[videocardz][PCPer][AT] Nvidia Price drops and 780Ti pricing/launch details

[Rvenger]

Just in case you are thinking it's something you said wrong, you didn't. I understood exactly what you said.

Notice how your testimonial on the reference cooler was completely ignored, as well. Very conveniently ignored.

Do you mean this as in most posters ignore the good so they can troll/bash AMD or that my post doesn't matter to you personally and to others?

Not being sarcastic, just need to understand a little better.

 

[blackened23]

I see all you have left at this point is trolling.

Quite the failed launch. The card is selling out nearly everywhere and Nvidia is reacting by lowering prices on most of their high end as well as releasing an 'emergency edition' part.

The point is not invalid, the 290X was a tremendous value over the GTX 780 prior to today - yet it is now overlapping with overclocked aftermarket 780s. As I've mentioned earlier, I think that the 290X absolutely delivers in terms of performance, it's a great GPU with a cooler which is the same design that AMD has used for nearly four years. That cooler is also completely and utterly outclassed by what NV offers. It's also outclassed by various cheaper 780OC aftermarket cards. Because of this, IMO, it should be 499$ or less in light of this new nvidia price cut - AMD launched the 290X at 550$ specifically gunning for the 780. So if they're gunning for the GTX 780, maintain that course and gun for the 780. They can do that with by meeting NV's price cuts.

Like moonbogg said earlier, the 290X went from "awesome!" to "ehhhh I dunno" in like 15 seconds due to this price cut. If AMD matches what NV did (in terms of a price drop) that could potentially offset it.

Anyway with that said, i'm not a fan of the gloating/trolling overtone, that is just annoying. Very annoying. I'm with you on that 100%. That applies to people in both camps.

 

[Genx87]

Well son of a B. This 5870 I bought a replacement fan for has screws so tight on the fan assembly it has gone through two screw drivers. At this point my only option is to drill it out or move on. I am leaning towards moving on. Which means I may splurge and get that 770 and give the 660 I just bought to the fiancée's kid.

I am seriously annoyed with Gigabyte right now. I take the entire assembly apart and down to the last two screws and no go. Vote with my wallet and get an EVGA card again

 

[Aikouka]

Newegg does:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ize=100&Page=1

Unless I'm missing something, that's just the Shield's product page. NCIX's Shield Bundle page has you choose a graphics card and a Shield, which I assume gives you the $50 or $100 discount.

 

[Genx87]

Ended up grabbing the Superclocked EVGA 770 with ACX cooling for 319.99 after rebate from Newegg.com

 

[SlowSpyder]

The point is not invalid, the 290X was a tremendous value over the GTX 780 prior to today - yet it is now overlapping with overclocked aftermarket 780s. As I've mentioned earlier, I think that the 290X absolutely delivers in terms of performance, it's a great GPU with a cooler which is the same design that AMD has used for nearly four years. That cooler is also completely and utterly outclassed by what NV offers. It's also outclassed by various cheaper 780OC aftermarket cards. Because of this, IMO, it should be 499$ or less in light of this new nvidia price cut - AMD launched the 290X at 550$ specifically gunning for the 780. So if they're gunning for the GTX 780, maintain that course and gun for the 780. They can do that with by meeting NV's price cuts.

Like moonbogg said earlier, the 290X went from "awesome!" to "ehhhh I dunno" in like 15 seconds due to this price cut. If AMD matches what NV did (in terms of a price drop) that could potentially offset it.

Anyway with that said, i'm not a fan of the gloating/trolling overtone, that is just annoying. Very annoying. I'm with you on that 100%. That applies to people in both camps.

The main point I was responding to is that he called it "a failed product launch". I'm sure Nvidia stole a few card sales for their partners in the very short term, but the 290X is still sold out just about everywhere and AMD launched a product that I imagine will be cheaper for them to produce than Nvidia (remember, AMD and Nvidia sell GPU's to their partners, especially when we're talking non-reference cards) while performing as well to better than the Nvidia part.

I don't see that as a failed product launch if I'm AMD.

The 780 has a base core clock of 863MHz. The fastest boost clock I saw listed was 1059MHz, or about 122% the base core clock. From what I've seen, the 290X can keep up with the 780 at less than 800MHz. We also know that if kept cool it can run at 1000MHz from the factory, or 125% of the 800MHz it takes to match a 780. That means AMD's partners need only keep the GPU at the factory boost speed to already be faster than the fastest 780 on the market, and that's ignoring that Hawaii is said to scale better than the 780 with clock speed.

Sounds like they launched a pretty good part to me. Nvidia may have stole some sales, but hardly a failed launch in my opinion.

 

[toyota]

so I see the games are included now but where is the shield voucher?

 

[blackened23]

so I see the games are included now but where is the shield voucher?

Only specific vendors have it. NCIX is IIRC the only one with it right now, that could change tomorrow.

 

[Elfear]

So which 780 models have upgraded power delivery and unlocked voltage? Only the Classified?

 

[SPBHM]

impressive price drop, the 770 is definitely a winner now, and the 780 is making the 290x look unimpressive, I mean the 780 is cheaper, almost as fast and a lot more... refined, without cooling issues and more features.

Nvidia was pretty efficient with this response to AMD... now I'm afraid AMD also needs to drop their prices lol

NV don't even need the 780 ti to be honest.

 

[toyota]

impressive price drop, the 770 is definitely a winner now, and the 780 is making the 290x look unimpressive, I mean the 780 is cheaper, almost as fast and a lot more... refined, without cooling issues and more features.

Nvidia was pretty efficient with this response to AMD... now I'm afraid AMD also needs to drop their prices lol

NV don't even need the 780 ti to be honest.

a gtx780 with one of the good coolers is faster than the 290x when both are oced. for example the EVGA ACX SC is faster than the Titan out of the box and still has more ocing headroom than the 290x. price was the only thing making the 290x look good and now it just looks like a hot, loud power hungry turd. it needs to drop to 499 pretty soon IMO.

 

[Aikouka]

Only specific vendors have it. NCIX is IIRC the only one with it right now, that could change tomorrow.

Tiger Direct is listed on NVIDIA's site as well now.

Some prices still seem to be in a weird flux, so it might be better to wait until tomorrow (the actual day of the price drop) if they don't seem where you think they should be. The Hydro Copper actually went back down, but it still isn't as low as it was earlier today nor is it as low on Newegg as it is on EVGA's website. Hopefully, they'll have the Shield promotion ready by tomorrow. I was never too keen on paying $300 for one, but $200 is palpable as long as you have a NVIDIA card for the game streaming. Without it... just use your smartphone.

 

[Face2Face]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127754

Same price as the R9 290X -- Ouch...

 

[3DVagabond]

No. Absolutely not. A thousand dollars for NV's top end and 650 for 2nd tier is utterly insane. I'm used to spending anywhere from 349-399 for a 2nd tier GPU as I always have. This is insane and has to stop. Major part of the reason I wanted AMD to do so well here.

You were also wanting AMD to make the card more expensive. I still say they should've come in @ $499. We would have seen some real price shifting in the marketplace had that of happened. Not too late for the 290 to be $399 though. :fingerscrossed:

 

[tg2708]

Man the 780's looks so awesome . I saw the hof and the lightning and I got to say alot of care went into designing these cards but alas I must resist the temptation to snag one because personally I think its a wasted investment at 1080p.

 

[Teizo]

So which 780 models have upgraded power delivery and unlocked voltage? Only the Classified?

The MSI Lightning has it, I believe. But you need a special version of Afterburner that they don't offer 'publicly'. If you email them they may send it to you.

Card is an amazing buy right now after dropping $200 overnight. $549 ain't cheap, but for what you are getting compared to the others...

 

[3DVagabond]

And consumers care about this because.....Oh wait they don't. I think everyone on the market is happy it happened, none of us care about the specifics.

I certainly hope AMD doesn't use such nonsense reasons to delay price cuts. I think the 290X should be 499$ simply because of the cooler situation, and the 290X price relation to overclocked aftermarket 780s. The 550$ price on the 290X would make sense if AMD had not severely cut corners on the cooler (AMD's ref cooler has stayed the same under the hood for 4 years).. Like I said before AMD made it a grand point to state that their guns were on the GTX 780 with their launch 290X price. So gun for the GTX 780. Right now the 780 is 50$ cheaper with objectively better software than AMD, and OC edition 780s are about 20-50$ more than that. I don't think a price cut on the recently launched 290X is out of line. Seriously who gives a crap about this supply chain stuff you're talking about. What I care about is the price I see when I click on "buy", and 780OC cards are presenting a better overall balance, which is why the 290X should lower in price to 499$. IMHO.

Well, you sure went off on a major rant for something nobody should even care about. I just said I'm curious. Because I'm a consumer I'm not allowed to be interested in the business side of it? It's nice to know you don't care. I'm not too sure I needed such a full blown a$$ chewing for you to tell me though.

Objectively better software? I guess it depends on what features you use and whether any of the stability issues nVidia has had with recent drivers effected you personally or not. I honestly don't think either company is objectively better at anything than the other for the vast majority of users.

 

[Grooveriding]

So which 780 models have upgraded power delivery and unlocked voltage? Only the Classified?

The Classified is straight forward as it has a software tool. It still is not a straight-forward implementation though because you cannot actually monitor your voltages with software after you go above 1.21V.

If you want to use a multimeter there are leads to do so, but eh... It is still the only Kepler card where you just download a piece of software, set volts and overclock.

 

[Elfear]

The MSI Lightning has it, I believe. But you need a special version of Afterburner that they don't offer 'publicly'. If you email them they may send it to you.

Card is an amazing buy right now after dropping $200 overnight. $549 ain't cheap, but for what you are getting compared to the others...

That is a good deal on the Lightning. Doesn't look like EK makes a waterblock for it though.

Now if someone can give us some benches of a 1400Mhz 780 vs a 1300Mhz 290X. I've got the itch to upgrade.

 

[3DVagabond]

The 780 can have its Thermal limit changed with a slider to prevent throttle limit, not so with the 290x.
As to the 290x being the current halo product?, what do you mean by that...it's a great GPU to be sure, however, it shouldn't have been released with that cooler, they have just lost any impedus they had with the price, I foresee heaps of issues arising with that cooler, it could well cost them in the long run.

You can always change settings and change the comparison parameters, but I'm just talking out of box settings.

What I mean by halo product is it's the fastest single gpu for gaming available. If you want to say that Titan is as good (they are really close) that's fine, but that just makes the $550 price look better than what it is. It's really the 780 it's competing with and it's 10%-15% faster.

The 290X isn't the first card to be designed to run at those temps. Sorry, but none of us have any idea whether or not there are going to be any issues because of the operating temps. Let's hope the engineers at AMD knew more about designing the card than you or I do. (Probably a pretty safe bet, actually.)

 

[Elfear]

The Classified is straight forward as it has a software tool. It still is not a straight-forward implementation though because you cannot actually monitor your voltages with software after you go above 1.21V.

Really? That is rather lame. I guess you could use a multimeter like you said.

It is still the only Kepler card where you just download a piece of software, set volts and overclock.

That's what I want. It's one of the main reasons I've gone with AMD the last few generations. Too bad the Lightning doesn't have the same kind of support because it's a pretty good deal at $550 vs $580 for the Classy.

 

[3DVagabond]

So is everyone now agreeing that game bundles are not a sign of mediocrity?

Game bundles and price cuts are done by companies who can't compete out of pure desperation. At least that's what some have said (up until now). Now price cuts are because you were simply exercising good business sense and charging what the market will bare for your product, and game bundles show great dev relations (again).

 

[3DVagabond]

Do you mean this as in most posters ignore the good so they can troll/bash AMD or that my post doesn't matter to you personally and to others?

Not being sarcastic, just need to understand a little better.

I meant I understood your post and others obviously didn't.

And yes, the part where they ignore the parts that don't support their position and have no way of disproving.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Now all we need is a R290X buyers remorse thread.

 

[3DVagabond]

The point is not invalid, the 290X was a tremendous value over the GTX 780 prior to today - yet it is now overlapping with overclocked aftermarket 780s. As I've mentioned earlier, I think that the 290X absolutely delivers in terms of performance, it's a great GPU with a cooler which is the same design that AMD has used for nearly four years. That cooler is also completely and utterly outclassed by what NV offers. It's also outclassed by various cheaper 780OC aftermarket cards. Because of this, IMO, it should be 499$ or less in light of this new nvidia price cut - AMD launched the 290X at 550$ specifically gunning for the 780. So if they're gunning for the GTX 780, maintain that course and gun for the 780. They can do that with by meeting NV's price cuts.

Like moonbogg said earlier, the 290X went from "awesome!" to "ehhhh I dunno" in like 15 seconds due to this price cut. If AMD matches what NV did (in terms of a price drop) that could potentially offset it.

Anyway with that said, i'm not a fan of the gloating/trolling overtone, that is just annoying. Very annoying. I'm with you on that 100%. That applies to people in both camps.

How many pages of posts on the cooler does it take before you realize people aren't arguing the effectiveness of the cooler? It's not as big of a deal as you are trying to make it out to be. Reference coolers are one of those things that don't matter to most people because they don't buy them. The Titan/780 reference cooler is such the bomb, but you didn't buy one. What's the point of raising the MSRP for something that the majority of customers doesn't want anyway?