vid; 69 Camaro vs Supra

[Ornery]

The Camaro and Firebirds were seriously beefed up in the rear for racing.

My friends & family have the wondrous new technology, suffer the cost of repairs, and I doubt they give a damn about power-robbing valvetrains, etc. I know, because I'm asked to work on their FWD cars all the time! As crude as old technology is, it's still the way to go for service vehicles, and a helluva a LOT easier and cheaper to repair when the time comes!

 

[bret]

there both good cars...

the winner is the one with the most knowledge of their car, most money, and best driving abilities.

both cars can push about the same amount of HP, its just what you like the best, there is no need to argue about this.

i have a drag - 476 AWHP WRX and had a Single Turbo 94 Supra.. i have beaten and been beaten by V8's but of course they were faster than 10.5

and Vic the supra has excellent handling abilities and stays on the road.. even a 210mph.. its scary but fun.

well im gonna stop before i get drug into this.. but 1 thing you guys forgot to argue about was... spark plugs... i think you got everything else.

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
It looked like the bum driving the supra really blew the start. Even if the camaro is faster off the line, I would love to see those same two cars have a rolling start at 70 mph, which would be the sweet spot for the TT supra. That race was the sweet spot for the camaro, both beautiful cars designed for two very different purposes. Nobody seemed to notice huge tires on the back of the camaro and street tires on the supra did they? BTW, stock for stock, there would be no competion between the 2, the Supra would own.

I disagree with this line of reasoning.

First of all, the Supra owner obviously agreed to the race, so it's not like he was there against his will. Drag races don't start at 70mph, and they did not race from a 70 mph roll, so that's irrelevant.

As for being stock, nobody wants to race stock cars. The Supra owner knew that the Camaro wasn't stock, so he wasn't fooled into racing a car that he thought was stock.

I always go by the old saying "run what you brung." There's no consolation prize for the guy with the best excuse.

dont be a dip shit!~ You put forth argument to what I was saying, when all I said was they are both great cars that serve very different purposes. Where did I say drag races start at 70? I was implying a high speed race the supra would own. I love all cars, And would like either of these fine machines. Why dont you try to understand what I was saying before you post. Not meaning to offend you if you take this that way

 

[bret]

me = I = agree with lavaheadache

and many people race stock cars.. alot of people also dont know about other cars but their own. people race ofr money and fun

and yes a roll will be more of a challenge for the ss

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Ornery
The Camaro and Firebirds were seriously beefed up in the rear for racing.

My friends & family have the wondrous new technology, suffer the cost of repairs, and I doubt they give a damn about power-robbing valvetrains, etc. I know, because I'm asked to work on their FWD cars all the time! As crude as old technology is, it's still the way to go for service vehicles, and a helluva a LOT easier and cheaper to repair when the time comes!

So your friends and family, like you, bought sh*tty cars that they like repairing. :roll:

Frankly, I like my car to run.

- M4H

 

[Ornery]

Yeah, the one I worked on last was a '98 Avalon. It's due for the timing belt change right now, and I ain't the one who is going to do it. My wife's '99 G. Marquis, with the same mileage, doesn't need any such "scheduled service", and is a helluva lot more pleasent to drive.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
You put forth argument to what I was saying, when all I said was they are both great cars that serve very different purposes.

Yes, they're both nice cars and I wouldn't mind having one of each.

 

[Glendor]

Originally posted by: Reck

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: Reck
the supra stalled off the line btw. a stock supra does 0-60 in 5.0 seconds so yea...

No, the supra got owned.

The supra was barely moving at 50 feet, the driver messed up or there was something the matter with his car.

Yea, it was a Supra.

 

[Glendor]

Originally posted by: no0b
Funny how "Hemi" means nothing considering most 4v engines have hemispherical heads. Ricer boys could slap Hemi badges to their civics and technicaly be accurate.

Please! Don't give them any ideas...

 

[exdeath]

I wouldn't mind either car.

I'm a guy who hates ricers, but the Supra is one of the FEW Japanese cars I don't consider a 'ricer' provided it is done correctly (after all you can make a Ferrari into a ricer if all you do is stick a fart pipe on it).

1200+ HP at 35 lbs of boost from an inline 6 is simply amazing.... I'm only running 700 RWHP out of my '03 cobra right now and thats good enough for me since it's my daily driver. When it's no longer my daily car and I don't have to worry about breaking something I'm tempted to build a blown 5.4L shortblock with 1000+ HP

 

[exdeath]

Anyone know what that Camaro had in it? Sounded like a NA big block to me (from what little the tape could capture), 454 maybe?

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: exdeath
I wouldn't mind either car.

I'm a guy who hates ricers, but the Supra is one of the FEW Japanese cars I don't consider a 'ricer' provided it is done correctly (after all you can make a Ferrari into a ricer if all you do is stick a fart pipe on it).

1200+ HP at 35 lbs of boost from an inline 6 is simply amazing.... I'm only running 700 RWHP out of my '03 cobra right now and thats good enough for me since it's my daily driver. When it's no longer my daily car and I don't have to worry about breaking something I'm tempted to build a blown 5.4L shortblock with 1000+ HP

what do you have done to your cobra?

 

[Saint Nick]

ROFL that supra got rocked "OMGH OW DO I DRIEV STIK SHIFTTT???!1/1/"

 

[Zenmervolt]

Ornery, I'm going to get you on a technicality that my father got me on a week or so ago.

Every FWD car uses U-Joints in the driveshafts. A CV joint _is_ a U-Joint, it's just a special subset of the class that is more broadly known as U-Joints (technical name for a CV is a "constant velocity universal joint"). Just like a turbo is a supercharger (technical name for a turbo is a "turbine-driven centrifugal supercharger").

ZV

EDIT: That said, I really think that my next new car will be one of these.

 

[LeadMagnet]

I bought a car from a drug runner in Florida back in the 80s. 73' SD TransAm with a blueprinted 455 bored over .030" to a 488cuin (8L) had nitrus and 2.73GEARS! I couldn't beat a Yugo off the line, but it came alive when it hit 40MHP.

I miss that old rust bucket. No suspension, foot+ wide tires all the way around, 36gal fuel tank, and hidden compartments welded behind the seats for the goods to be transported. Painted flat black as not reflect light and 3 special switches (1 turned on running lights, 2 nitrus, 3 turned of brake lights).

 

[Ornery]

I know they're technically tiny u-joints Aaron, but they're a bitch to get at, cost too much, are unnecessary if you don't pack the tranny in with the engine, and you drive the rear wheels, as God intended!

Have fun with that little beastie. I probably won't own anything like that for a LONG time, since I only buy used cars, and refuse to buy a used sports car.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Where did I say drag races start at 70? I was implying a high speed race the supra would own.

From 70-100 the Camaro should smoke the Supra- that would be the ideal race for the Camaro going up against a newer Supra- off the line was always muscle cars weakest point. Check out the 0-60 versus quarter mile times for current cars compared to muscle cars. In ETs a Supra would best a gen one F car by a couple tenths in the quarter and likely a bit over half a second 0-60, but the F body would have a higher trap speed in the quarter.

Get up in the 120 range and over and the superior aerodynamics of the Supra would really start being a major factor.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
From 70-100 the Camaro should smoke the Supra- that would be the ideal race for the Camaro going up against a newer Supra- off the line was always muscle cars weakest point.

I thought the Supra had way less torque at the low end than a Camaro.

 

[BenSkywalker]

I thought the Supra had way less torque at the low end than a Camaro.

In a way, that's part of the advantage. The Camaro can not put power to the ground at low speeds, that is why the Supra will have ETs in the quarter a few tenths quicker then the Camaro while its trap speed will be a few mph or so lower.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: PHiuR

Originally posted by: exdeath
I wouldn't mind either car.

I'm a guy who hates ricers, but the Supra is one of the FEW Japanese cars I don't consider a 'ricer' provided it is done correctly (after all you can make a Ferrari into a ricer if all you do is stick a fart pipe on it).

1200+ HP at 35 lbs of boost from an inline 6 is simply amazing.... I'm only running 700 RWHP out of my '03 cobra right now and thats good enough for me since it's my daily driver. When it's no longer my daily car and I don't have to worry about breaking something I'm tempted to build a blown 5.4L shortblock with 1000+ HP

what do you have done to your cobra?

Just the typical KB blower swap, cold air, pulley, chip, bassani cat backs and x pipe, etc.

i.e. same thing everyone else does with their '03 heh