: Brian2k1
All I can say is WOW! The GUI is phenomenal the Aero glass them is so slick. I also love the windows sidebar and the all the cool gadgets. I just know there will be some awesome plugins in the future. Best of all is Vista includes MEDIA CENTER! I was just so impressed when it first booted up. Ignore the nay sayers, no one ever wants to say anything good about microsoft, it helps one justify why the didn't pay for any of the MS software to begin with. Once you go vista I gurantee you won't use XP again.

I wasn't trying to justify piracy. The OS has some severe problems which I hope will be corrected by RTM. I read elsewhere that Vista is now 'feature complete' and that they're focusing on bugfixes, which would be a big dissapointment. (Well, bugfixes are great but I would like to see some more things added).



I Haven't used vista yet.. i will this weekend :)

But what else would you like to see in it that it doesn't already have?

Like I said, more osx-esque features. I'm not saying it needs to be destroyed and built up again, but honestly it just seems like XP with a 3d accelerated GUI, that lacks a lot of the useful aspects of OSX (i.e. expose, intuitive drag&drop etc). The rolodex type windows+tab is nice looking, but it's honestly pretty useless, whereas expose actually added functionality to the OS. Similarly, the glass UI is nice looking, but again it doesn't do anything other than looks nice, and the blinding effect when you open windows gets a bit old after so many prompts.

As far as windows features go, I would like to be able to authenticate when I log in absolutely, and never be prompted for a security 'ok'. This has become more of a problem in the recent 10.4 release of osx (read Anand's review), but it's been taken to a new high with Vista. I literally got prompted with 'are you sure' (or the equivilent) 5 times within 2 minutes or so. Really, really annoying.

The start menu is nice in theory, but it actually takes just as long or maybe even slightly longer for the tree to expand and find what I want to open. Literally searching in the start menu (typing to open a program) is ridiculous and I can't imagine who could possibly think that's a good idea. The power users that use cmd line keys in the run menu (i.e. calc, winword, etc) don't need that search box there, and the average joe doesn't either. Like I said, it's just simply ackward.

Some options it seems like I don't have to hit 'apply' for them to take, which is a nice step (and a good feature of osx). However, like I said everything isn't uniform and parts of the OS have 'apply' buttons everywhere, followed by prompts of 'are you sure?' They need to make up their mind.

The sidebar as I already said is a joke, and while I appreciate the thought, it really needs to be overhauled. The questionmark icon should not open the properties page of a gadget, period. The icons are all (in the sidebar) very small as well, and hard to discernably press when using a higher resolution. The calculator in particular is horrible, and it feels a little bit sluggish when I type with the number pad. The font size in the notepad gadget is too small (at high resolution) and I don't see an option to change it. Etc. Etc.

Windows media player looks great in full mode, but in reduced mode it has the XP fisher price blue in parts, and the aero glass in others. What's with that? I am happy to see that the visualization does continue when you switch between programs.

I guess after 6 years I was expecting something amazing, and yet it honestly feels exactly like the 2k -> xp upgrade, visual only with a few necessary core components updated.

I've heard great things about office though, and to the person who asked: yes, other people are having trouble with their key activating.
 

Lord Banshee

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I got office 2k7 activated today.

One good thing about Vista is that it is written off the win2k3 so there so be some core speed ups here and there with memory and multi-core... (so they tell me also lol)

I have not used osx and i am pretty much only a windows guy, once in a blue moon i install linux just for fun but windows is where i am at.

50% of all those GUI stuff i will turn off i am sure, like i do like the transparnet windows.. makes reading stuff even harder lol. But the first month all these "COOL" GUI features will be fun to play with haha

If Vista 64-bit is able to run all my application i use for school and work then I'll upgrade if not I'll stick with WindowXP 32bit and 64bit :)
 

codeyf

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Wow...this is sick looking...now i just needs to spend some time trying to figure out wtf is what.
 

MBrown

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Two questions. How are you guys getting it when its not released to the public, and are there any problems with 64bit version?

 

codeyf

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Originally posted by: MBrown
Two questions. How are you guys getting it when its not released to the public, and are there any problems with 64bit version?

MSDN Subscription :)
 

MBrown

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Originally posted by: spherrod
Originally posted by: codeyf
Originally posted by: MBrown
Two questions. How are you guys getting it when its not released to the public, and are there any problems with 64bit version?

MSDN Subscription :)

Obligatory FTW! :thumbsup:
And you have to be picked to get that right?

 

jlbenedict

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Originally posted by: MBrown
Originally posted by: spherrod
Originally posted by: codeyf
Originally posted by: MBrown
Two questions. How are you guys getting it when its not released to the public, and are there any problems with 64bit version?

MSDN Subscription :)

Obligatory FTW! :thumbsup:
And you have to be picked to get that right?

No.. MSDN subscriptions cost big bucks.. if you can afford to fork out the subscription fees.. then by all means, you'll have access to a majority of their downloads..

I believe a TechNet subscription gets you access for the Vista Beta, but don't quote me on that..

 

remagavon

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Originally posted by: MBrown
Two questions. How are you guys getting it when its not released to the public, and are there any problems with 64bit version?

If you don't have a dual layer dvd burner (which is needed for the 64-bit version, or else you can wait for media to be delivered), you can install Vista from a disk image using a virtual drive tool, which is something that is a welcome change.
 

codeyf

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I'm just irritated that I couldn't find a Vista driver for the nForce3 SATA controller. Had to use a crusty old, not to mention slow, 40gb drive to install it.

But it looks sweet with Office 2007.
 

ncage

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Does vista come with Antivirus software or do you have to install it on your own. I would like to use the x64 version but if it doesn't come with antivir software i know thats going to be a pain in the butt
 

stash

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literally got prompted with 'are you sure' (or the equivilent) 5 times within 2 minutes or so. Really, really annoying.
Have you filed bugs on these? The UAC team is working hard to remove unnecessary prompts, so please file bugs. Beta testing is not just about running the newest stuff and the cool factor. Your feedback as a beta tester is incredibly important.

The power users that use cmd line keys in the run menu (i.e. calc, winword, etc) don't need that search box there, and the average joe doesn't either. Like I said, it's just simply ackward.
You can type commands in the search box. Its functionality is very close to the standard run box. The standard run box is still available too, with winkey+r or by turning it back on in the start menu properties.

The sidebar as I already said is a joke, and while I appreciate the thought, it really needs to be overhauled. The questionmark icon should not open the properties page of a gadget, period. The icons are all (in the sidebar) very small as well, and hard to discernably press when using a higher resolution. The calculator in particular is horrible, and it feels a little bit sluggish when I type with the number pad. The font size in the notepad gadget is too small (at high resolution) and I don't see an option to change it. Etc. Etc.
Again, file bugs. many of the gadgets are being or have been overhauled, but didn't make it into beta2. But file bugs anyway.
 

stash

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Does vista come with Antivirus software or do you have to install it on your own
Vista does not come with antivirus software, and I'm not aware of any plans to include it. At least not for free.
 

stash

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Originally posted by: codeyf
Is it just me, or is this install really slow/long?!?!?
This will be fixed in later builds. Install has historically been done in PIO mode, since DMA drives were not ubiquitous. DMA will be enabled for setup by RTM, and there will be other fixes related to setup.
 

codeyf

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Originally posted by: stash
Does vista come with Antivirus software or do you have to install it on your own
Vista does not come with antivirus software, and I'm not aware of any plans to include it. At least not for free.

If you go to the security center, and click on suggestions or something like that, you get to options.

First was a free 12 month subscription and download of the Vista AV by Computer Associates (for beta testers).

The second was from Trend Micro, and was a very similar offer. You have to sign-up/register and all that to get it tho.

I didn't have time last night, but will probably just do the CA av app.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Got it working now, it seems unimpressive. The user prompts are incredibly annoying... I thought OSX prompted me a lot but this is ridiculous. It seems to be like a $30 upgrade to win XP. I'm dissapointed as hell, I really wanted them to use some of the better aspects of OSX (even if that is 'stealing' who cares, it's not like they're patented items).

The whole OS seems like 5 different ones all slammed together into one odd conglomeration. The menus aren't uniform, the different control pannels and applets aren't uniform, and the sidebar is a joke. Even the calculator 'gadget' is horribly designed and unintuitive. Getting to the properties page of the Gadgets is unintuitive, and they load outside of the sidebar (wtf is with that). Why can't I change the text size of the sticky note gadget?

"Meh" sums it up. :(

Did you miss the part that it's a beta?

As for the prompts, that was put in near the last release prior to beta2. They found a theoretical exploit where somebody could put another window ontop of the prompt and trick somebody into clicking on something malicious. This won't be in the final release, which is why it's called BETA.
 

stash

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They found a theoretical exploit where somebody could put another window ontop of the prompt and trick somebody into clicking on something malicious. This won't be in the final release, which is why it's called BETA.
The switch to the secure desktop during a UAC prompt will most definitely be in the final release.

The number of prompts you get will be reduced by RTM. Part of how that's done is by beta testers filing bugs. Which is the entire reason for beta testers in the first place. File bugs people. Bitching on a forum that is not an official Microsoft beta forum does not count as reporting a bug.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: stash
They found a theoretical exploit where somebody could put another window ontop of the prompt and trick somebody into clicking on something malicious. This won't be in the final release, which is why it's called BETA.
The switch to the secure desktop during a UAC prompt will most definitely be in the final release.

The number of prompts you get will be reduced by RTM. Part of how that's done is by beta testers filing bugs. Which is the entire reason for beta testers in the first place. File bugs people. Bitching on a forum that is not an official Microsoft beta forum does not count as reporting a bug.

I know. I meant the repeated prompts (i haven't tried this release yet, but the one prior to this, you had to click on 3 prompts to delete a shortcut from your desktop).
 

remagavon

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I've been using it more tonight and I'm getting used to it. It's starting to grow on me, in a good way. Office 2007 is *VERY* nice. Extremely nice.

I've gone from being completely underwhelmed to confident about it's final release. Some more bugs are being ironed out and RC1 is already in private beta, which IMO is fantastic.
 

codeyf

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I'm retarded. I couldn't get it to load on my SATA drive cuz I had the controller disabled in my BIOS.

Anyway, seems to be running a tad bit snappier on a 8mb cache drive vs the 2mb one I had.

I installed the free CA Antivirus client, and it's only loaded correctly once upon startup. Right now it says real-time protection turned off, and clicking the "turn it on" button results in nothing. Will have to mess with it some more.

So far though, it is very nice. I have yet to really get in to it and find any possible "bugs" to report.

Only thing I'm afraid of though is how much "Ultimate" is going to cost :shocked:
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: Looney
So the public beta will open tomorrow? Man, i can't wait!
It will be offered as downloadable ISOs, right? Or do we have to wait for them to mail a disk?
 

MBrown

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Why would they release to the public on a saturday? Seems strange to me.