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[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: ZippyDan
video games, fun, enjoying... um yes, thats exactly what is going on here. shooting guns is fun. shooting people can be fun (thats why so many of our video games involve... shooting people), especially if you do it enough.

im not saying its right, but what you see here is certainly not abnormal and is to be expected. how exactly do you expect these soldiers to go about their daily routines (yes, routines that often involve shooting things and people): grim faced and sad monks? sure i bet some are. but if you think this kind of behaviour is atypical then you are living in some fantasy world.

now whether they were civilians or not i can only speculate and i couldnt defend the killing of civilians (though it is equally uninformed to assume that they are civilians, the checkpoint explanation above is perfectly reasonable... if true), but it certainly is dumb to criticize their demeanors.

Yep, it is very similar to gallow's humor. I remember seeing a video of some Marines driving around in a Humvee on patrol when all of the sudden you hear a loud crack and the camera pans around to a window with a large indention and shatter marks all around it. The Marines in the Humvee all started and laughing and making cracks about Iraqi Mosquitos....they had just been shot at by a sniper.

Okay, that's just plain hilarious... Damn iraqi mosquitoes.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
The first several responders to this thread, and especially the op...you are all idiots. You people are the reasons anti-us forces spend half their effort on propoganda, because lemmings like you are so willing so soak it up. And Aimster, why dont you just buy a 1 way ticket back to the middle east since you love it so much. I doubt many would miss you.

Nah, you're the idiot. No propaganda sways my views.
I made up my mind about this war the day it started, and I made up my mind about the armed forces long before I was able to vote.

In almost all cases, if you made up your mind about something before you were able to vote, ie under 18, and that hasnt changed, you are an idiot.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
The first several responders to this thread, and especially the op...you are all idiots. You people are the reasons anti-us forces spend half their effort on propoganda, because lemmings like you are so willing so soak it up. And Aimster, why dont you just buy a 1 way ticket back to the middle east since you love it so much. I doubt many would miss you.

Nah, you're the idiot. No propaganda sways my views.
I made up my mind about this war the day it started, and I made up my mind about the armed forces long before I was able to vote.

In almost all cases, if you made up your mind about something before you were able to vote, ie under 18, and that hasnt changed, you are an idiot.

How does that make sense? You know what I've noticed? There are far fewer bigots, racists and all around assholes under 18 these days. Maybe it's because they're on to something. Like NOT being jerk-offs?

Just a thought.

Older does not always = wiser.

I think the real reason why there is so much controversy today is not because society has become more screwed up, but rather as the generations pass by, people become less likely to believe bullsh1t, and more likely to think for themselves. This has the traditionalists and fundies PISSED. They don't want their way to be lost. Which is why we have fundie terrorists, which is why we have fundie christian organizations trying to repress people or spread nationalism, etc etc..

In any case, the post I originally replied to sounded like much more idiotic that I ever could. Since when is ANTI-US evil? Perhaps the US is actually a giant pushy monster of a country? Perhaps we are the bad guys, too? How dare I, I should move to the middle east.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. Quit being a nationalist pig.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
The first several responders to this thread, and especially the op...you are all idiots. You people are the reasons anti-us forces spend half their effort on propoganda, because lemmings like you are so willing so soak it up. And Aimster, why dont you just buy a 1 way ticket back to the middle east since you love it so much. I doubt many would miss you.

Nah, you're the idiot. No propaganda sways my views.
I made up my mind about this war the day it started, and I made up my mind about the armed forces long before I was able to vote.

In almost all cases, if you made up your mind about something before you were able to vote, ie under 18, and that hasnt changed, you are an idiot.

How does that make sense? You know what I've noticed? There are far fewer bigots, racists and all around assholes under 18 these days. Maybe it's because they're on to something. Like NOT being jerk-offs?

Just a thought.

Older does not always = wiser.

I think the real reason why there is so much controversy today is not because society has become more screwed up, but rather as the generations pass by, people become less likely to believe bullsh1t, and more likely to think for themselves. This has the traditionalists and fundies PISSED. They don't want their way to be lost. Which is why we have fundie terrorists, which is why we have fundie christian organizations trying to repress people or spread nationalism, etc etc..

In any case, the post I originally replied to sounded like much more idiotic that I ever could. Since when is ANTI-US evil? Perhaps the US is actually a giant pushy monster of a country? Perhaps we are the bad guys, too? How dare I, I should move to the middle east.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. Quit being a nationalist pig.

That's the beautiful thing about this country... you can be an ungrateful, spiteful, hate-filled person all you want and I can be a nationalist pig all I want.

As to the vid and the OP's 'interpretation' of it... :roll:

 

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Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: manowar821
You can say that I sounded like an idiot, but I'm right.
This war is BS.
The armed forces act like children, and now we have to clean up the country we blew to pieces. I don't enjoy having my hard earned tax dollars spent on murdering people for god knows what reason, and on building policies that take rights away from me and everyone else.
Nationalist pigs.

Then move?

God damn, I cannot stand childish responses like this. "If you don't like it then move!"

No.
Being born in the united states wasn't my conscious choice, so I shouldn't have to change my views for the views of the pigs that run this country.

What is the use in just running away, instead of doing something about the problem? If I ran, then people after me would have to deal with this sh1t too. Maybe if enough people like me stick around, we can actually change something for the better.

Then move... What a joke.

Hook, line and sinker. :laugh:

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yep...let's take a video with no context and get outraged!

Meanwhile, we can ignore stuff like this...since you know, it isn't something American soldiers did:

Insurgents in Iraq detonated an explosives-rigged vehicle with two children in the back seat after US soldiers let it through a Baghdad checkpoint over the weekend, a senior US military official said Tuesday.

The vehicle was stopped at the checkpoint but was allowed through when soldiers saw the children in the back, said Major General Michael Barbero of the Pentagon's Joint Staff.

"Children in the back seat lowered suspicion. We let it move through. They parked the vehicle, and the adults ran out and detonated it with the children in the back," Barbero said.

The general said it was the first time he had seen a report of insurgents using children in suicide bombings. But he said Al-Qaeda in Iraq is changing tactics in response to the tighter controls around the city.

A US defense official said the incident occurred on Sunday in Baghdad's Adhamiyah district, a mixed neighborhood adjacent to Sadr City, which is predominantly Shiite.

After going through the checkpoint, the vehicle parked next to a market across the street from a school, said the official, who asked not to be identified.

"And the two adults were seen to get out of the vehicle, and run from the vehicle, and then followed by the detonation of the vehicle," the official said.

"It killed the two children inside as well as three other civilians in the vicinity. So, a total of five killed, seven injured," the official said.

Officials here said they did not know who the children were or their relationship to the two adults who fled the scene. They had no information about their ages or genders.

"The brutality and the ruthlessness of this enemy hasn't changed," said Barbero, deputy director of regional operations of the Joint Staff. "They are just interested in slaughtering Iraqi civilians, to be very honest."

Attacks on Iraqi civilians are down by a third and sectarian murders have fallen by 50 percent since mid-February when US and Iraqi forces began moving into Baghdad as part of a new security crackdown, the general said.

On the other hand, there has been no let-up in attacks on US forces by Al-Qaeda in Iraq and other Sunni extremist groups, he said.

The incidence of car bombings and suicide attacks, which are typically carried out by Sunni extremist groups against Shiites, also have gone up even though their effectiveness is down, he said.

"As our checkpoints, and control points have been more effective, as they try to execute these high profile attacks with these vehicle-borne IEDs (improvised explosive devices) in Baghdad, we're stopping a lot of them at these checkpoints and they are not getting to their intended targets," he said.

Wtf does this have to do with whether or not American soldiers knowingly shot at innocent Iraqi's in this vid?

What sickens me more than shooting innocent civilians in a battle are people who defend it with irrelevant BS in an effort to not hold anyone accountable for possible heinous acts.

You don't have a clue anymore than any other people what the situation was here, so feel free to leave any irrelevant BS out of it.

Personally I find the video disturbing on multiple fronts, whether or not innocents died.

Video with no context provided of the situation but it was obviously made with the "Evil American Soldiers are killing innocent Iraqis!! America is bad! Soldiers are disgusting!".

Just pointing out how interesting it is that people work up all sorts of outrage over this (where there is obviously more to the story than is shown) but ignore something truly outrageous like insurgents/terrorists using children to sneak in a car bomb and leaving the children in the car when it goes off.

Just my opinion. I don't find the video to be all that disturbing simply because it is a pretty f'd up place in parts of Iraq right now with people running checkpoints, driving car bombs, using children in attacks, and now using chlorine gas in attacks. The Marines are fighting. Plain and simple.

I don't find chlorine bombs or children used in bombings to justify any killing of innocent civilians. It only justifies how ascenine it was to go to war with this country and how incompetent and ignorant our leaders have been in managing the result of its ascenine actions.

We're basically currently at war with a civilian army (since they don't have a military infrastructure like we do), which means kill us any fvcking way possible. And if you think its going to get better by shaming the insurgents and denouncing their 'immoral' methods in killing people, you're disallusioned. It doesn't matter if you drop a 5k bomb on someone, or a chlorine bomb in their path, its the exact same sh!t (except they didn't start the war begging for this crap, WE did.)

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: manowar821
You can say that I sounded like an idiot, but I'm right.
This war is BS.
The armed forces act like children, and now we have to clean up the country we blew to pieces. I don't enjoy having my hard earned tax dollars spent on murdering people for god knows what reason, and on building policies that take rights away from me and everyone else.
Nationalist pigs.

Then move?

God damn, I cannot stand childish responses like this. "If you don't like it then move!"

No.
Being born in the united states wasn't my conscious choice, so I shouldn't have to change my views for the views of the pigs that run this country.

What is the use in just running away, instead of doing something about the problem? If I ran, then people after me would have to deal with this sh1t too. Maybe if enough people like me stick around, we can actually change something for the better.

Then move... What a joke.

Hook, line and sinker. :laugh:

Oh... I see what you did there...

Excellent troll.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
The first several responders to this thread, and especially the op...you are all idiots. You people are the reasons anti-us forces spend half their effort on propoganda, because lemmings like you are so willing so soak it up. And Aimster, why dont you just buy a 1 way ticket back to the middle east since you love it so much. I doubt many would miss you.

Nah, you're the idiot. No propaganda sways my views.
I made up my mind about this war the day it started, and I made up my mind about the armed forces long before I was able to vote.

In almost all cases, if you made up your mind about something before you were able to vote, ie under 18, and that hasnt changed, you are an idiot.

How does that make sense? You know what I've noticed? There are far fewer bigots, racists and all around assholes under 18 these days. Maybe it's because they're on to something. Like NOT being jerk-offs?

Just a thought.

Older does not always = wiser.

I think the real reason why there is so much controversy today is not because society has become more screwed up, but rather as the generations pass by, people become less likely to believe bullsh1t, and more likely to think for themselves. This has the traditionalists and fundies PISSED. They don't want their way to be lost. Which is why we have fundie terrorists, which is why we have fundie christian organizations trying to repress people or spread nationalism, etc etc..

In any case, the post I originally replied to sounded like much more idiotic that I ever could. Since when is ANTI-US evil? Perhaps the US is actually a giant pushy monster of a country? Perhaps we are the bad guys, too? How dare I, I should move to the middle east.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. Quit being a nationalist pig.

yup

 

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Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: supafly

Originally posted by: manowar821
You can say that I sounded like an idiot, but I'm right.
This war is BS.
The armed forces act like children, and now we have to clean up the country we blew to pieces. I don't enjoy having my hard earned tax dollars spent on murdering people for god knows what reason, and on building policies that take rights away from me and everyone else.
Nationalist pigs.

Then move?

God damn, I cannot stand childish responses like this. "If you don't like it then move!"

No.
Being born in the united states wasn't my conscious choice, so I shouldn't have to change my views for the views of the pigs that run this country.

What is the use in just running away, instead of doing something about the problem? If I ran, then people after me would have to deal with this sh1t too. Maybe if enough people like me stick around, we can actually change something for the better.

Then move... What a joke.

Hook, line and sinker. :laugh:

Oh... I see what you did there...

Excellent troll.

Thanks noob.