[videocardz][PCPer][AT] Nvidia Price drops and 780Ti pricing/launch details

[BallaTheFeared]

My only question is why wait for R290X aftermarket, when it seems thus far it takes water for the R290X just to keep pace with reference 780 OC?

Pretty obvious the R290X needs to drop below $500 now, which is good for everyone because the R290 should be $400 or less.

Nvidia still needs a 40 ROP GK110 below the 780, 770 needs to drop down to $270 to really push this gen from fail to win.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Getting forced into a price cut is not generally considered winning.

With these price cuts their cards are still $120-150 over their Fermi equivalents' launch price. An 18 month old architecture going from stratospheric price-gouging to still beyond what we saw with the 5000 series when Fermi was 6 months late isn't exactly "losing."

Both companies are taking the consumer to the cleaners.

 

[Silverforce11]

With these price cuts their cards are still $120-150 over their Fermi equivalents' launch price. An 18 month old architecture going from stratospheric price-gouging to still beyond what we saw with the 5000 series when Fermi was 6 months late isn't exactly "losing."

Both companies are taking the consumer to the cleaners.

You have a weird memory. When the 7970 launched, GTX580s were going for $500 and the 3GB model was $550. That is very late into 40nm gen and still super expensive.

As for Balla, have to agree with you, if you can grab 780s for <$500 its a good deal. I'm waiting for the R290 to see how they all stack up. If i can save another $100 going with an aftermarket R290 and OC it, I will.

 

[Aikouka]

Keep in mind that the reduced price is supposed to go into effect on 10/29. Newegg is in the pacific time zone, which means it's still 10/28.

 

[wand3r3r]

My only question is why wait for R290X aftermarket, when it seems thus far it takes water for the R290X just to keep pace with reference 780 OC?

Pretty obvious the R290X needs to drop below $500 now, which is good for everyone because the R290 should be $400 or less.

Nvidia still needs a 40 ROP GK110 below the 780, 770 needs to drop down to $270 to really push this gen from fail to win.

If you are unbiased why not wait and see? Interesting to see how you claim to have determined the overclockability already and declare it a defeat without even seeing 290x OC models.

On top of that if the 290 matches the 780 (& oc) for $50+ less it's an even better reason to wait.

 

[3DVagabond]

My only question is why wait for R290X aftermarket, when it seems thus far it takes water for the R290X just to keep pace with reference 780 OC?

Pretty obvious the R290X needs to drop below $500 now, which is good for everyone because the R290 should be $400 or less.

Nvidia still needs a 40 ROP GK110 below the 780, 770 needs to drop down to $270 to really push this gen from fail to win.

What is a reference 780 OC?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

If you are unbiased why not wait and see? Interesting to see how you claim to have determined the overclockability already and declare it a defeat without even seeing 290x OC models.

On top of that if the 290 matches the 780 (& oc) for $50+ less it's an even better reason to wait.

Point was wait for price drops, not aftermarket cards.

I was going off water results, superior no doubt to those of aftermarket. Card just uses too much power, and doesn't scale in MHz well enough.

Or just wait for 20nm because these cards are on a dated node without question.

What is a reference 780 OC?

It's like a 7970 GHz except you GHz it yourself without paying the GHz tax.

 

[3DVagabond]

It's like a 7970 GHz except you GHz it yourself without paying the GHz tax.

That was a serious question. Forget it though, I'll just put you on ignore, since it's impossible to have a discussion with you.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I appreciate it.

 

[DominionSeraph]

You have a weird memory. When the 7970 launched, GTX580s were going for $500 and the 3GB model was $550. That is very late into 40nm gen and still super expensive.

GF100 was Big Fermi -- the GTX 480 and GTX 470. Released at $500 and $350.
GF104 was released at $230 and $200.

GF110 was GTX 580 and 570. $500 and $350 again.
GTX 560 Ti was GF114 at $250

With the 600 series, the top dog GTX 680 was only the midrange chip. GK104 at $500. Titan and the 700 series saw the release of Big Kepler at $1000 and $650, with the GK104 still at $400.

With these price cuts we're still not at the release points of the 400 or 500 series. The GTX 770 isn't at $230-250, the GTX 780 isn't at $350, and the GTX 780 Ti isn't $500.

The assertion was, "Getting forced into a price cut is not generally considered winning." When your price cut doesn't even push your 18 month old midrange chip into the midrange, that's not exactly losing.

 

[wand3r3r]

GF100 was Big Fermi -- the GTX 480 and GTX 470. Released at $500 and $350.
GF104 was released at $230 and $200.

GF110 was GTX 580 and 570. $500 and $350 again.
GTX 560 Ti was GF114 at $250

With the 600 series, the top dog GTX 680 was only the midrange chip. GK104 at $500. Titan and the 700 series saw the release of Big Kepler at $1000 and $650, with the GK104 still at $400.

With these price cuts we're still not at the release points of the 400 or 500 series. The GTX 770 isn't at $230-250, the GTX 780 isn't at $350, and the GTX 780 Ti isn't $500.

The assertion was, "Getting forced into a price cut is not generally considered winning." When your price cut doesn't even push your 18 month old midrange chip into the midrange, that's not exactly losing.

Yep, so far the 560 ti successor has been $500 for only 2GB, $400 and finally $329. It's still at or above full retail price of the 560 ti. (It's still overpriced and has a measly 2GB)

The 570 successor has been $1000 and now (assuming the 780 ti is FINALLY the actual full 580 successor) a whopping $800 almost 4(?) years after the 580 being re-released for the umpteenth time.

So they have been milking out the 570/80 successors for $1000, $650, $500(?), and $800.

AMD went from $379 to $550 and now with a successor is at $550 again. So while AMD has been raising prices too, they pale in comparison to the ultimate stroke job by NV this generation.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yep, so far the 560 ti successor has been $500 for only 2GB, $400 and finally $329. It's still at or above full retail price of the 560 ti. (It's still overpriced and has a measly 2GB)

The 570 successor has been $1000 and now (assuming the 780 ti is FINALLY the actual full 580 successor) a whopping $800 almost 4(?) years after the 580 being re-released for the umpteenth time.

So they have been milking out the 570/80 successors for $1000, $650, $500(?), and $800.

AMD went from $379 to $550 and now with a successor is at $550 again. So while AMD has been raising prices too, they pale in comparison to the ultimate stroke job by NV this generation.

AMD would do the exact same thing if they ever actually found themselves on top in a given generation.

Nvidia's CEO has said many times, the competition sets the price.

 

[MeldarthX]

You have a weird memory. When the 7970 launched, GTX580s were going for $500 and the 3GB model was $550. That is very late into 40nm gen and still super expensive.

As for Balla, have to agree with you, if you can grab 780s for <$500 its a good deal. I'm waiting for the R290 to see how they all stack up. If i can save another $100 going with an aftermarket R290 and OC it, I will.

Well Gibbo said on a stock 290 - *coughs* he did try to hide lol - running at 1200 flashed with 290X bios was faster than his HOS 780 at 1310....

I think when the dust settles 290 will again be king of price/performance....

with the prices of 780 dropping *good thing for everyone* and 780ti going to battle out with 290 aftermarket.....

Graphics has gotten interesting again. Do I think 780ti beat the 290X; honestly I don't know but from word out there its going to end up a draw - it will be the aftermarket coolers that will end up making the difference between the two.

 

[Granseth]

AMD would do the exact same thing if they ever actually found themselves on top in a given generation.

Nvidia's CEO has said many times, the competition sets the price.

I'm afraid you are right, but I still don't like it. And it shows how important competition is.

 

[Gikaseixas]

My only question is why wait for R290X aftermarket, when it seems thus far it takes water for the R290X just to keep pace with reference 780 OC?

Point was wait for price drops, not aftermarket cards.

You're quite the flip flopper. You specifically implied that it wasn't worth to wait for the Non-reference 290X because it does not overclock high enough to beat 780 OC and when questioned you make a 360 alleging you meant wait for price drops??

Don&#8217;t know about you guys but an end user usually gets more out of cards than official review sites, so I think that we&#8217;ll start to see forum members posting better numbers soon. It&#8217;s too early to label the 290X a bad overclocking card, especially with Non-reference stuff coming soon.

 

[Gikaseixas]

With these price cuts we're still not at the release points of the 400 or 500 series. The GTX 770 isn't at $230-250, the GTX 780 isn't at $350, and the GTX 780 Ti isn't $500.

The assertion was, "Getting forced into a price cut is not generally considered winning." When your price cut doesn't even push your 18 month old midrange chip into the midrange, that's not exactly losing.

Why would Nvidia lower the GTX770 to $230-250 when its trading blows with $300 Radeon card? Why would they also lower the GTX780 to $350 when it performs close to a $550 Radeon card.
Any launch that prompts a $150 price drop from the competitor can be deemed as success.

 

[Slomo4shO]

AMD would do the exact same thing if they ever actually found themselves on top in a given generation.

Nvidia's CEO has said many times, the competition sets the price.

There is no real competition in a duopoly. Competition doesn't set the price, the market sets the price. Competition provides better products at any given price point.

AMD may do the same thing if it had 60%+ of the market share like Nvidia does currently. However, it does not. AMDs main progrative is to increase market share and revenues at this time and you don't do that by having the more expensive product on the market which provides marginal performance boosts.

 

[MrK6]

Don’t know about you guys but an end user usually gets more out of cards than official review sites, so I think that we’ll start to see forum members posting better numbers soon. It’s too early to label the 290X a bad overclocking card, especially with Non-reference stuff coming soon.

People will reporting better performance/overclocks on day one. As usual, the idiot fan boys of this forum are talking out of their asses instead of using actual evidence: http://www.overclock.net/t/1436497/official-amd-r9-290x-290-owners-club/1010#post_21066287

I see no reason why aftermarket solutions won't be even better.

 

[Will Robinson]

That thread just makes a mockery of all the OMG its a furnace FUD we've been seeing.
Its nice seeing reports from err...actual owner/users of the R9

lots of Nvidia users jumped on the too loud campaign. now when we hear from actual users who are using the card it seems AMD has done a decent job for the price.

 

[raghu78]

]My only question is why wait for R290X aftermarket, when it seems thus far it takes water for the R290X just to keep pace with reference 780 OC?[/B]

Pretty obvious the R290X needs to drop below $500 now, which is good for everyone because the R290 should be $400 or less.

Nvidia still needs a 40 ROP GK110 below the 780, 770 needs to drop down to $270 to really push this gen from fail to win.

rubbish. it takes a GTX 780 around 200 mhz higher clocks to match a R9 290X. on avg across many games the R9 290X uber (which btw throttles to 925 - 950 mhz at times) is on par with GTX 780 classy.

gibbo of ocuk has benched a R9 290 (non-x) at 1.2 ghz and it beats a GTX 780 at 1.3 ghz. so stop with the lies.

 

[railven]

People will reporting better performance/overclocks on day one. As usual, the idiot fan boys of this forum are talking out of their asses instead of using actual evidence: http://www.overclock.net/t/1436497/official-amd-r9-290x-290-owners-club/1010#post_21066287

I see no reason why aftermarket solutions won't be even better.

I'm glad that we're getting more real world reports, but woof:

the 1200ish core clock scores are with 100% fan btw.

I'm still holding out for the first after market parts, but when you have money in your pocket waiting is hard

 

[BallaTheFeared]

You're quite the flip flopper.

Look at the next line in that post, your implied is confusion.

People will reporting better performance/overclocks on day one. As usual, the idiot fan boys of this forum are talking out of their asses instead of using actual evidence: http://www.overclock.net/t/1436497/official-amd-r9-290x-290-owners-club/1010#post_21066287

I see no reason why aftermarket solutions won't be even better.

People will reporting good will be hunting?

Why are you linking to a post by a user with a 100MHz overclock at 70% fan @ 84C on a 5000+ peak blower while calling people idiots?

 

[QueBert]

Just bought a 7950 a few weeks ago, sadly I'm really considering buying a reference 770 or maybe 780 just because the damn heatsink and glowing logo would look so nice thru my case window.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Why are you linking to a post by a user with a 100MHz overclock at 70% fan @ 84C on a 5000+ peak blower while calling people idiots?

OC is 150MHz core.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

So 1150 on air, 1250 on water, and 1400 on LN2?

What changed? Even that user has since downgraded to 1100/1300 which is 100/50.