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videocardzFirst NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN Z review leaks out

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Squeetard said:
Why can't dual GPU cards use a better interlink than an onboard sli/xfire solution? I had a 590 and it was silly to see some games using 1 gpu for lack of support.
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how many dual GPU cards are they selling? not many I would guess...
dual GPU makes sense because it's cheap (compared to a newer GPU or something more customized) to develop I guess... so...

yes, it's just "2 cards" built on the same PCB, using a PCIE bridge, I wouldn't expect it to change...

titan Z is not doing to badly considering the simpler cooler an so on...
the price is the only thing killing it.

but 2x 780 or 290 is just an absurdly better buy (like less than 1/3 the price for comparable enough perf?)

if you ignore the CUDA DP stuff, which is irrelevant as a gaming card, and 3GB of VRAM are enough... also for 4K even a 290 (non X) CF would be far better?! considering the SST problems.
 
el etro said:
IMO the "driver fix" is a tweak to up the fan speed and frequencies...
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It had better be more than a driver fix. They are going to need clocks higher than the 780 ti (and maintain them without throttling) to beat the 295X2.

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Let the cards warm up actually playing games and the results aren't even close. Looking at the clocks the Titan-Z was being advertised at, what chance does it really have of keeping up when 2x 780 ti's can't?

People can spin it any way they want to The reason Titan-Z got delayed is shown in the charts above.
 
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Titan Z with the advertised clock speeds could never be faster than 780TI SLI so I doubt that some of the performance figures (and a few other numbers) are not accurate.
The card itself needs a price reduction and clocks boost in order to challenge AMD's dual monster.
 
Gikaseixas said:
Titan Z with the advertised clock speeds could never be faster than 780TI SLI so I doubt that some of the performance figures (and a few other numbers) are not accurate.
The card itself needs a price reduction and clocks boost in order to challenge AMD's dual monster.
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The performance figure from the leak have Titan Z about 10% slower than SLI 780ti, that's spot on for the clocks. We can see the clock boost chart, it gets to 1058mhz but doesn't stay there long.
 
I remember when AMD first announced that they were buying ATI. Nvidia was celebrating as everyone assume that was it for ATI and it was going to be a graphics card monopoly for Nvidia from then on. Glad to see competition has returned.
 
Huh... Why is everyone talking about the Titan Z as if it is a gaming card? Nvidia didnt even advertise it as such, and no sane gamer would buy it anyway

Why would they care about beating the 295 in the first place if their target audience is not the same?
 
"Built around two Kepler GPUs and 12GB of dedicated frame buffer memory, TITAN Z is engineered for next-generation 5K and multi-monitor gaming."

"So if you want to build the ultimate ultra-high definition gaming rig that can harness the power of quad GPUs working in tandem, TITAN Z is the perfect graphics card."

- more at: http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/titan-z/

Titan Z announcement was definitely gaming focused, i.e. 'no you won't get workstation driver access'. I seriously doubt the rumored driver issues are anything other than squeezing better clock rates out of it and trying to improve SLI performance. Hard to argue against the Radeon 295X catching Nvidia off guard, seems they expected it to be a bit less performance wise than two 290Xs.
 
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I'm sure no one can claim to be able to play at 4k, with decent settings and 60fps at least, so the 5k gaming announcement is really misleading. But if they made a card that's really 3000$ worth then it could be possible. Not on current architecture and 28nm for sure though, probably dual Maxwell on 16FF will be close to that.
 
ShadowOfMyself said:
Huh... Why is everyone talking about the Titan Z as if it is a gaming card? Nvidia didnt even advertise it as such, and no sane gamer would buy it anyway

Why would they care about beating the 295 in the first place if their target audience is not the same?
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You must be one of the most uninformed consumer at Anandtech (I mean in the world)

It seems you will be one of the few fishes bitting at this unwanted bait.
 
SAAA said:
I'm sure no one can claim to be able to play at 4k, with decent settings and 60fps at least, so the 5k gaming announcement is really misleading. But if they made a card that's really 3000$ worth then it could be possible. Not on current architecture and 28nm for sure though, probably dual Maxwell on 16FF will be close to that.
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You can game at 4K with 2x R290/X, or the R295X2, with more than decent settings (sometimes max and 2/4x MSAA). Minus the AA, easily 60 fps.
 
Silverforce11 said:
You can game at 4K with 2x R290/X, or the R295X2, with more than decent settings (sometimes max and 2/4x MSAA). Minus the AA, easily 60 fps.
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Yes, I agree. I get exclent performce with my system below. The only get I get sub 70fps maxed in is Project cars, but that game is not very well optimised at the moment.
 
Ok I was really on the pessimistic side, still it's true that only a single dual chip card can do that, using a lot of power and water-cooling too.
So let's say that for future games and 5k even a dual titan can't cut it in 375w of TDP, whatever they do with drivers and air-cooling there's no way to reach quad sli/cf as they promised. For that you really need Maxwell improvements in high end cards.
 
I thought that the Titan cards in this price range were more for Workstations than gaming PC's. If that's the case, who cares how well it plays games?

Edit: Even NVIDIA's CEO seemed to be describing the Titan Z as a Workstation/Compute card that can also just happen to play games with maxed out settings in that video.
 
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If NV can boost the clocks the and drop the price to $1999, I would say this might be a decent buy. Honestly, this thing must be within $500 or so of the 295X2 or it is priced well outside of what it is worth.
 
ultimatebob said:
I thought that the Titan cards in this price range were more for Workstations than gaming PC's. If that's the case, who cares how well it plays games?

Edit: Even NVIDIA's CEO seemed to be describing the Titan Z as a Workstation/Compute card that can also just happen to play games with maxed out settings in that video.
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They are. The vast majority though don't care and will only see this as a gaming card, hence the massive knocks the card gets compared to AMD or other NV cards.
 
Railgun said:
They are. The vast majority though don't care and will only see this as a gaming card, hence the massive knocks the card gets compared to AMD or other NV cards.
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Yeah, I don't get it. It would be like buying a $4000 AMD FirePro W9100, and then complaining that it doesn't play Battlefield 4 at the same framerate as a Radeon 290X. Well, duh... they aren't optimized for that.
 
ultimatebob said:
Yeah, I don't get it. It would be like buying a $4000 AMD FirePro W9100, and then complaining that it doesn't play Battlefield 4 at the same framerate as a Radeon 290X. Well, duh... they aren't optimized for that.
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That would make sense except the titan cards are GeForce cards, not Quadros. The FirePro w9100 has workstation drivers and ECC memory while the Titan Z has gaming drivers. Making that comparison makes absolutely no sense.
 
ultimatebob said:
Yeah, I don't get it. It would be like buying a $4000 AMD FirePro W9100, and then complaining that it doesn't play Battlefield 4 at the same framerate as a Radeon 290X. Well, duh... they aren't optimized for that.
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Single 290x cards can run compute task like coin mining better than two Titan in SLI but no one is calling that a compute/workstation card. 🙄

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-opencl-cuda-workstation,3474-23.html

So, what are we left to conclude, then?

The GeForce GTX Titan that Gigabyte sent over is a sweet card able to beat the gaming-optimized GeForce GTX 680 in most professional tasks using its GK110 graphics processor. But we don't see many folks spending $1,000 on a desktop product when the true business-oriented boards are the ones that include the right drivers and compatibility guarantees.
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ShadowOfMyself said:
Huh... Why is everyone talking about the Titan Z as if it is a gaming card? Nvidia didnt even advertise it as such, and no sane gamer would buy it anyway

Why would they care about beating the 295 in the first place if their target audience is not the same?
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http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/titan-z/

I know the Titan line isn't just for gaming, but gaming certainly is part of it's DNA. Since people do purchase Titan cards for gaming, I don't see any issue in comparing it as a gaming card.

Other than better DP performance than other GK110 based cards on the market, is there anything that really sets Titan a part as a non-gaming card vs. other members of the GeForce line up?
 
$3K? Haha.

P.S. The naming scheme looks quite painful which to me is funny. (Why "Z"? for example 😀 ) Titan, Ti, Z, Bo0stp0W6llyplz..
 
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