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[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
The first several responders to this thread, and especially the op...you are all idiots. You people are the reasons anti-us forces spend half their effort on propoganda, because lemmings like you are so willing so soak it up. And Aimster, why dont you just buy a 1 way ticket back to the middle east since you love it so much. I doubt many would miss you.

Don't call me an idiot little boy.

Read my second response.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: naldo

Originally posted by: clamum
Seems like there should be more to that. So US troops camp out a balcony and decide to pick off civilian cars? Doesn't make sense.

QFT

Especially since they are filming it. There must be more to this than the video shows.

Yeah exactly. . .because they are so dumb they would actually film themselves firing on innocent civilians and then let it get released on the internet.

i don't think thats a valid argument because you can never underestimate the stupidity of dumb people. And sad to say because of recruitment problems in our military, we do take dumb people.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: GRIFFIN1
Since we aren't getting all the information, we can't really know what was going on here. I doubt the soldiers decided to just start shooting random cars.

Agreed. There is no indication that those cars were just random and that they were purposefully killing civilians. If it bothers you that the soldiers take so much pleasure in killing the individuals, that is understandable...but such behavior is typical of a war zone where people often times get desensitized to killing like any other profession where an even happens regularly (emergency room nurses seeing horrible wounds for instance).

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Iraq is like what Vietnam was, you can't tell the good guys from the bad guys.

"Good guys" and "Bad guys" are all relative to your perspective anyway. This video does not tell a full story and in no way should be used to judge either side.

 

[Queasy]

Islamist Website Instructs Mujahideen in Using Popular U.S. Web Forums to Foster Anti-War Sentiment among Americans

In the past few months, Islamists engaged in "media jihad" have increased their efforts to expose as broad a Western audience as possible to their jihad films, which purport to document the growing success of the mujahideen in Iraq and Afghanistan. As part of this endeavor, they have posted jihad films on popular free video-sharing websites such as YouTube, LiveLeak, and Google Video, hoping that such films will tip public opinion in the West against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan - thus pressuring Western governments to withdraw their troops from these countries.

As part of the campaign to foster anti-war sentiment among Westerners, and more specifically among Americans, a member of the Al-Mohajroon Islamist website with the username Al-Wathiq Billah instructed mujahideen in how to infiltrate popular American forums and to use them to distribute jihad films and spread disinformation about the war.

The following are excerpts: [1]

"Raiding American Forums is Among the Most Important Means of Obtaining Victory in the Fierce Media War? and of Influencing the Views of the Weak-Minded American"

"There is no doubt, my brothers, that raiding American forums is among the most important means of obtaining victory in the fierce media war... and of influencing the views of the weak-minded American who pays his taxes so they will go to the infidel American army. This American is an idiot and does not [even] know where Iraq is... [It is therefore] mandatory for every electronic mujahid [to engage in this raiding]."

"It is better that you raid non-political forums such as music forums and trivia forums... which American people... favor... Define your target[ed forum]... and get to know it well... Post your contribution and do not get into... futile arguments..."

Indicate You Are an American

"Obviously, you have to register yourself using a purely American name... Choose an icon that indicates that you are an American, and place it next to your nickname [in the forum]."

"In my experience, the areas most visited in American forums... [are titled] 'Random Thoughts' and 'What's going on in your mind?'... [The former] takes priority in the American forums, and is highly popular. You should post your contribution there... This should include films of the mujahideen in Iraq, mujahideen publications in English, and images and films of the Americans' crimes, [such as] killing unarmed civilians in Iraq... etc."

"Invent Stories About American Soldiers You Have [Allegedly] Personally Known"

"Obviously, you should post your contribution... as an American... You should correspond with visitors to this forum, [bringing to their attention] the frustrating situation of their troops in Iraq... You should invent stories about American soldiers you have [allegedly] personally known (as classmates... or members in a club who played baseball and tennis with you) who were drafted to Iraq and then committed suicide while in service by hanging or shooting themselves..."

"Also, write using a sad tone, and tell them that you feel sorry for your [female] neighbor or co-worker who became addicted to alcohol or drugs... because her poor fiancé, a former soldier in Iraq, was paralyzed or [because] his legs were amputated... [Use any story] which will break their spirits, oh brave fighter for the sake of God..."

How to Make Americans Feel Frustrated With Their Government

"You should enter into debate or respond only if it is extremely necessary... Your concern should [only] be introducing topics which... will cause [them to feel] frustration and anger towards their government..., which will... render them hostile to Bush... and his Republican Party and make them feel they must vote ton bring the troops back from Iraq as soon as possible."

"Do not... discuss issues pertaining to Arabs or Muslims at all, whether negatively or positively... because this could be a trap for you... In addition, do not ask people to circulate the material [you have posted] in other forums... as these types of requests will expose you..."

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Islamist Website Instructs Mujahideen in Using Popular U.S. Web Forums to Foster Anti-War Sentiment among Americans

In the past few months, Islamists engaged in "media jihad" have increased their efforts to expose as broad a Western audience as possible to their jihad films, which purport to document the growing success of the mujahideen in Iraq and Afghanistan. As part of this endeavor, they have posted jihad films on popular free video-sharing websites such as YouTube, LiveLeak, and Google Video, hoping that such films will tip public opinion in the West against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan - thus pressuring Western governments to withdraw their troops from these countries.

As part of the campaign to foster anti-war sentiment among Westerners, and more specifically among Americans, a member of the Al-Mohajroon Islamist website with the username Al-Wathiq Billah instructed mujahideen in how to infiltrate popular American forums and to use them to distribute jihad films and spread disinformation about the war.

The following are excerpts: [1]

"Raiding American Forums is Among the Most Important Means of Obtaining Victory in the Fierce Media War? and of Influencing the Views of the Weak-Minded American"

"There is no doubt, my brothers, that raiding American forums is among the most important means of obtaining victory in the fierce media war... and of influencing the views of the weak-minded American who pays his taxes so they will go to the infidel American army. This American is an idiot and does not [even] know where Iraq is... [It is therefore] mandatory for every electronic mujahid [to engage in this raiding]."

"It is better that you raid non-political forums such as music forums and trivia forums... which American people... favor... Define your target[ed forum]... and get to know it well... Post your contribution and do not get into... futile arguments..."

Indicate You Are an American

"Obviously, you have to register yourself using a purely American name... Choose an icon that indicates that you are an American, and place it next to your nickname [in the forum]."

"In my experience, the areas most visited in American forums... [are titled] 'Random Thoughts' and 'What's going on in your mind?'... [The former] takes priority in the American forums, and is highly popular. You should post your contribution there... This should include films of the mujahideen in Iraq, mujahideen publications in English, and images and films of the Americans' crimes, [such as] killing unarmed civilians in Iraq... etc."

"Invent Stories About American Soldiers You Have [Allegedly] Personally Known"

"Obviously, you should post your contribution... as an American... You should correspond with visitors to this forum, [bringing to their attention] the frustrating situation of their troops in Iraq... You should invent stories about American soldiers you have [allegedly] personally known (as classmates... or members in a club who played baseball and tennis with you) who were drafted to Iraq and then committed suicide while in service by hanging or shooting themselves..."

"Also, write using a sad tone, and tell them that you feel sorry for your [female] neighbor or co-worker who became addicted to alcohol or drugs... because her poor fiancé, a former soldier in Iraq, was paralyzed or [because] his legs were amputated... [Use any story] which will break their spirits, oh brave fighter for the sake of God..."

How to Make Americans Feel Frustrated With Their Government

"You should enter into debate or respond only if it is extremely necessary... Your concern should [only] be introducing topics which... will cause [them to feel] frustration and anger towards their government..., which will... render them hostile to Bush... and his Republican Party and make them feel they must vote ton bring the troops back from Iraq as soon as possible."

"Do not... discuss issues pertaining to Arabs or Muslims at all, whether negatively or positively... because this could be a trap for you... In addition, do not ask people to circulate the material [you have posted] in other forums... as these types of requests will expose you..."

I always had my doubts about Aimster...

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
The first several responders to this thread, and especially the op...you are all idiots. You people are the reasons anti-us forces spend half their effort on propoganda, because lemmings like you are so willing so soak it up. And Aimster, why dont you just buy a 1 way ticket back to the middle east since you love it so much. I doubt many would miss you.

Nah, you're the idiot. No propaganda sways my views.
I made up my mind about this war the day it started, and I made up my mind about the armed forces long before I was able to vote.

 

[dugweb]

it sounds like they ask in the video "who we're those white cars?", but it also sounds like they were being fired at from a sniper. The cars could have been hostile, or just in the wrong place at the wrong time (driving through the middle of a fire fight = not a good idea, knowingly or not)

the soldiers we're justified imo...

either way it was sad to see how excited they got after some of the people we're killed.

Originally posted by: manowar821
Nah, you're the idiot. No propaganda sways my views.
I made up my mind about this war the day it started, and I made up my mind about the armed forces long before I was able to vote.

:roll:

you may want to clarify that, b/c you sound like an idiot

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
The first several responders to this thread, and especially the op...you are all idiots. You people are the reasons anti-us forces spend half their effort on propoganda, because lemmings like you are so willing so soak it up. And Aimster, why dont you just buy a 1 way ticket back to the middle east since you love it so much. I doubt many would miss you.

Don't call me an idiot little boy.

Read my second response.

You were an idiot for about 33 minutes, so I'll just call you dense.

Happy?

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: dugweb
it sounds like they ask in the video "who we're those white cars?", but it also sounds like they were being fired at from a sniper. The cars could have been hostile, or just in the wrong place at the wrong time (driving through the middle of a fire fight = not a good idea, knowingly or not)

the soldiers we're justified imo...

either way it was sad to see how excited they got after some of the people we're killed.

Originally posted by: manowar821
Nah, you're the idiot. No propaganda sways my views.
I made up my mind about this war the day it started, and I made up my mind about the armed forces long before I was able to vote.

:roll:

you may want to clarify that, b/c you sound like an idiot

It may be because I haven't had my coffee, but I don't follow you.

 

[RagingBITCH]

At the end they did say a sniper round hit right around where they were standing. Not to say shooting at civilians is a good thing.

 

[Tarrant64]

Whatever happened, doesn't it seem a little bit overkill?

They were enjoying that.

 

[FoBoT]

<----- P&N


"civilians" :laugh:

 

[spidey07]

Oh Look! Terrorist propoganda.

Aimster take your media Jihad elsewhere.

 

[tjaisv]

No comment on all the speculation surrounding this.

I will say though that these "Marines" sounded very unprofessional. Sounds like they were playing a video game.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Whatever happened, doesn't it seem a little bit overkill?

They were enjoying that.

People are more productive when they enjoy their work...no??

 

[csiro]

Looks like there's more to the video. It's obvious that the marines were in a firefight prior to the two cars entering the picture. Now why would someone simply drive between the marines and the insurgents? The roads were already empty at the time. It's simply suicide.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Whatever happened, doesn't it seem a little bit overkill?

They were enjoying that.

People are more productive when they enjoy their work...no??

Like said before, When you are in a firefight and your life is on the line, the adrenaline pumps and if this is not your 1st time in such a situation then you may actually start enjoying it. Besides, shooting is fun.

 

[randomlinh]

umm... I think the marines being shot by a *sniper* round pretty much says they were in an actual firefight. Anyone that gets in the middle of that is bound to be dead/severely injured.

 

[MrWizzard]

I hate what people do with little clips of media to twist the story and I can't stand how the general public just eats it up.

It's like that nam clip of the North Vietnamese guy getting shot in the head by the South Vietnamese guy. Everyone went crazy about how wrong that was, that was totally justified knowing the back-story. S.M., S.P.

 

[Quasmo]

There is so much red tape in Iraq that I find it almost impossible for this to not be some sort of firefight.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: dugweb
it sounds like they ask in the video "who we're those white cars?", but it also sounds like they were being fired at from a sniper. The cars could have been hostile, or just in the wrong place at the wrong time (driving through the middle of a fire fight = not a good idea, knowingly or not)

the soldiers we're justified imo...

either way it was sad to see how excited they got after some of the people we're killed.

Originally posted by: manowar821
Nah, you're the idiot. No propaganda sways my views.
I made up my mind about this war the day it started, and I made up my mind about the armed forces long before I was able to vote.

:roll:

you may want to clarify that, b/c you sound like an idiot

It may be because I haven't had my coffee, but I don't follow you.

I gotta agree.. you sound like an idiot.

 

[AUMM]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Whatever happened, doesn't it seem a little bit overkill?

They were enjoying that.

People are more productive when they enjoy their work...no??

Like said before, When you are in a firefight and your life is on the line, the adrenaline pumps and if this is not your 1st time in such a situation then you may actually start enjoying it. Besides, shooting is fun.

I dont think there is any scenario possible where I would enjoy killing a human being...

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: AUMM

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
Whatever happened, doesn't it seem a little bit overkill?

They were enjoying that.

People are more productive when they enjoy their work...no??

Like said before, When you are in a firefight and your life is on the line, the adrenaline pumps and if this is not your 1st time in such a situation then you may actually start enjoying it. Besides, shooting is fun.

I dont think there is any scenario possible where I would enjoy killing a human being...

I would think it's a very different mentality. They are seen solely as an enemy. I'm pretty sure I'd be pumped up too in a firefight. Altho, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make it through basic training either...

 

[manowar821]

You can say that I sounded like an idiot, but I'm right.
This war is BS.
The armed forces act like children, and now we have to clean up the country we blew to pieces. I don't enjoy having my hard earned tax dollars spent on murdering people for god knows what reason, and on building policies that take rights away from me and everyone else.
Nationalist pigs.