vid; 69 Camaro vs Supra

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Ornery

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Cars don't need to be sturdy? Lost me again! :confused:



Up what ante?

Make their truck offering better! Use that wondrous hi-tech crap that ricers luv!
 
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Originally posted by: Ornery
Cars don't need to be sturdy? Lost me again! :confused:



Up what ante?

Make their truck offering better! Use that wondrous hi-tech crap that ricers luv!
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Japanese cars have focused on dominating the market in small and midsize passenger cars for quite some time now. The design attributes of those cars, however, don't apply to large sedans and trucks, which is what I think Vic was getting at.
 
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Vic

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Originally posted by: Ornery
Cars don't need to be sturdy? Lost me again! :confused:
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I didn't say that. A ladder frame doesn't guarantee superior strength or rigidity. You don't see a lot of ladder frame race cars, now do ya?

A truck requires a ladder frame so that it can carry payload and tow, i.e. for strength on forces that would tear the vehicle apart. As a function of its utility, like I said. Cars don't generally have such needs. Instead, a unibody frame meets a car's needs better, providing rigidity and stength against forces that would compress it (i.e. in an accident).
 
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Ornery

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Where have you been?

That's still a RWD, closed-box frame, that only gets 16 / 21MPG, with as much engine as they can muster. I linked to TOYota's offering just to be fair.


unibody frame meets a car's needs better

Just like the POS, FWD engine/tranny assembly, it meets MANUFACTURER'S requirements for blasting out crap as cheaply as possible, and meeting CAFE standards.
 
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Sluggo

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Wow, over 100 posts and no nitpickers pointed out the fact that its not a '69 Camaro.

Its either a '67 or '68, I'm leaning towards '68.
 
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Originally posted by: Ornery
Where have you been?

That's still a FWD biased AWD, closed-box frame on ladder-frame underpinnings, that only gets 16 / 21MPG, with as much engine as they need for a midsize pickup. I linked to TOYota's offering just to be fair.
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Fixed a few little errors for you.

- M4H
 

Originally posted by: Ornery
I'm lost. You tout the advanced engineering of small hyper powertrains, including turbos, and manual trannies, but when they want to compete with old fashioned American technology, that all flies out the window! WTF? Why not fall back on that "superior" technology? :confused:
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Don't play dumb. Well, you don't have to play..

You engineer the machine to fit the needs of the job.
 
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MercenaryForHire

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Ornery
I'm lost. You tout the advanced engineering of small hyper powertrains, including turbos, and manual trannies, but when they want to compete with old fashioned American technology, that all flies out the window! WTF? Why not fall back on that "superior" technology? :confused:
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Don't play dumb. Well, you don't have to play..

You engineer the machine to fit the needs of the job.
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But ... but ... my Civic needs a 5.8L V8 with 400hp and torque to get me to work.

- M4H
 
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Ornery

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my Civic needs a Vtec with an uber 1337 manual and 18" dubs to get me to work.

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Face it, econoboxes are "engineered" to be adequate. I guess I just prefer an over-engineered chassis and drive train... for the same price!
 
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MercenaryForHire

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Originally posted by: Ornery
my Civic needs a Vtec with an uber 1337 manual and 18" dubs to get me to work.

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Your age is showing, Gramps.

And Ram's / 300C's / Navigators / etc, really need Dubs, y0. :roll:

Face it, econoboxes are "engineered" to be adequate. I guess I just prefer an over-engineered chassis and drive train... for the same price!
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"Over-engineered" indeed ... what's that expression? "Too many cooks..." :p

I'd rather have my four functional, economical cylinders than have Honda try to weld two blocks together at a 90 and call it a V8 VTECHEMI.

- M4H
 
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BenSkywalker

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Wow, over 100 posts and no nitpickers pointed out the fact that its not a '69 Camaro.

Its either a '67 or '68, I'm leaning towards '68.
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Good call about it not being a '69, it is a '67("smokers windows").
 
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lavaheadache

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It looked like the bum driving the supra really blew the start. Even if the camaro is faster off the line, I would love to see those same two cars have a rolling start at 70 mph, which would be the sweet spot for the TT supra. That race was the sweet spot for the camaro, both beautiful cars designed for two very different purposes. Nobody seemed to notice huge tires on the back of the camaro and street tires on the supra did they? BTW, stock for stock, there would be no competion between the 2, the Supra would own.
 
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tcsenter

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The guy in the Supra probably got spooked when he heard the Camaro's exhaust note under full throttle. I'm not kidding.

If you've ever been next to a highly modified drag car with fairly unrestricted exhaust under full throttle, you know what I'm talking about. It produces deafening acoustic waves that go through your chest wall, even when you're inside another car. It can rattle your cage a bit unless you're accustomed to it.
 
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Ornery

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'93 Toyota Supra Turbo
  • Price: $40,000
    Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
    Engine Type: Twin-Turbo Inline-6
    0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
    0-100 mph: 11.8 sec
    Quarter Mile: 13.6 sec @ 106 mph
    Top Speed: 155 mph
'93 Camaro Z28
  • Price: $20,590
    0-60 mph: 5.4 sec
    0-100 mph: 16.8 sec
    Quarter Mile: 14.1 sec @ 101 mph
'68 Camaro Z/28
  • Car and Driver tested a '68 Z/28 at an amazing 5.3-second 0-60, 13.8 seconds at 107 mph for the quarter-mile and 132-mph top end.
 
Vic

Vic

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Originally posted by: Ornery
'93 Toyota Supra Turbo
  • Price: $40,000
    Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
    Engine Type: Twin-Turbo Inline-6
    0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
    0-100 mph: 11.8 sec
    Quarter Mile: 13.6 sec @ 106 mph
    Top Speed: 155 mph
'93 Camaro Z28
  • Price: $20,590
    0-60 mph: 5.4 sec
    0-100 mph: 16.8 sec
    Quarter Mile: 14.1 sec @ 101 mph
'68 Camaro Z/28
  • Car and Driver tested a '68 Z/28 at an amazing 5.3-second 0-60, 13.8 seconds at 107 mph for the quarter-mile and 132-mph top end.
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Yeah, it was amazing because it was non-production. A common manufacturer gimmic in those days was to give a highly modified but stock appearing car to the magazines to test and publish the numbers on. Car and Driver was (and still is to some extent) the guiltiest of those magazines.
Actual 1/4 mile of a stock production '67 Camaro 350SS (which is what the car in the video is, except highly modified) was 15.8 seconds at 89 mph. A '68 396SS could do 14.7@99mph, and a '69 Z28 did 15.1@95.
And no, a set of modern radials would not have brought any 15 second muscle car down into the 12's.
 

Originally posted by: Ornery
my Civic needs a Vtec with an uber 1337 manual and 18" dubs to get me to work.

FIXED

Face it, econoboxes are "engineered" to be adequate. I guess I just prefer an over-engineered chassis and drive train... for the same price!
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You never make any sense, and your knowledge of cars is typically severely lacking.
 
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Mo0o

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Looks like the camaro had much more done under the hood than the supra. I wonder what the results would be like if the supra owner spent as much time/money on his car.
 
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