Video of trump supporter and CNN interview

[interchange]

This woman was a victim of a Russian propaganda scheme. We aren't going to get people to change their minds without compassionately recognizing that it is an ordinary human thing to be susceptible to such duplicity.

 

[Moonbeam]

This woman was a victim of a Russian propaganda scheme. We aren't going to get people to change their minds without compassionately recognizing that it is an ordinary human thing to be susceptible to such duplicity.

I see an additional issue. How do we arrive at such a compassionate state when the propagandized individuals are dangerously deranged and seemingly unreachable by anything. Seems to be an ordinary human thing to blame dupes for being such. Perhaps a deeper issue is how to have compassion when you don't have it and don't like people who don't have it.

 

[Jaskalas]

She epitomizes the typical Trump voter and that is the most frightening aspect of all. My parents worship Donald J Trump and no matter how bad the news gets they stand behind their orange man. No amount of truth is accepted by them because they refuse to accept anything that doesn't coincide with what they want to believe. They are the adult equivalent of little children watching my little pony.

I had a conversation with them about how it was a bad idea to arm the teachers after the latest school shooting and it was like lighting a powder keg. Republicans with guns are one of the most scary things you will ever witness. Conservative values for the fail.

The more politicized the media becomes, the more our messengers appear as political operatives with agendas and axes to grind, the less truth can be absorbed. Because, as Trump gleefully paints them, the media has become the "enemy". Walls are built around people's minds, they will not listen to someone attacking them, they will resist that which causes them harm, makes them feel pain. Or shame.

It is the mere nature of partisanship, in the human mind, that guarantees "no amount of truth is accepted".

We have to acknowledge what has happened, what is happening, and how it relates to our more primitive instincts. When someone is approached with confrontational data, the same parts of the brain light up indicating an actual physical threat. The brain actively rejects learning in that situation.

• Neural correlates of maintaining one’s political beliefs in the face of counterevidence
• This is why you get worked up about politics, according to science
• When someone challenges your political views, your brain treats them as a threat

 

[interchange]

I see an additional issue. How do we arrive at such a compassionate state when the propagandized individuals are dangerously deranged and seemingly unreachable by anything. Seems to be an ordinary human thing to blame dupes for being such. Perhaps a deeper issue is how to have compassion when you don't have it and don't like people who don't have it.

You can choose to express your anger that someone can make huge mistakes that affect you, or you can choose to hold it back and recognize that you have the same capacity yourself. One choice means offloading your anger with no hope of change. The other means swallowing your anger with small hope of change.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The more politicized the media becomes, the more our messengers appear as political operatives with agendas and axes to grind, the less truth can be absorbed. Because, as Trump gleefully paints them, the media has become the "enemy". Walls are built around people's minds, they will not listen to someone attacking them, they will resist that which causes them harm, makes them feel pain. Or shame.

It is the mere nature of partisanship, in the human mind, that guarantees "no amount of truth is accepted".

We have to acknowledge what has happened, what is happening, and how it relates to our more primitive instincts. When someone is approached with confrontational data, the same parts of the brain light up indicating an actual physical threat. The brain actively rejects learning in that situation.

• Neural correlates of maintaining one’s political beliefs in the face of counterevidence
• This is why you get worked up about politics, according to science
• When someone challenges your political views, your brain treats them as a threat

Excellent point. Humans are indeed curious creatures.

 

[HomerJS]

The more politicized the media becomes, the more our messengers appear as political operatives with agendas and axes to grind, the less truth can be absorbed. Because, as Trump gleefully paints them, the media has become the "enemy". Walls are built around people's minds, they will not listen to someone attacking them, they will resist that which causes them harm, makes them feel pain. Or shame.

It is the mere nature of partisanship, in the human mind, that guarantees "no amount of truth is accepted".

We have to acknowledge what has happened, what is happening, and how it relates to our more primitive instincts. When someone is approached with confrontational data, the same parts of the brain light up indicating an actual physical threat. The brain actively rejects learning in that situation.

• Neural correlates of maintaining one’s political beliefs in the face of counterevidence
• This is why you get worked up about politics, according to science
• When someone challenges your political views, your brain treats them as a threat

Based on what I see in this and other forums its the right that has a problem with actual evidence. Most of us choose to make a conclusion based on evaluating that known evidence.

I have friends who don't know why their parents exhibit this same behavior. I have a friend when I told her about Trump's "good people on both sides" quote her response was "he didn't mean it"

 

[SNC]

In a way she’s not wrong. The people there were Trump supporters. They don’t know who organized it. Well they didn’t know.

Meh. Just seems like shaming to me. She didn’t work with the Russians.

Just a useful idiot.

 

[Moonbeam]

You can choose to express your anger that someone can make huge mistakes that affect you, or you can choose to hold it back and recognize that you have the same capacity yourself. One choice means offloading your anger with no hope of change. The other means swallowing your anger with small hope of change.

I remember a men's group I once was invited to join where I sat in a chair and expressed some feelings of anger and having beaten my thighs black and blue in that rage suddenly began wailing about a painful event that had happened to me as a child accompanied by the knowledge that it was the pain of that event that my rage was there to protect me from feeling. The outpouring of that grief left me giddy with joy and relief. You can find who you are by feeling your story, by telling it to yourself.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Just a useful idiot.

Yup. And she, not people like her, will be reached by this sort of shaming. She’s one of many. Why plaster her everywhere for the masses to point and laugh? You know she will be inundated with hate, threats etc... for this. That only serves to harden the people like her. Not open them up to logic and reason.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yup. And she, not people like her, will be reached by this sort of shaming. She’s one of many. Why plaster her everywhere for the masses to point and laugh? You know she will be inundated with hate, threats etc... for this. That only serves to harden the people like her. Not open them up to logic and reason.

I hear that turtles react in the same manner when attacked...seeking shelter within their shell. If only the turtle understood 'logic and reason' as well as the "enlightened" among us who zealously attack it. Then perhaps the world would be a much better place.

 

[Moonbeam]

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I hear that turtles react in the same manner when attacked...seeking shelter within their shell. If only the turtle understood 'logic and reason' as well as the "enlightened" among us who zealously attack it. Then perhaps the world would be a much better place.

And if we are talking stampeding buffalow bearing down on a town full of children? You seem to see the problem only as innocence rather than possible dangerous ignorance.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

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And if we are talking stampeding buffalow bearing down on a town full of children? You seem to see the problem only as innocence rather than possible dangerous ignorance.

You see stampeding buffalo bearing down on a town full of children? Really?

I see bullies, bigotry and rationalization. Funny how that works.

 

[SNC]

Yup. And she, not people like her, will be reached by this sort of shaming. She’s one of many. Why plaster her everywhere for the masses to point and laugh? You know she will be inundated with hate, threats etc... for this. That only serves to harden the people like her. Not open them up to logic and reason.

So should we take her cake and coffee? How do you propose to get people to come to the realization that they were duped? If she is even unwilling to entertain the thought let her harden to the point she cracks up and falls apart.

 

[soundforbjt]

What can you expect, to get her to change you’d have to get her to stop watching Fox News, that’ll never happen.

 

[Moonbeam]

You see stampeding buffalo bearing down on a town full of children? Really?

I see bullies, bigotry and rationalization. Funny how that works.

Sorry if I don’t find it funny. I see bullies, bigotry, and rationalization too, on the part of that woman and psyops triggered tools just like her full of blind hatred, and the same set of three from liberals against her. What you fail to include in your analysis of the situation, owing to your justified moral outrage against just one set of bigots, is that that tools so easily manipulated by psychological warfare are also a real and present danger. You are moral in some directions but lack wider perspective.

That woman is not at cause for her ignorance but neither are liberals. What you won’t deal with is that blameless people can be very dangerous.

 

[interchange]

I remember a men's group I once was invited to join where I sat in a chair and expressed some feelings of anger and having beaten my thighs black and blue in that rage suddenly began wailing about a painful event that had happened to me as a child accompanied by the knowledge that it was the pain of that event that my rage was there to protect me from feeling. The outpouring of that grief left me giddy with joy and relief. You can find who you are by feeling your story, by telling it to yourself.

Oh it can definitely be great to feel your anger. It just needs to be directed in the appropriate place.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Sorry if I don’t find it funny. I see bullies, bigotry, and rationalization too, on the part of that woman and psyops triggered tools just like her full of blind hatred, and the same set of three from liberals against her. What you fail to include in your analysis of the situation, owing to your justified moral outrage against just one set of bigots, is that that tools so easily manipulated by psychological warfare are also a real and present danger. You are moral in some directions but lack wider perspective.

That woman is not at cause for her ignorance but neither are liberals. What you won’t deal with is that blameless people can be very dangerous.

I just see her as an ignorant old woman. But she obviously represents something that you deeply fear. And this "wider perspective" you mention...looks a lot like rationalization to me.

What does she represent to you that makes you so afraid of her?

 

[Thebobo]

I just see her as an ignorant old woman. But she obviously represents something that you deeply fear. And this "wider perspective" you mention...looks a lot like rationalization to me. What does she represent to you that makes you so afraid of her?

I am fearful not of her but fearful she isn't alone and this is what can happen to more americans unless we pay more attention.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh it can definitely be great to feel your anger. It just needs to be directed in the appropriate place.

So, Lock Her Up! It would solve all of America's problems like a magic spell.

 

[Jhhnn]

I just see her as an ignorant old woman. But she obviously represents something that you deeply fear. And this "wider perspective" you mention...looks a lot like rationalization to me.

What does she represent to you that makes you so afraid of her?

Do you see her as more or less ignorant than the other 63M Americans who voted for Trump?

 

[Moonbeam]

My sense of the danger is expressed here in 2012:

http://billmoyers.com/segment/jonathan-haidt-explains-our-contentious-culture/

I think it's will be worth your time.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I am fearfully not of her but fearful she isn't alone and this is what can happen to more americans unless we pay more attention.

Ignorance, projection and rationalization are pervasive intellectual/psychological shortcomings among humans....regardless of political/nonpolitical self identification. What exactly is it that you fear in this particular case? What does this old woman represent to you? I don't get it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

My sense of the danger is expressed here in 2012:

http://billmoyers.com/segment/jonathan-haidt-explains-our-contentious-culture/

I think it's will be worth your time.

Instead of me guessing...please summarize your point.

 

[HomerJS]

Ignorance, projection and rationalization are pervasive intellectual/psychological shortcomings among humans....regardless of political/nonpolitical self identification. What exactly is it that you fear in this particular case? What does this old woman represent to you? I don't get it.

Because people like her who deny reality, vote. Unfortunately there are a lot of them

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Do you see her as more or less ignorant than the other 63M Americans who voted for Trump?

I imagine the spectrum to be quite broad (probably as broad as it was for the 66M who voted for Hillary)...but I also see that this is most likely impossible for you to imagine.