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daniel1113

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Originally posted by: hagbard
To the Iraqis, its "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" except this time, the boss is an invader.

I'm glad that you've spoken with all of the Iraqis and gotten their opinion...
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VioletAura

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: hagbard
To the Iraqis, its "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" except this time, the boss is an invader.

I'm glad that you've spoken with all of the Iraqis and gotten their opinion...
rolleye.gif

I assume this question came up when the bush campaign was pushing for regime change in Iraq as well or did you just shut up and support the president?
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: hagbard
To the Iraqis, its "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" except this time, the boss is an invader.

I'm glad that you've spoken with all of the Iraqis and gotten their opinion...
rolleye.gif

I assume this question came up when the bush campaign was pushing for regime change in Iraq as well or did you just shut up and support the president?

I'm sure the Bush Administration is a little more knowledgeable than you when it comes to Iraqi affairs... not that that would take much.
 

VioletAura

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: hagbard
To the Iraqis, its "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" except this time, the boss is an invader.

I'm glad that you've spoken with all of the Iraqis and gotten their opinion...
rolleye.gif

I assume this question came up when the bush campaign was pushing for regime change in Iraq as well or did you just shut up and support the president?

I'm sure the Bush Administration is a little more knowledgeable than you when it comes to Iraqi affairs... not that that would take much.

My mistake... bush went around Iraq personally asking everyones opinion and I guess you were there holding his bag. So many there are so happy to be "liberated" that they dance in the street around burning coalition vehicles and shower convoys with bullets and RPGs of gratitude.
 

VioletAura

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1147352

Baghdad poll: Ousting Saddam 'worth it'
Almost two-thirds of Baghdad residents polled said they believed ousting Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they have suffered in the months since the fall of the Iraqi capital, according to a new Gallup poll.

So? Saddam was reelected with 100% of the vote. When someone has tanks rolling up and down your street you tend to say what they want you to say, even still 1/3 felt it wasn't worth it.
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: daniel1113
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1147352

Baghdad poll: Ousting Saddam 'worth it'
Almost two-thirds of Baghdad residents polled said they believed ousting Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they have suffered in the months since the fall of the Iraqi capital, according to a new Gallup poll.

So? Saddam was reelected with 100% of the vote. When someone has tanks rolling up and down your street you tend to say what they want you to say, even still 1/3 felt it wasn't worth it.

I love how the facts don't seem to matter when they completely disprove your stance...
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: daniel1113

I love how the facts don't seem to matter when they completely disprove your stance...

That's a funny thing to say coming from someone who keeps changing their stance. (see post a few above)

 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: daniel1113

I love how the facts don't seem to matter when they completely disprove your stance...

That's a funny thing to say coming from someone who keeps changing their stance. (see post a few above)

Actually, Gaard... if yoy look back, you will see that I didn't change my stance. I made a mispost and then corrected myself. However, I already explained that in another thread. Perhaps I should post some of your "mis-posts" as well?

As for your comment above, how did I change my stance again? Oh, I didn't. If Saddam Hussein had complied with 1441, he could have prevented the war. 1441 is not the only reason we went to war, but it was, and remains to be, the biggest reason. We don't need any other reason to go to war other than the fact that Saddam didn't comply with 1441. The other reasons are just icing on the cake, my friend.
 

VioletAura

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: daniel1113
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1147352

Baghdad poll: Ousting Saddam 'worth it'
Almost two-thirds of Baghdad residents polled said they believed ousting Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they have suffered in the months since the fall of the Iraqi capital, according to a new Gallup poll.

So? Saddam was reelected with 100% of the vote. When someone has tanks rolling up and down your street you tend to say what they want you to say, even still 1/3 felt it wasn't worth it.

I love how the facts don't seem to matter when they completely disprove your stance...

Facts don't matter when they are mutually exclusive, doesn't take much brains to figure that out.
100% of the population voted to reelect him, but after the invasion and foreign military at their door 2/3 say it was worth getting rid of Saddam? Something is wrong here and I trust official national election results more than some cable news poll.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1147352

Baghdad poll: Ousting Saddam 'worth it'
Almost two-thirds of Baghdad residents polled said they believed ousting Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they have suffered in the months since the fall of the Iraqi capital, according to a new Gallup poll.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1171515&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
more than one sides to everything
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: daniel1113
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1147352

Baghdad poll: Ousting Saddam 'worth it'
Almost two-thirds of Baghdad residents polled said they believed ousting Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they have suffered in the months since the fall of the Iraqi capital, according to a new Gallup poll.

So? Saddam was reelected with 100% of the vote. When someone has tanks rolling up and down your street you tend to say what they want you to say, even still 1/3 felt it wasn't worth it.

I love how the facts don't seem to matter when they completely disprove your stance...

Facts don't matter when they are mutually exclusive, doesn't take much brains to figure that out.
100% of the population voted to reelect him, but after the invasion and foreign military at their door 2/3 say it was worth getting rid of Saddam? Something is wrong here and I trust official national election results more than some cable news poll.

You do realize that they HAD to vote for Saddam or they would be killed, right? I haven't heard too many reports about Gallop poll workers forcing Iraqis to vote in favor of the U.S. (which is enforced by the fact that approximately 1/3 of Iraqis said that they thought conditions were not better).
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: daniel1113
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1147352

Baghdad poll: Ousting Saddam 'worth it'
Almost two-thirds of Baghdad residents polled said they believed ousting Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they have suffered in the months since the fall of the Iraqi capital, according to a new Gallup poll.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1171515&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=
more than one sides to everything

Very interesting Czar. It would appear as though the Iraqis are quite confused right now, and I can't say I blame them. No wonder it is so difficult for us to know exactly how they are feeling from month to month. However, it's a good thing that we've hagbard here to tell us.
 

Gaard

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"All he had to do in order to avert war was allow the inspectors free access."

"...the situation in Iraq alone was enough for us to act."

"We don't need any other reason to go to war other than the fact that Saddam didn't comply with 1441."


You sure do make a lot of mis-posts, Dan. Do you get your reason de jour from Hannity or Limbaugh, both of whom are linked to from your website. ;)
 

dpm

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Actually, Gaard... if yoy look back, you will see that I didn't change my stance. I made a mispost and then corrected myself. However, I already explained that in another thread. Perhaps I should post some of your "mis-posts" as well? As for your comment above, how did I change my stance again? Oh, I didn't. If Saddam Hussein had complied with 1441, he could have prevented the war. 1441 is not the only reason we went to war, but it was, and remains to be, the biggest reason. We don't need any other reason to go to war other than the fact that Saddam didn't comply with 1441. The other reasons are just icing on the cake, my friend.

"a mispost"? Is that like saying you "mispoke"?
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: Gaard
"All he had to do in order to avert war was allow the inspectors free access."

"...the situation in Iraq alone was enough for us to act."

"We don't need any other reason to go to war other than the fact that Saddam didn't comply with 1441."


You sure do make a lot of mis-posts, Dan. Do you get your reason de jour from Hannity or Limbaugh, both of whom are linked to from your website. ;)

Where again are these misposts?

"...the situation in Iraq alone was enough for us to act."

Yep.

"We don't need any other reason to go to war other than the fact that Saddam didn't comply with 1441."

Yep.

"All he had to do in order to avert war was allow the inspectors free access."

This is the only one I remember making, and I already cleared it up. Perhaps you would like to post the rest of my statement?

It's good to hear you went to my website, Gaard.

And yes, I bow to down to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. They control my every thought. All hail the great conservative radio talk show hosts (they told me to post that).
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daniel1113

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Originally posted by: dpm
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Actually, Gaard... if yoy look back, you will see that I didn't change my stance. I made a mispost and then corrected myself. However, I already explained that in another thread. Perhaps I should post some of your "mis-posts" as well? As for your comment above, how did I change my stance again? Oh, I didn't. If Saddam Hussein had complied with 1441, he could have prevented the war. 1441 is not the only reason we went to war, but it was, and remains to be, the biggest reason. We don't need any other reason to go to war other than the fact that Saddam didn't comply with 1441. The other reasons are just icing on the cake, my friend.

"a mispost"? Is that like saying you "mispoke"?

No, that's like saying I am human and made a mistake (and fixed promptly).
 

UCSDHappyAsian

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hmm... we know that Saddam does a lot crazy stuff to its people....
for instance, although some of the suicidal bombing were valunteer, quite a lot people were forced to do the suicidal bombing.....



but the thing is...what we think of something may not be the same as the Iraqi's and the rest of the world... our government was being very rude to invade Iraq although Iraq deserved it. We are the founder of the United Nations, and the rules are very clearl that we cant declare a war unless we got the approval from the UN..... According to UN's policy, United Nations will step in if the invasion is illegal.... The United States' invasion was obviously illegal, and the UN did not take any action to help its member--Iraq.....
i start to lose the faith in the unites nations... what if there were another strong power that invades the Unites States in the future, i am sure UN wont do much to help us...

 

VioletAura

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Originally posted by: daniel1113

You do realize that they HAD to vote for Saddam or they would be killed, right? I haven't heard too many reports about Gallop poll workers forcing Iraqis to vote in favor of the U.S. (which is enforced by the fact that approximately 1/3 of Iraqis said that they thought conditions were not better).

HAD to vote for Saddam or be killed?
Must be true since fox news says so right?
Unless you got proof of someone being shot in the head right after casting a No for Saddam ballot, I suggest you stop spreading false propaganda.
 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: hagbard
To the Iraqis, its "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" except this time, the boss is an invader.

I'm glad that you've spoken with all of the Iraqis and gotten their opinion...
rolleye.gif


Actually the Iraqis are saying:

?Rah el sani, ija el ussta? ? ?gone is the apprentice [Saddam], in comes the master [US].?

 

oLLie

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Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: daniel1113
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1147352

Baghdad poll: Ousting Saddam 'worth it'
Almost two-thirds of Baghdad residents polled said they believed ousting Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships they have suffered in the months since the fall of the Iraqi capital, according to a new Gallup poll.

So? Saddam was reelected with 100% of the vote. When someone has tanks rolling up and down your street you tend to say what they want you to say, even still 1/3 felt it wasn't worth it.

I love how the facts don't seem to matter when they completely disprove your stance...

Facts don't matter when they are mutually exclusive, doesn't take much brains to figure that out.
100% of the population voted to reelect him, but after the invasion and foreign military at their door 2/3 say it was worth getting rid of Saddam? Something is wrong here and I trust official national election results more than some cable news poll.

Wow. Just wow.
I'm sure even the far left people on this forum are taking one step (to the right) away from you after that post.

or maybe after this one:

HAD to vote for Saddam or be killed?
Must be true since fox news says so right?
Unless you got proof of someone being shot in the head right after casting a No for Saddam ballot, I suggest you stop spreading false propaganda.

Ah yes, Iraq was just a peaceful, peachy, perfect democratic country before we showed up wasn't it? Bad U.S., bad!