Vietnam: Wrong or Right <i>to serve</i>

[pen^2]

red, i doubt anyone could disagree with what you wrote in the last post, a nice post indeed. history is a wicked thing, nam was only few decades ago and there is already a descrepency between the way people perceive the war from those days and now...

mr paltroll, who are you forgiving? for what?

 

[apoppin]

<< Paltroll seems to have gotten all his infor about that situation from the movie Forrest Gump. >>



Very true, Red Dawn and LOL.

It seems as though he is looking at the Vietnam Conflict through some rose-tinted glasses:



<< When War is entered, it must be to Win, and with all the force and vigor a Nation can muster. >>


That IS part of the problem; we did not enter Vietnam to &quot;win&quot;. It was a series of bad political decisions.





<< . . . the innocent soldier that went into hell to protect [us] . . . >>


The Vietnam Conflict was not fought to protect the US.



<< I forgive you . . . >>


Who are you to forgive?



<< It was the greatest military Victory in the history of the United States of America . . . >>


You dishonor the memory of the other wars which were military victories (Revolutionary, 1812, WWI, WWII, etc,). Vietnam was NOT a military victory for the United States. The politicians botched it - not the military.

Please explain MrP, exactly what was accomplished by the US fighting in Vietnam.

 

[apoppin]

Not really, Red Dawn, it was more rhetorical. History has already answered.

 

[lowtech1]

Great posts to you all except some that I don?t want to mention.

As for the moral of people in this tread shown that America still have its great morality of its founder...And, that is a sense of pride &amp; FREEDOM that my family &amp; homeland was yearning for. (but hasn?t full achieved)

Thanks all those who has try to make a different &amp; contribute to the idea of freedom to the Vietnamese. But, I still don?t agreed with the administration that jeopardizes the lives of their men in Vietnam...And to reiterate Red Dawn post, the US gov wasn?t trying to win the war, and that is a mistake that were realizes during &amp; after the war.

Vietnam was a difficult war, because the enemy was within which could be repeated in the middle east if America is not careful...I?m sorry to say but, let them crazy hash it out among themselves till they looses the will to fight, and that should have gone with Vietnam as well. (I have lost many family members by the NVA &amp; by the South Vietnam treachery...and, as for a war within brother vs. brother is a no win war...just how much it is gonna hurts)

 

[Double Trouble]

Red, <<When you talk of people being cowards or traitors without knowing all the circumstances you do talk out of ignorance>>

If you look at my posts, you'll see that I did not call anyone a coward or a traitor -- I can't pass judgement on people because I wasn't there in those circumstances. I do believe those that do not stand up for freedom don't deserve the fruits of the labor of those that do.

Bart, <<tagej: listen to me closely here. I do not mean this to insult you, only to show you the shocking implications of what you said. YOU burned the jews in ovens.>>

The sheer stupidity of that statement amazes me. I said I would serve my country and fight for it -- as a soldier. That does NOT mean I would incinerate innocent people, and it does not mean I would blindly do whatever the government wanted done. I don't know what kind of a feeble mind you have that you can't see a distinction between the two.

<<tagej, for you to say that you'd go over there with no questions asked might be considered patriotic, but when you witnessed what we did as a nation back then, you definately would have a different attitude than you have now. >>

I don't want it to seem like I would have been gung-ho about going over, I might have had some big time reservations about the cause and the war itself. But in the end those things get sorted out at home (as they did, the peace movement grew larger because of the factors you mentioned). I would have been one of the many many thousands of men that went over with every intention of fighting for freedom, who ended up being taken advantage of by the politicians.

 

[MrPALCO]

I can't help but be amused by the strange irony as History repeats itself.

The voices of decent outweighed the Honorable who were getting the job done.

This event was a very stress full one in US history as Men of integrity differed on the best way to proceed.

One thing is certain, the cloud of shame allowed to hover over the innocent soldier who fought, and &quot;drop out and turn ons&quot;
that gave sympathy to the VC, was and is , traitorous. Many have tried to divert attention from this, but to you who read this account, it was a real and heavy burden to the soldier.

The real shame is, these soldiers had little time, then or now, to engage the foolish in a debate over their Honorable act, and sacrifice.

They were, and are, to busy, getting the job done...

 

[The Wildcard]

Hahahaahah.....ouch. lol.

 

[apoppin]

MrP your posts make less sense as you continue. Plus your spelling and grammar is getting much worse.

You haven't answered a single point raised to contradict your foolish rambling.

The only thing of value you have said is what everyone knows - the American soldiers suffered no dishonor by fighting in Vietnam. They did the best they could do in a horrible situation out of their control.

However, the war itself in Vietnam was a disaster for this country. We lost in every way.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< Hey Paltroll, if we are so foolish in your uneducated opinion then why do you post and annoy us with your ignorance? >>



Please show wHere I said anyone in this thread was &quot;foolish&quot;.
Uneducated? Why thank you!



<< MrP your posts make less sense as you continue. Plus your spelling and grammar is getting much worse >>



I once had the poor judgement to coorect the speeling of a Wise and powerful old maan, as we were locked in a serious debate of World changing consequence, I sensed that my position was weak.

He said to me, you stay in the back with the clerks and check spelling , I will decide the fate of Nations.

I never forgot that lesson, one of priorities...

 

[apoppin]

While you're remembering &quot;priorities&quot;, you might also answer the main points raised in my posts and that of others: We lost the war in Vietnam.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< While you're remembering &quot;priorities&quot;, you might also answer the main points raised in my posts and that of others: We lost the war in Vietnam. >>



My purpose in entering this thread, was to draw out the main issues that were at the forefront at the time of the Vietnam conflict.

There was a small group of us that had another view of events, at that time. As illustrated by this thread, that view was and is, in the minority.

I have communicated that view, completely. These Words will not be withdrawn or amended.





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[apoppin]

Ok, your point of view.

Whatever.

Feel absolutely free to believe what you want to.

 

[Moonbeam]

Let every war begin with the voluntary self-sacrifice of he who declares it along with the lives of all his family.