Question Video Graphics Assistance/ Need Video Card

[synoptic12]

Seeking assistance relating to the purchase of a compatible graphics card. Currently have a HP Pavilion HP 6370t CTO with MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E) motherboard > American Megatrends Inc 5.15, 6/25/2010 > Processor Intel ® Core i5 CPU 650 @ 3.20GHZ, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical. Current video graphics Nvidia GT220 (OEM).

I am seeking some information regarding the purchase of a video card that I need. I currently have a GT220 Nvidia but it needs replacement. Contacted EVGA as the tech said the graphics card would be contingent upon the (UEFI). He said it may or may not work. My PC is going on ten years (HP Pavilion- P6370t). The motherboard is MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E). I am trying to acquire information as to whether this board supports UEFI. What graphics cards can I use. Bios Version/ Date: American Megatrends Inc 5.15, 6/25/2010. All replies are very much appreciated. I am in need of a graphics card.

Have received much controversy in varying opinions, different techs state different things. Looking for a PCIe 2.0 x16 Single socket. All information or assistance is very much appreciated.

HP and Compaq Desktop PCs - Motherboard Specifications, MS-7613 (Iona-GL8E) | HP® Customer Support

Specification for the Iona motherboard

support.hp.com

 

[synoptic12]

Oh no. Definitely go for the GT 630. It's not only a way better deal, thanks to the generous offer by a fellow forum member, it's a far far better piece of hardware. AMD has long neglected anything earlier than their 7000 series. You have to use relatively ancient drivers for a 5450, and they are about the bottom of the barrel kind of card, like a 210.

That 630 is your winning ticket, a perfect match and basically free

* I noticed your digital signature. El is my Savior and redemption is my goal, redemption of my body, namely my soul at the transfiguration. I'm certain you guys will be in the fold.

 

[Golgatha]

* No offense, I really do not care for used. Looking for a 620 or 630.

No offense taken. Good luck finding what you want.

 

[Golgatha]

That driver is also applicable to the GT620 with better bench marks. (391.35) > Checked tech support with NVIDIA. I believe the last issue date was 2018.

The GT 630 I have will work with the 391.35 drivers, but it's on the current support list for the driver revision just released yesterday (11/12/2019).

See here - https://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/153944

If you feel you must have a new card from the same era, Microcenter has three GT 210s in stock.

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Just be aware the driver support for the GT 210 ended even earlier.

Version	342.01 - WHQL
Release Date	Wed Dec 14, 2016

 

[Golgatha]

"No offense man, we're helping you out as much as we can, and by "we", I mean the technically-proficient among us. You've been getting great advice,"
I just wanted to clarify that statement I made, I meant that as a compliment towards those helping you, not as a slight at anyone else. I was just trying to emphasize to you, OP, that the people helping you are very competent, knowledgeable, and trustworthy, I didn't mean it as a slight to you, nor anyone else on this forum.

Basically, I was trying to tell you, "stop worrying and trust us, we have years of experience doing this stuff, we wouldn't lead you wrong".

I'm very sorry if perhaps you took that comment the wrong way, or I worded it poorly. I know that you've been reaching out to several tech communities on the web, as well as HP's support.


@Arkaign is a fair bit more professional and diplomatic than I am.

I think that his suggestion to remove your existing card, and try the onboard video, could be prescriptive, if your monitor will connect to one of the onboard outputs.

I would like to assist you, if you are willing, more with the black-screen problem. It could be that your PC has other problems, and simply your low-powered video card fan failing, is not the actual cause of your issues, though replacing it with another one, if you can get a hold of one free or nearly free, might aid in diagnosis.

Agreed, there's been solid advice here and everyone commenting seems to know their stuff. Me personally, I have A+ certifications for PCs, printers, and networking, and I've been building machines (both AMD and Intel based consumer and servers) since the 486 days; so two decades plus of hands on hardware experience.

 

[synoptic12]

No offense taken. Good luck finding what you want.

* Not a problem. Have many supporters and many options. May God bless you.

 

[Spjut]

The GT 630 I have will work with the 391.35 drivers, but it's on the current support list for the driver revision just released yesterday (11/12/2019).

See here - https://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/153944

Nvidia made the whole 600 series a mess because alot of the low-end cards are rebranded 400/500 cards. There are three models of the GT 630, two which are Fermi.

 

[Golgatha]

Nvidia made the whole 600 series a mess because alot of the low-end cards are rebranded 400/500 cards. There are three models of the GT 630, two which are Fermi.

Yep, the one I have is GK208, Kepler 2.0 or the newest one with 384 shaders. I had to be very careful back in the day to get this one, as I planned to do some very light gaming on it, or at least wanted the option to. Regarding nVidia's low-end rebranding, I have a GT 720 using the same core as my GT 630. They're essentially the same card performance wise.

 

[synoptic12]

Nvidia made the whole 600 series a mess because alot of the low-end cards are rebranded 400/500 cards. There are three models of the GT 630, two which are Fermi.

* I'm aware of the rebadeging 'ALONG WITH THE GT630 ON THE SUPPORT LIST' (That is why I did not get the 630), namely of the 500 series; uncertain if the 400 was part of it. The drivers are said to be poor as to the 610 and 620. What is the difference between Kepler and Fermi? I believe the 610 and 620 are both 2.0 x 16 bus interface; which I was seeking. Irrespective of the drivers, I purchased the 620 from Larry (New). As long as it works, I'm satisfied. Not into gaming, so the card should suffice. The outputs were of importance to me as at least having an HDMI and not an HDMI-mini, along with DVI, and/or VGA. I was undecided as to purchase the 610 or 620 contingent upon the specs. The 610 has 29w, whereas the 620 has 49w and supposedly better shader units. The clock is 110MHz faster with the 610 (810MHz) as opposed to the 620 maintaining 700MHz. Varying opinions and sites list the specifications differently or the same, irrespective of the output power. I was mostly concerned with the bus interface on having 16X as opposed to 8X or I would have purchased the 710. It is not about the money but the fit and compatibility. Thank you very much for your input.

So, there you have it. A reply to the aforesaid information is appreciated.

 

[synoptic12]

Yep, the one I have is GK208, Kepler 2.0 or the newest one with 384 shaders. I had to be very careful back in the day to get this one, as I planned to do some very light gaming on it, or at least wanted the option to. Regarding nVidia's low-end rebranding, I have a GT 720 using the same core as my GT 630. They're essentially the same card performance wise.

But, is the 720 16x or 8x? Do you believe that the GT620 should suffice for just video and graphics. What of the drivers, are they really poor? I believe the last update to the aforesaid card was in 2018 (end of life). 391.35. Just seeking a card that works and will provide 1080P. Audio and video, along with editing is what I do.

 

[Spjut]

Someone else will probably provide better answers but here's my take.

Kepler is still supported, supporting the latest WDDM, still getting new DirectX12 and Vulkan features. It's probably better for video decoding since it has hybrid decoding for HEVC and even provides 4k 60 hz using HDMI 1.4 via a driver hack (https://www.anandtech.com/show/8191/nvidia-kepler-cards-get-hdmi-4k60hz-support-kind-of).
Fermi is out of support, doesn't support Vulkan, and is limited to 1080p via HDMI.

I have used a GT 610 myself (Fermi) for HTPC purposes and some light gaming and emulation. I've never noticed any driver issues. Even the DX12 support, which no one even believed would arrive any longer, made wonders for Dolphin.

I have no idea about editing work.

 

[synoptic12]

Someone else will probably provide better answers but here's my take.

Kepler is still supported, supporting the latest WDDM, still getting new DirectX12 and Vulkan features. It's probably better for video decoding since it has hybrid decoding for HEVC and even provides 4k 60 hz using HDMI 1.4 via a driver hack (https://www.anandtech.com/show/8191/nvidia-kepler-cards-get-hdmi-4k60hz-support-kind-of).
Fermi is out of support, doesn't support Vulkan, and is limited to 1080p via HDMI.

I have used a GT 610 myself (Fermi) for HTPC purposes and some light gaming and emulation. I've never noticed any driver issues. Even the DX12 support, which no one even believed would arrive any longer, made wonders for Dolphin.

I have no idea about editing work.

* Thank you very much for the information. Not interested in gaming, never have been. The 1080p is sufficient and DirectX really is insignificant to me, along with 3d. I currently have 3D with the GT220 and never use it; set to automatic which allows changes by the card.

I cannot stay online long. Graphics card is getting hot and fan stopped. At intervals, I log in for email.

 

[Golgatha]

In the time being, you should pull your graphics card out of the machine and use the onboard Intel HD graphics. Your motherboard has at least VGA connection. The onboard Intel graphics aren't available until you pull the GT 220 graphics card from the computer tower.

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[Golgatha]

But, is the 720 16x or 8x? Do you believe that the GT620 should suffice for just video and graphics. What of the drivers, are they really poor? I believe the last update to the aforesaid card was in 2018 (end of life). 391.35. Just seeking a card that works and will provide 1080P. Audio and video, along with editing is what I do.

Any of those cards will work. Both the 720 and 630 are 8x cards. 8x cards can be inserted into a 16x slot without issue (as can 1x, 2x, 4x cards); it's all electrically compatible.

 

[synoptic12]

In the time being, you should pull your graphics card out of the machine and use the onboard Intel HD graphics. Your motherboard has at least VGA connection. The onboard Intel graphics aren't available until you pull the GT 220 graphics card from the computer tower.

Intel® Core™ i5-650 Processor (4M Cache, 3.20 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i5-650 Processor (4M Cache, 3.20 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

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* Thanks much, do not care to go through the aggravation. Wouldn't you know it though, that I am in critical need of an operating system at this current time. This could not have occurred at a worse time.

* I noticed the graphics base is 733 MHz on the Mobo. Good thing I went with the GT620 with a lower clock of 700MHz, rather than 810MHz for the GT610. What do you think?

 

[mouseluxi]

Thanks you Arkaign

 

[Golgatha]

* Thanks much, do not care to go through the aggravation. Wouldn't you know it though, that I am in critical need of an operating system at this current time. This could not have occurred at a worse time.

* I noticed the graphics base is 733 MHz on the Mobo. Good thing I went with the GT620 with a lower clock of 700MHz, rather than 810MHz for the GT610. What do you think?

The graphics chip is built into the CPU and has nothing to do with your motherboard or discrete graphics card (the GT 220 in your case). If you remove the GT 220, the graphics chip built into the CPU will get activated and the video ports on your motherboard will become active.

 

[synoptic12]

Hey Larry, what's the idea. I want my money back for the card. I was not able to get or obtain the "Bonus" Movie Download> *Expired December 31, 2013. What gives?

Nah, just kidding. Installed the graphics card. Works well, very quiet. Not the quality of the Nvidia board but the PNY has cooling fins, an added benefit. That was the issue, 'video card'. Crashes were coming more frequent, card getting extremely hot, and fan fluttering, sticking > That was the problem. At least, I'm 99.9 % sure. Checked the PSU, Memory, Motherboard in which were no issues, including the hard drive. Thanks very much Larry, truly appreciated. You know, I should receive an adjustment in that the Bonus offer is no longer applicable

*Some pics of the original graphics card. It appears the capacitors, at least one could be partially burned. The raceway looks good. What a difference with the new card.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Hey Larry, what's the idea. I want my money back for the card. I was not able to get or obtain the "Bonus" Movie Download> *Expired December 31, 2013. What gives?

Nah, just kidding. Installed the graphics card. Works well, very quiet. Not the quality of the Nvidia board but the PNY has cooling fins, an added benefit. That was the issue, 'video card'. Crashes were coming more frequent, card getting extremely hot, and fan fluttering, sticking > That was the problem. At least, I'm 99.9 % sure. Checked the PSU, Memory, Motherboard in which were no issues, including the hard drive. Thanks very much Larry, truly appreciated. You know, I should receive an adjustment in that the Bonus offer is no longer applicable

Let's just say, I only read your first comment, and was not amused. For the record, I never made any representation whatsoever about any sort of "Free movie" or "Bonus offer" with the card. It was a sticker from who knows how long ago, left on the packaging from the mfg.

I did tell you that they haven't made these cards in like 4 years, but I was probably wrong, it's probably been 6 years since they've made these. I bought them on clearance, and sold that one to you for what I paid, which was far lower than MSRP.

If you want an "Adjustment", howabout, next time I charge you full MSRP + shipping. Sounds fair, right?

And yes, I'm glad that you got the card I sold you you working. Hopefully, that was the problem.

I think that this may be the card. Says 44W TDP:

PNY GeForce GT 620 - graphics card - GF GT 620 - 1 GB Specs

PNY GeForce GT 620 - graphics card - GF GT 620 - 1 GB overview and full product specs on CNET.

www.cnet.com

 

[synoptic12]

Let's just say, I only read your first comment, and was not amused. For the record, I never made any representation whatsoever about any sort of "Free movie" or "Bonus offer" with the card. It was a sticker from who knows how long ago, left on the packaging from the mfg.

I did tell you that they haven't made these cards in like 4 years, but I was probably wrong, it's probably been 6 years since they've made these. I bought them on clearance, and sold that one to you for what I paid, which was far lower than MSRP.

If you want an "Adjustment", howabout, next time I charge you full MSRP + shipping. Sounds fair, right?

And yes, I'm glad that you got the card I sold you you working. Hopefully, that was the problem.

I think that this may be the card. Says 44W TDP:

PNY GeForce GT 620 - graphics card - GF GT 620 - 1 GB Specs

PNY GeForce GT 620 - graphics card - GF GT 620 - 1 GB overview and full product specs on CNET.

www.cnet.com

* Just a joke Larry, no offense.

 

[synoptic12]

* Again, so that the comment is visible. Please accept my apologies, it was merely a joke. Sent you a PM. Pics of the card and box with offer you sent me.

 

[synoptic12]

Supplement:
I’m seeking to acquire the difference in the below two graphics cards as to which is better and why. Please point out the pros and cons of each, along with any insight as to architecture. I have some knowledge but am limited to intrinsic variables. Below are the specifications of each graphics card (GT220 and GT620). All replies adjoining the below listed are most appreciated.

NVIDIA GeForce GT 220

Driver Version - 341.44
Direct 3D API version: - 10.1
CUDA Cores: - 48
Graphics Clock: - 615 Mhz
Processor Clock: - 1335 Mhz
Memory data rate: - 1580 Mhz
Memory interface: - 128-bit
Total available graphics: - 2747 MB
Dedicated video memory: 1024 MB DDR 3
System video memory: - 0 MB
Shared system memory: - 1723 MB
Video BIOS version: - 70.16.3C.00.05
IRQ: - 16
Bus: - PCI Express x 16 Gen 2
Device Id: - 10DE 0A20 19101462
_________________________________________________________________
GT620

Driver Version: 391.35
Direct3D API version: 11
Direct3D feature level: 11_0
CUDA Cores: 96
Graphics clock: 700 Mhz
Processor clock: 1400 Mhz
Memory data rate: 1070 Mhz
Memory interface: 64-bit
Memory bandwidth: 8.56 GB/s
Total available graphics: 2747 MB
Dedicated video memory: 1024 MB DDR3
System video memory: 0 MB
Shared system memory: 1723 MB
Video BIOS version: 70.08.AE.00.00
IRQ: Not used
Bus: PCI Express x16 Gen 2
Device Id: 10DE 0F01 0F01196E
Part Number: 1071 0009

 

[Arkaign]

Getting down to the most important bits, this is the difference :

GT 220 is an Nvidia 'Tesla' generation card :

Tesla (microarchitecture) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is an extremely old design, first premiering in 2006, and was tweaked and updated here and there all the way through circa 2010. The GT220 is codename 'G94' core. Capabilities are DirectX 11.1, OpenGL 3.3, CUDA 1.1, and Shader Model 4.0. It has 48 Shader Units (you could loosely call these 'GPU Cores')

Performance wise, you see FP32 of 144.0 Gflops

Comparing directly to GT620 you see that it has 268.8Gflops, or a bit more than 140% of the performance of the GT220.

In addition, the architecture is much more modern, supporting DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, CUDA 2.1, and Shader Model 5.1. These standards mean better compatibility with software as it gets updated, and more efficient operation. The GT620 has 96 Shader Cores, exactly double that of the GT220. GT620 is based on Nvidia Fermi, which is 4+ years newer than Tesla, and the GT620 specifically is the GF108 Core.

More details here on each :

NVIDIA GeForce GT 220 Specs

NVIDIA G94, 600 MHz, 48 Cores, 24 TMUs, 8 ROPs, 1024 MB GDDR3, 700 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce GT 620 Specs

NVIDIA GF108, 700 MHz, 96 Cores, 16 TMUs, 4 ROPs, 1024 MB DDR3, 900 MHz, 64 bit

www.techpowerup.com

In comparing graphics cards, it's easiest to dial things down to a few things. Because architecture efficiencies vary drastically, one card being 1200Mhz and another 1500Mhz is meaningless without examining what the actual capabilities and real world performance are. A 1200Mhz card may indeed be far faster than a different model that is 1500Mhz. We have already seen this in CPU performance. A 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 is only the smallest fraction of the performance of a single core of a modern CPU @ 3.2Ghz clock speed, perhaps 10% or less in some cases.

 

[synoptic12]

Getting down to the most important bits, this is the difference :

GT 220 is an Nvidia 'Tesla' generation card :

Tesla (microarchitecture) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is an extremely old design, first premiering in 2006, and was tweaked and updated here and there all the way through circa 2010. The GT220 is codename 'G94' core. Capabilities are DirectX 11.1, OpenGL 3.3, CUDA 1.1, and Shader Model 4.0. It has 48 Shader Units (you could loosely call these 'GPU Cores')

Performance wise, you see FP32 of 144.0 Gflops

Comparing directly to GT620 you see that it has 268.8Gflops, or a bit more than 140% of the performance of the GT220.

In addition, the architecture is much more modern, supporting DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, CUDA 2.1, and Shader Model 5.1. These standards mean better compatibility with software as it gets updated, and more efficient operation. The GT620 has 96 Shader Cores, exactly double that of the GT220. GT620 is based on Nvidia Fermi, which is 4+ years newer than Tesla, and the GT620 specifically is the GF108 Core.

More details here on each :

NVIDIA GeForce GT 220 Specs

NVIDIA G94, 600 MHz, 48 Cores, 24 TMUs, 8 ROPs, 1024 MB GDDR3, 700 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce GT 620 Specs

NVIDIA GF108, 700 MHz, 96 Cores, 16 TMUs, 4 ROPs, 1024 MB DDR3, 900 MHz, 64 bit

www.techpowerup.com

In comparing graphics cards, it's easiest to dial things down to a few things. Because architecture efficiencies vary drastically, one card being 1200Mhz and another 1500Mhz is meaningless without examining what the actual capabilities and real world performance are. A 1200Mhz card may indeed be far faster than a different model that is 1500Mhz. We have already seen this in CPU performance. A 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 is only the smallest fraction of the performance of a single core of a modern CPU @ 3.2Ghz clock speed, perhaps 10% or less in some cases.

* Thank you very much for that valuable information. What of the 64 bit vs the 128 in the bandwidth or pipeline? I was concerned with that aspect, irrespective of the changing architecture . I'll check that link. You bring to mind technical aspects I've long forgotten.

* You are correct. However, the grade of circuit boards and components have been lowered. If you look at the GT220, that board is Military grade. The PNY is not nearly as good. In addition, the i.c's are more robust on the GT220. The caps are far superior on the GT220 board. This doesn't bother me for everything is junk today.

 

[VirtualLarry]

You are correct. However, the grade of circuit boards and components have been lowered. If you look at the GT220, that board is Military grade. The PNY is not nearly as good.

LOLWHAT? Military grade? Your old GT220 was an HP OEM part. PCB/component-wise, I don't see any significant differences in quality. Are you referring to the copper-finned cooler on the GT220? That was an older, hotter-running chip, and required better cooling.

Better believe that if it were truly "Military Grade", that it wouldn't have failed so soon.

 

[synoptic12]

* Seeking some help regarding the NVIDIA Web Helper > 'What is it and should I disable? A link is inserted which I need some help with. All replies are appreciated.

NVIDIA Web Helper.exe Windows process - What is it?

Windows 10/11/7 doesn't need NVIDIA Web Helper.exe. Click here to know if NVIDIA Web Helper is safe and how to avoid NVIDIA Web Helper.exe errors.

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