[Videocardz]First GTX Titan X 3DMark benchmarks!

[Cloudfire777]

My math was correct thank you.
Its rumored countless times that 390X is GCN1.x. ie same architecture as 290X. Take Tonga which was GCN1.2. It was how much more efficient than 1.0? 5%.
Ok you are down to +30% for Titan X.
Add 10%ish (maybe?) performance with HBM. You can only go so far with memory bandwidth anyway.

How will this result in beating GTX Titan X? Unless its a brand new architecture, I cant see it happen

 

[Creig]

At what, 450W? They need something to radically reduce power consumption first.

Current rumors point to a possible 10% power savings from HBM and another 10% from voltage adaptive operations.

 

[ShintaiDK]

i think TDP will be +- same as 290x.
Why all you think AMD cant after 2 years lower power consuption or increase IPC per SP?
If they increase IPC per SP/perf/watt + HBM memory then FIJI can be 60% faster than 290x

Because we already seen GCN 1.2. They dont put on hybrid cooling because they made substantial progress in the matter. They use hybrid cooling because they need to compensate for lack of same.

 

[exar333]

i think TDP will be +- same as 290x.
Why all you think AMD cant after 2 years lower power consuption or increase IPC per SP?
If they increase IPC per SP/perf/watt + HBM memory then FIJI can be 60% faster than 290x

60% might be possible on a new node. No way we will see 60% still on 28nm. Probably in-line what Titan X is providing...35-40%.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I really can't wait for 14/16nm FinFET GPUs...

 

[Head1985]

Because we already seen GCN 1.2. They dont put on hybrid cooling because they made substantial progress in the matter. They use hybrid cooling because they need to compensate for lack fo same.

They use hybrid because AMD is so BAD in reference coolers.they cant make good reference cooler.I am sure we will see normal aftermarket FIJI with normal coolers.

Still in that chiphell leak is FIJI 60% faster than 290x and faster than TITANX.
You need stop being NV fan.
If NV can increase SP IPC AMD for sure also can.
Tonga is GCN 1.2 FIJI is 1.3.
GCN 1.2 + 5% SP IPC + Delta compression
GCN 1.3 we dont know but if they add another 5% that is already 10% over old hawaii + delta compression
45% more SP + 10% SP IPC=55% more performance + HBM+water colling=easyli 60% over 290x

 

[n0x1ous]

If NV can increase SP IPC AMD for sure also can.

No doubt they can, but Nvidia outspends AMD on R&D and it shows with nothing new in the last 2 years from AMD while Maxwell eats their lunch.

 

[Ramses]

I'm confused about market placement, I would assume the 390x would replace the 290x, which is the high end mainstream card and in NV speak, a 980 or 980ti. The Titan I thought would be along the lines of a 295x2 or whatever it is. Is it really likely that a 390x will be on the Titans level? I kinda hope not since I imagine it'll be priced like it if it is.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Exciting stuff, AMD bring on Fiji

 

[96Firebird]

Still in that chiphell leak is FIJI 60% faster than 290x and faster than TITANX.

How reliable do you think a rumor is that came out almost 6 months prior to the supposed release of the card?

At least the Titan X rumors are believable, since the card is slated to be released soon and is in reviewer's hands.

 

[railven]

Then why not go with an AMD R9 295X2?

1. The 295X2 appears to be over 20% faster than the Titan X
2. The 295X2 is extremely quiet with its AIO cooler
3. The 295X2 is only $600 while the Titan X is $1,000 or higher

Of course, the downsides are that not every game works well with CrossFire and the 295X2 requires a hefty power supply. But for around half the price of a Titan X, the tradeoffs seem acceptable. Even if you would need to upgrade your PS, you'd still be a couple hundred dollars ahead by going with the 295X2. And you'd have a new power supply.

EDIT: I see why you mentioned 295X, my mention of "I'd rather got SLI 980 before Titan X" was mostly like "screw that price!" If I had to go CFX/SLI because both AMD and NV decide to reach for the stars, I'd probably just get a second 780 as cheap as I could and wait for the prices to become reasonable.

I'd personally prefer to stay out of CFX/SLI territory. I already went there, twice, and both times I hated it. The majority of games I play are often bad console ports (with poor scaling, or no profiles) or [obscure] Korean and Japanese MMOs with again poor scaling or no profiles.

Price will factor in heavily where I go. I've enjoyed my GTX 780 Lightning and wouldn't mind staying with green, but not at >$1,000, and definitely not with a GTX 980.

 

[railven]

I'm confused about market placement, I would assume the 390x would replace the 290x, which is the high end mainstream card and in NV speak, a 980 or 980ti. The Titan I thought would be along the lines of a 295x2 or whatever it is. Is it really likely that a 390x will be on the Titans level? I kinda hope not since I imagine it'll be priced like it if it is.

It depends how you want to bracket the cards up.

By Price:
295x would compete with whatever $600-700 card NV has, currently none
EDIT: At launch it was a $1500 card, which had no direct NV competitor.

By Chips:
295x is dual Hawaii XT so it's closest competitor from NV is dual GK110 Titan Z, price wise - don't even ask.

By Performance:
295x is faster than GTX 980 but also a tad costlier.


Eventually I would imagine to see a GTX 980 Ti based on a cut down GM200 and I'd guess price ranges would be $600-800 which would then factor in the R9 295x, but then you got a dual chip card versus two single chip cards.

 

[AdamK47]

Yowsas in my trousas!

 

[stahlhart]

You need stop being NV fan.

No, you need to stop. Stick to the subject of discussion, and stop making it personal.
-- stahlhart

 

[FatherMurphy]

Yowsas in my trousas!

Haha, I've heard similar exclamations at establishments of ill repute (read: strip clubs) but never about a video card.

 

[Stuka87]

I don't see any reason why 390X cannot match a reference Titan X. AIB's may be allowed to OC the Titan X, which would move it back ahead I think. The 390X may be more power hungry, but its very possible for it to match it on raw performance.

 

[Ramses]

I guess it's possible, just seems a lofty goal.

 

[Paul98]

The 980 is basically double the specs of the 960, then the Titan X is triple the specs of the 960, and 50% more than the 980.

Might be able to get get about where actual performance will land by looking at the performance difference between the 980 and 960.

 

[railven]

I don't see any reason why 390X cannot match a reference Titan X. AIB's may be allowed to OC the Titan X, which would move it back ahead I think. The 390X may be more power hungry, but its very possible for it to match it on raw performance.

Confirmed Radeon fan here, but frankly - every single time someone posted "there is no reason why AMD's next card can't" blah blah blah, it never did.

Now we got a bunch of variables and people are interpreting it like AMD is going to pull a rabbit out of it's metaphorical hat.

As a Radeon admirer, screw it - show me the rabbit. Until then, just take what we know and deal with it.

 

[cbrunny]

Wow, impressive. This single card beats my 2x7970 (scored 6081). Finally might be worth upgrading.

 

[therealnickdanger]

The 980 is basically double the specs of the 960, then the Titan X is triple the specs of the 960, and 50% more than the 980.

I'm really surprised it scales that well, but looking at benchmarks of actual games, the 980 is ~2x the performance of the 960, except for 4K gaming due to the 2GB VRAM. Taking that into account, a GTX 960 4GB 3-way SLI would offer roughly the same performance of a TitanX for half the price (assuming a $1400 price tag). Interesting.

/Assuming you could do away with the micro-stutter.

 

[Paul98]

I'm really surprised it scales that well, but looking at benchmarks of actual games, the 980 is ~2x the performance of the 960, except for 4K gaming due to the 2GB VRAM. Taking that into account, a GTX 960 4GB 3-way SLI would offer roughly the same performance of a TitanX for half the price (assuming a $1400 price tag). Interesting.

/Assuming you could do away with the micro-stutter.

Which benchmarks did you look at?

 

[96Firebird]

Taking that into account, a GTX 960 4GB 3-way SLI would offer roughly the same performance of a TitanX for half the price (assuming a $1400 price tag).

960 can only do 2-way SLI.

 

[therealnickdanger]

Which benchmarks did you look at?

At 1080p, 2x960 = 980.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=960+sli+vs+980

It's a moot point anyway, the 960 can only do 2-way SLI apparently. The 660 and 760 could do 3-way. I wonder why they changed that?

960 can only do 2-way SLI.

Yeah, I just figured that out. Super lame.

 

[Cloudfire777]

They use hybrid because AMD is so BAD in reference coolers.they cant make good reference cooler.I am sure we will see normal aftermarket FIJI with normal coolers.

Still in that chiphell leak is FIJI 60% faster than 290x and faster than TITANX.
You need stop being NV fan.
If NV can increase SP IPC AMD for sure also can.
Tonga is GCN 1.2 FIJI is 1.3.
GCN 1.2 + 5% SP IPC + Delta compression
GCN 1.3 we dont know but if they add another 5% that is already 10% over old hawaii + delta compression
45% more SP + 10% SP IPC=55% more performance + HBM+water colling=easyli 60% over 290x

The reason why R9 295X2 had a hybrid card is because the card is a 500W TDP card. There doesnt exist any air fans that can cool off 500W.
The 295X2 had two dies spread apart. 390X is one die, and if its 350W+, there is a possibility that it will be way too hot in density to be cooled off by an air fan. Which is why they have hired Cooler Master to build a cooling system specifically for the card.

At 60% performance above 290X, it will be 10% below Titan. That is if both 290X and 390X is clocked the same. You have 290X which is at 290W. 45% more cores, you are looking at what TDP? Is 380W plausible on a single chip? What if the 390X runs on a slower clock?

Lots of uncertain things here. I still think R9 390X will come off 10-20% slower than GTX Titan X but will sell because of its price vs Titan X.