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Are you serious? It's pretty clear that its the result from long-term bullying (from everyone white or black) due to his sexual orientation and race.

It doesn't mean he was "mentally ill" to start with, but long-term, sustained bullying could very well have messed up his life and mind. I blame society and culture for that.

This is what he alleges. We don't really know exactly what he experienced. There isn't yet secondary evidence to corroborate this. Other people are saying he was a perpetually difficult and confrontational person who claimed things that weren't supported by evidence.

A mentally stable person probably won't commit murder-suicide even as a result of long-term bullying. They probably won't feel like this is the only way to calm their anger and achieve even a moment of peace. Especially not when the victims are people whom they haven't interacted with for a couple of years. The actions of a completely unrelated person like Dylan Roof would normally not be a factor.

I can't say what mistreatment he did or didn't experience. Someone with delusions of paranoia and a persecution complex may see mistreatment where it doesn't exist, or at least be more sensitive to unintentional slights. Real instances of mistreatment may be magnified many times. They may well claim real social issues as their motivations, but that context could be less the cause of their distress and more the filter through which their acclimation to distress is rationalized.

This is all just one possibility. We don't really know. What we do know is that actions such as his are very rare and therefore very exceptional, and should be looked at exceptionally.
 
It doesn't mean he was "mentally ill" to start with, but long-term, sustained bullying could very well have messed up his life and mind. I blame society and culture for that.

Fuck that. Millions of people get bullied and don't go crazy and start murdering people. Holding "society" responsible for the actions of a deranged lunatic is insane.
 
Are you serious? It's pretty clear that its the result from long-term bullying (from everyone white or black) due to his sexual orientation and race.

It doesn't mean he was "mentally ill" to start with, but long-term, sustained bullying could very well have messed up his life and mind. I blame society and culture for that.

AFAIK none of that has been substantiated. All the document sent into ABC seems to reveal is a seriously disturbed person that was a danger to others and himself.
 
Fuck that. Millions of people get bullied and don't go crazy and start murdering people. Holding "society" responsible for the actions of a deranged lunatic is insane.

Millions don't get bullied long-term. It typically ends for everyone after high school. Those people typically don't go murdering people, but rather only commit suicide.

He could have gone the suicide only route, but the SC shootings probably made him go f'that and wanted to make his death a statement.

No one knows what type of issues he's gone through to get him to this point. Not everyone has thick enough skin to withstand long-term sustained bullying/harassment. And i'm not talking schoolyard name calling or shoving here. Just because he didn't have thick enough skin doesn't make him "mentally ill".

Someone said earlier he went to college and was able to hold a professional job so clearly he was able to live a normal life.
 
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Millions don't get bullied long-term. It typically ends for everyone after high school. Those people typically don't go murdering people, but rather only commit suicide.

He could have gone the suicide only route, but the SC shootings probably made him go f'that and wanted to make his death a statement.

Why would you assume he was an accurate reporter when he complained about the "bullying"? Literally all we know about him at this point is that a) he killed two people, and shot three, this morning in cold blood, and b) he was an unsuccessful journeyman broadcaster who complained about discrimination on various occasions. Neither of those facts does anything to convince me he was ever in fact bullied. Rather, it appears to me he was a paranoid, violent narcissist with delusions of persecution.
 
Millions don't get bullied long-term. It typically ends for everyone after high school. Those people typically don't go murdering people, but rather only commit suicide.

He could have gone the suicide only route, but the SC shootings probably made him go f'that and wanted to make his death a statement.

No one knows what type of issues he's gone through to get him to this point. Not everyone has thick enough skin to withstand long-term sustained bullying/harassment. And i'm not talking schoolyard name calling or shoving here. Just because he didn't have thick enough skin doesn't make him "mentally ill".

Someone said earlier he went to college and was able to hold a professional job so clearly he was able to live a normal life.

Being able to go to college and hold a professional job doesn't mean you're mentally stable. Functional, maybe, but not necessarily stable. And sometimes mental conditions do develop or progress later in life.

You're placing all of the blame on external factors and seem to be implying that a large percentage of people would react similarly when subject to the same conditions. We really don't know. But we do know that the group affiliation he claims severe persecution over (gay black men) isn't THAT small, there are probably a few million of them in the country. There could be other regional differences that make it worse for them than people in other parts of the country but still, if this was a typical reaction for the environment you'd expect at least hundreds of these cases.
 
Being able to go to college and hold a professional job doesn't mean you're mentally stable. Functional, maybe, but not necessarily stable. And sometimes mental conditions do develop or progress later in life.

You're placing all of the blame on external factors and seem to be implying that a large percentage of people would react similarly when subject to the same conditions. We really don't know. But we do know that the group affiliation he claims severe persecution over (gay black men) isn't THAT small, there are probably a few million of them in the country. There could be other regional differences that make it worse for them than people in other parts of the country but still, if this was a typical reaction for the environment you'd expect at least hundreds of these cases.

I'm not saying a large percent would react similarly. However, I'm personally NOT surprised that someone would react like this when subjected to the conditions. With how people treat each other sometimes (especially over a long sustained period of time), it's not surprising that it would drive a person to this state...
 
Are you serious? It's pretty clear that its the result from long-term bullying (from everyone white or black) due to his sexual orientation and race.

It doesn't mean he was "mentally ill" to start with, but long-term, sustained bullying could very well have messed up his life and mind. I blame society and culture for that.

<---tapping sarcasm meter. I think this thing is on.
 
If Trump can be blamed for those two douchebags assaulting the homeless guy in Boston, can Obama and the rest of the left wing hate machine creating a racially divided atmosphere be blamed for this guy's crime?
 
If Trump can be blamed for those two douchebags assaulting the homeless guy in Boston, can Obama and the rest of the left wing hate machine creating a racially divided atmosphere be blamed for this guy's crime?

What brand of new stupidity are you pushing now? The attackers in Boston literally used Trump's name while committing their attack. Your willingness to exploit this incident to talk shit is not surprising, given the exceedingly law standards you have set here, but it is disgusting to those of us who don't share your rage and/or casual attitude toward human life when there is a ham-handed anti-liberal political point to be made.
 
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I'm not saying a large percent would react similarly. However, I'm personally NOT surprised that someone would react like this when subjected to the conditions. With how people treat each other sometimes (especially over a long sustained period of time), it's not surprising that it would drive a person to this state...

I can maybe understand someone being driven to this state if they were constantly forced to submit to constant physical violence, extreme embarrassment, serious risk of elevated injury/death, complete denial of privacy or personal freedom and so on. But this guy killed some people he hadn't even been working with for years. Whatever he was or wasn't subjected to it was in the past and he wasn't able to deal with it. He wasn't able to build meaningful things in his life that were worth living for.

And I doubt he ever experienced anything so terrible in the first place, much less did he do so without any option for recourse (criminal or civil suits), or at the very least the option to work someplace else, even in a different state if need be.

No matter how I look at this it all comes off as more a reflection on his facilities as a person than on his environment.
 
Millions don't get bullied long-term. It typically ends for everyone after high school. Those people typically don't go murdering people, but rather only commit suicide.

He could have gone the suicide only route, but the SC shootings probably made him go f'that and wanted to make his death a statement.

No one knows what type of issues he's gone through to get him to this point. Not everyone has thick enough skin to withstand long-term sustained bullying/harassment. And i'm not talking schoolyard name calling or shoving here. Just because he didn't have thick enough skin doesn't make him "mentally ill".

Someone said earlier he went to college and was able to hold a professional job so clearly he was able to live a normal life.

Ok, you're not being sarcastic, you're just being a blame deflector, trying to pin this on everyone else. Hey, the killer said he was bullied, SO it must be true. Nevermind, the racism claim he brought to the EEOC that was thrown out, nevermind the numerous jobs he was dismissed from due to his inability to work with others, nevermind the numerous people who have claimed he was very difficult to work with. He was black and gay and that's all you need to hear to make up your biased mind.
 
Guess it only took some time for both sides I mentioned to appear afterall :/

Either he was pushed to murder by racism and homophobia, or his rage was tempered by SJWs who taught him to be perpetually angry. One way or the other it must be on society.
 
Fuck that. Millions of people get bullied and don't go crazy and start murdering people. Holding "society" responsible for the actions of a deranged lunatic is insane.

Right. We have no moral responsibility as a society whatsoever if the fact that millions are bullied can create a few psychotic killers. Bullying people is as American as apple pie. No fucker anywhere is going to make ME feel guilty about anything. I didn't get to be the champion of the world by being some emotionally retarded pansy who can't take us winners stepping on his head.
 
Right. We have no moral responsibility as a society whatsoever if the fact that millions are bullied can create a few psychotic killers. Bullying people is as American as apple pie. No fucker anywhere is going to make ME feel guilty about anything. I didn't get to be the champion of the world by being some emotionally retarded pansy who can't take us winners stepping on his head.

So not only is this necessarily society's fault, necessarily purely a result of him being bullied, but we're supposed to feel guilty for it? For what exactly? Because we're not bullied? Or maybe because we're bullied for reasons outside of being black or gay? Because we're the "winners"?

No, just no.
 
Right. We have no moral responsibility as a society whatsoever if the fact that millions are bullied can create a few psychotic killers. Bullying people is as American as apple pie. No fucker anywhere is going to make ME feel guilty about anything. I didn't get to be the champion of the world by being some emotionally retarded pansy who can't take us winners stepping on his head.

I'm not going to point the finger at society when a psychopath acts in violent anti-social ways, no. We shouldn't tolerate bullying, but we also shouldn't feel like we're responsible for every single human who fails to live up to the standards we deem acceptable, and we absolutely shouldn't feel responsible for failing to create a perfect world where everyone can enjoy universal happiness at all times. Life is sometimes shit. You do the best you can. You don't murder people because of it. And you don't blame the rest of us when you break that part of the social contract.
 
Right. We have no moral responsibility as a society whatsoever if the fact that millions are bullied can create a few psychotic killers. Bullying people is as American as apple pie. No fucker anywhere is going to make ME feel guilty about anything. I didn't get to be the champion of the world by being some emotionally retarded pansy who can't take us winners stepping on his head.

Yes, blame society and completely take away personal responsibility. Despicable = you.
 
I'm not going to point the finger at society when a psychopath acts in violent anti-social ways, no. We shouldn't tolerate bullying, but we also shouldn't feel like we're responsible for every single human who fails to live up to the standards we deem acceptable, and we absolutely shouldn't feel responsible for failing to create a perfect world where everyone can enjoy universal happiness at all times. Life is sometimes shit. You do the best you can. You don't murder people because of it. And you don't blame the rest of us when you break that part of the social contract.

Life is sometimes shit because other people make it that way for others, over and over again. And when the victim every reaches out for help, people ignore it and think the person is just weak and will get over it. Then those people act like they had nothing to do with it when their victim can't get heard or get help then is driven to do crazy shit.......
 
What brand of new stupidity are you pushing now? The attackers in Boston literally used Trump's name while committing their attack. Your willingness to exploit this incident to talk shit is not surprising, given the exceedingly law standards you have set here, but it is disgusting to those of us who don't share your rage and/or casual attitude toward human life when there is a ham-handed anti-liberal political point to be made.

Really? You don't believe that the left constantly trying to build a narrative that racism is getting worse has anything to do with this guy's condition?

http://www.wcvb.com/news/alleged-gu...aign=WCVB Channel 5 Boston&Content Type=Story

https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+in+the+us+is+getting+worse&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
 
Life is sometimes shit because other people make it that way for others, over and over again. And when the victim every reaches out for help, people ignore it and think the person is just weak and will get over it. Then those people act like they had nothing to do with it when their victim can't get heard or get help then is driven to do crazy shit.......

I don't care how hard someone made life for you, the answer is never "murder them in cold blood." Ever. Period. If he had found some other outlet for his broken psyche than we would be having a different conversation. But I hold no sympathy for someone who has chosen to willfully murder another without provocation (and no, past instances of bullying don't count).
 
I don't care how hard someone made life for you, the answer is never "murder them in cold blood." Ever. Period. If he had found some other outlet for his broken psyche than we would be having a different conversation. But I hold no sympathy for someone who has chosen to willfully murder another without provocation (and no, past instances of bullying don't count).

The problem is you don't know his frame of reference or mind that drove his shooting. Throughout his life he could have thought the same exact thing as you do, yet pressures and bullying/harassment could have changed his perspective. I'm not suggesting sympathy, but no one should be surprised that this was an outcome of long term bulling and harassment. Truth is, society behavior and culture have varying impacts on everyone, and not everyone can withstand its impacts, especially extremely negative ones for a prolonged period of time.
 
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