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DeathReborn

DeathReborn

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lopri said:
$3K? Haha.

P.S. The naming scheme looks quite painful which to me is funny. (Why "Z"? for example :D ) Titan, Ti, Z, Bo0stp0W6llyplz..
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Given the popularity of zombie games recently it's probably named after George A. Romero Zombies (ie slow, shambling things).
 
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3DVagabond

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Fear not, nVidia is working on yet another super driver. This time it's not to out do Mantle but to defeat the 295X2

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NVIDIA's drivers affected Titan Z's overall performance
As previously reported, NVIDIA was supposed to release its GeForce Titan Z flagship video card on April 29th, but the company delayed its plans, moving it to May 8th.
However since NVIDIA didn't launch that card on May 8th, speculations were on a rise about why it wasn't launched until a leaked benchmarks from a review site indicated that the video card with dual GK110 GPU is slower than AMD Radeon R9 295X2. It was also assumed that NVIDIA was bumping the card's clock speed to boost its performance.

As it turns out, the reason why NVIDIA didn't release Titan Z yet because the existing drivers stifled its performance. Since the card was slower than AMD's flagship in some tests, it didn't justify the predicted price of $2,999. NVIDIA is trying to fix the problem by developing drivers to make it significantly faster than AMD Radeon R9 295X2 which is costs around $1,499.

It was also revealed that NVIDIA requested retailers and distributors not to sell GTX Titan Z until they've released the drivers. However, the company didn't reveal any dates to its sales channels.
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So, how long can retailers and distributors afford to sit on product? Have they already paid for the cards? Has nVidia already received their money?
 
Railgun

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dn7309 said:
Single 290x cards can run compute task like coin mining better than two Titan in SLI but no one is calling that a compute/workstation card. :rolleyes:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-opencl-cuda-workstation,3474-23.html
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First off...you wouldn't run compute anything while in SLI. That's not what SLI is for.

Second, marketing aside, the Titan is not purely a gaming card. Early adopters are always at risk of getting something that isn't exactly going to be long life or the best in a category and that's exactly what happened with this and a subsequent 780 release. Any conversation after the 780 came into the scene that suggests otherwise is based on an uninformed consumer.

Lastly, this isn't another NV vs AMD thread...so I won't entertain that topic and keep it OT.
 
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Creig

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ShadowOfMyself said:
Huh... Why is everyone talking about the Titan Z as if it is a gaming card? Nvidia didnt even advertise it as such, and no sane gamer would buy it anyway

Why would they care about beating the 295 in the first place if their target audience is not the same?
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  1. The GTX Titan Z is part of the GeForce GTX family. If it had been targeted primarily at the professional market, it would have been a Quadro.
  2. The GTX Titan Z uses the GeForce gaming drivers. If it had been targeted primarily at the professional market, it would be using certified drivers like the Quadro.
  3. The GTX Titan Z uses non-ECC memory, like the GeForce family. If it had been targeted primarily at the professional market, it would use ECC memory like the Quadro.
  4. "Built around two Kepler GPUs and 12GB of dedicated frame buffer memory, TITAN Z is engineered for next-generation 5K and multi-monitor gaming." http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/titan-z/
  5. "So if you want to build the ultimate ultra-high definition gaming rig that can harness the power of quad GPUs working in tandem, TITAN Z is the perfect graphics card." http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/titan-z/
  6. "This is a serious card built for serious gamers. TITAN Z is designed with the highest-grade components to deliver the best experience – incredible speed and cool, quiet performance—all in a stunningly crafted aluminum case." http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/announcing-the-geforce-gtx-titan-z
  7. "If you’re looking for the ultimate in gaming power, GeForce GTX TITAN Z is your card. Arriving April." http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/announcing-the-geforce-gtx-titan-z
The specs of the card and the press releases from nvidia themselves all point to the fact that this is intended to be primarily a $3,000 gaming video card.
 
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3DVagabond said:
NVIDIA is trying to fix the problem by developing drivers to make it significantly faster than AMD Radeon R9 295X2 which is costs around $1,499.
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I'd love to know what voodoo magic they intend to perform to make this happen. I'll hazard a guess that "significantly faster" is going to be in one or two isolated benchmarks only since the drivers for the Titan have already been out for some time now. They can always continue to improve performance through drivers, but I would think that the easy, large performance tweaks have already been incorporated.
 
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3DVagabond said:
So, how long can retailers and distributors afford to sit on product? Have they already paid for the cards? Has nVidia already received their money?
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That's cute, you're concerned about retailers. Were you concerned about them when the 290X launch was delayed to work on drivers?
 
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96Firebird said:
That's cute, you're concerned about retailers. Were you concerned about them when the 290X launch was delayed to work on drivers?
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Ever run a business? Buy something and then get told you have to keep in the the back room indefinitely. See how long you can afford that. It's already been more than 2 weeks and there's nothing known except sometime in Q2. That's a long time and a legit talking point.

The 290X is off topic. This is about the Titan-Z.
 
Jaydip

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Titan-Z was already irrevalent when they announced the price, it doesn't matter if it will be 10% faster than 295X2 after two months.For that price I won't expect anything less than 40% faster.
 
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Railgun said:
First off...you wouldn't run compute anything while in SLI. That's not what SLI is for.

Second, marketing aside, the Titan is not purely a gaming card. Early adopters are always at risk of getting something that isn't exactly going to be long life or the best in a category and that's exactly what happened with this and a subsequent 780 release. Any conversation after the 780 came into the scene that suggests otherwise is based on an uninformed consumer.

Lastly, this isn't another NV vs AMD thread...so I won't entertain that topic and keep it OT.
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Then why make the Titan Z? Isn't it a dual chip running together, which Nvidia calls SLi?
 
SirPauly

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I believe the sku or Titan is a hybrid for ultimate nVidia gaming and for professional abilities like research, machine learning, developing software, artists, designers, etc.

For many gamers there are other sensible Gk-110 derivatives -- GTX 780 and GTX 780ti.

The eye-opening price for the Z sku may be so there may be a balance of pricing so the Z doesn't cannibalize the professional brands!
 
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Railgun said:
I'm not NV. Hell if I know.



Yes...:confused:

If you're point is it's an out of the box SLI setup, you can disable SLI on those dual cards.
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Yea, disabling SLi and use only one chip on the card you paid extra money for, makes a lot of sense :rolleyes:
 
ultimatebob

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Creig said:
  1. The GTX Titan Z is part of the GeForce GTX family. If it had been targeted primarily at the professional market, it would have been a Quadro.
  2. The GTX Titan Z uses the GeForce gaming drivers. If it had been targeted primarily at the professional market, it would be using certified drivers like the Quadro.
  3. The GTX Titan Z uses non-ECC memory, like the GeForce family. If it had been targeted primarily at the professional market, it would use ECC memory like the Quadro.
  4. "Built around two Kepler GPUs and 12GB of dedicated frame buffer memory, TITAN Z is engineered for next-generation 5K and multi-monitor gaming." http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/titan-z/
  5. "So if you want to build the ultimate ultra-high definition gaming rig that can harness the power of quad GPUs working in tandem, TITAN Z is the perfect graphics card." http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/titan-z/
  6. "This is a serious card built for serious gamers. TITAN Z is designed with the highest-grade components to deliver the best experience – incredible speed and cool, quiet performance—all in a stunningly crafted aluminum case." http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/announcing-the-geforce-gtx-titan-z
  7. "If you’re looking for the ultimate in gaming power, GeForce GTX TITAN Z is your card. Arriving April." http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/announcing-the-geforce-gtx-titan-z
The specs of the card and the press releases from nvidia themselves all point to the fact that this is intended to be primarily a $3,000 gaming video card.
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That's insane. Even if this thing was twice as fast as 295-X2 (and it won't be), the number of people willing to pay $3,000 for a gaming video card is miniscule at best. NVidia's marketing department is smoking crack.

I see a big price cut coming in this product's future, quickly.
 
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3DVagabond said:
Ever run a business? Buy something and then get told you have to keep in the the back room indefinitely. See how long you can afford that. It's already been more than 2 weeks and there's nothing known except sometime in Q2. That's a long time and a legit talking point.

The 290X is off topic. This is about the Titan-Z.
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whats stopping retailer from selling it? they legally purchased the item, shouldn't they be allowed to sell it or do whatever they want with it?
 
master_shake_

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ultimatebob said:
That's insane. Even if this thing was twice as fast as 295-X2 (and it won't be), the number of people willing to pay $3,000 for a gaming video card is miniscule at best. NVidia's marketing department is smoking crack.

I see a big price cut coming in this product's future, quickly.
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i don't, nvidia tested the waters back in 2007 for a thousand dollar video card and people chomped at the bit to get it.

now we have had green cards that are 1000 plus 3 times in one generation.

titan titan black and titan z, hell the 780ti is up around screw you levels too.
 
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Ah yes, I remember that.
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They wanted to give that card away for very little didn't they? They were going to put it up against the 770 and yet a simple fan speed ramp had it performing between the 780 and Titan and it could have been yours for <$350 :eek:
 
Railgun

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dn7309 said:
Yea, disabling SLi and use only one chip on the card you paid extra money for, makes a lot of sense :rolleyes:
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In the context of gaming, you're right. In the context of CUDA applications, you're wrong.

:rolleyes:
 
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Kenmitch

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3DVagabond said:
Fear not, nVidia is working on yet another super driver. This time it's not to out do Mantle but to defeat the 295X2

TweakTown


So, how long can retailers and distributors afford to sit on product? Have they already paid for the cards? Has nVidia already received their money?
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That makes sense. Hold back your $3000 gpu till the drivers make it beat a $1500 one by a respectable margin. Wonder what the goal is?
 
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