Victim gets gun from attacker who is raping his date

Jay5

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to bad it wont make the news,they gotta continue there anti gun agenda and only show the crazy mass murders
 

emperus

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to bad it wont make the news,they gotta continue there anti gun agenda and only show the crazy mass murders

They got held up by the guy with the gun. The gun here was the cause of the problem. I'm not sure how this would help the pro-gun cause.
 
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They got held up by the guy with the gun. The gun here was the cause of the problem. I'm not sure how this would help the pro-gun cause.



So, in your mind, if guns didn't exist the attacker wouldn't have used a knife, acid, or any other weapon to commit this crime?
 
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waggy

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They got held up by the guy with the gun. The gun here was the cause of the problem. I'm not sure how this would help the pro-gun cause.

what? bwhahahahah yeah the cause of hte problem was the gun. :confused:
 

Gerle

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They got held up by the guy with the gun. The gun here was the cause of the problem. I'm not sure how this would help the pro-gun cause.

No, you said it yourself; they got held up by the guy. The gun was a tool he used, but that's all it was, a tool.
 

emperus

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what? bwhahahahah yeah the cause of hte problem was the gun. :confused:


This is just dumb. Did you at all read what I wrote or what I was replying to? Try it again.

This was what I responded to .
to bad it wont make the news,they gotta continue there anti gun agenda and only show the crazy mass murders
And again, this is my response.
They got held up by the guy with the gun. The gun here was the cause of the problem. I'm not sure how this would help the pro-gun cause
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Now, there is the context for you. Carry On.
 

emperus

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No, you said it yourself; they got held up by the guy. The gun was a tool he used, but that's all it was, a tool.

A tool created to maim and kill. But, it's just a tool.

Again, the assailant had the gun. He held them up with the gun. He started molesting the guys girlfriend because of the gun.

And somehow, the moral of the story is this is why we should have more Guns? Makes perfect sense.
 

Gerle

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He could have done the same thing with a knife or a screwdriver. Ban those as well?
Yes, the tool itself is not responsible, it can be used for good or bad.
 
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Lepton87

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He could have done the same thing with a knife or a screwdriver. Ban those as well?
Yes, the tool itself is not responsible, it can be used for good or bad.

He could but probably wouldn't because he wouldn't have such a big advantage over his victims. Also it's so much easier to run away from an attacker that is armed with a knife then from one that has a gun. People feel much safer attacking someone with a gun then with a knife. Anyway attacking someone with a knife in a country such as the US is just plain silly, showing up with a knife to a gunfight is never a good idea. A gun is such a superior weapon to a knife that there is no comparison.
 

Murloc

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He could have done the same thing with a knife or a screwdriver. Ban those as well?
Yes, the tool itself is not responsible, it can be used for good or bad.
heh, it's debatable.
With a knife against 2 people isn't as easy. You need to put it to someone's throat first to become a credible threat and force them to do stuff.
With a gun he could just walk up to them and point it at them to get in control. Do that with a knife and the victims may just run away, or wrestle.
 
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Lepton87

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heh, it's debatable.
With a knife against 2 people isn't as easy. You need to put it to someone's throat first to become a credible threat and force them to do stuff.
With a gun he could just walk up to them and point it at them to get in control. Do that with a knife and the victims may just run away, or wrestle.

Exactly. When someone dares to make an assault with a gun doesn't mean that he would have done the same thing with a knife. It takes balls to do that with a knife whereas with a gun it doesn't. Cowards gravitate towards guns like moths to a light.
 

Lepton87

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Why is the alternative always a knife? What if he had a crossbow, or a broadsword instead?

Still way inferior to a gun. Nothing really comes close. Broadsword? It would be easy to run away from someone that wields it. Crossbow? One shot and you would be very vulnerable until you reloaded.
 

Zaap

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Just a news search for the term "held at knifepoint" reveals an endless string of reports of criminals doing just that to one or several people. Only in the imagination of internet nerds do people morph into Bruce Lee and fight off an aggressor with a knife they're threatening to sink into your vitals rather than comply with being robbed or whatever else said aggressor demands.

But by all means... back to anti-gun fantasyland.
 
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Still way inferior to a gun. Nothing really comes close. Broadsword? It would be easy to run away from someone that wields it. Crossbow? One shot and you would be very vulnerable until you reloaded.


A gun is merely a means for violence.

Have you seen the results of these acid attacks? Someone with a small jar of acid could do just as much damage as a gun.


It's insane to me that you modern progressives blame the gun rather than the actual perpetrator of a crime.
 

Lepton87

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A gun is merely a means for violence.

Have you seen the results of these acid attacks? Someone with a small jar of acid could do just as much damage as a gun.


It's insane to me that you modern progressives blame the gun rather than the actual perpetrator of a crime.

Unfortunately I did I wish I hadn't. All I'm saying is that a gun has such an unparalleled effectiveness in killing people that comparisons to crude weapons such as a knife are moot. It's like comparing an abacus to a computer.
 
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Unfortunately I did I wish I hadn't. All I'm saying is that a gun has such an unparalleled effectiveness in killing people that comparisons to crude weapons such as a knife are moot. It's like comparing an abacus to a computer.


It's not unparalleled in close quarters attacks. A gun's major benefit is from a distance - 10ft and further.

For a direct close quarters attack, I would rather be shot by a gun than get acid thrown on me.
 

Gerle

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Knives seem to have worked in the Chinese train station attack. Murloc, have you ever been held at gunpoint or knifepoint? What did it feel like?
 

Veliko

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So, in your mind, if guns didn't exist the attacker wouldn't have used a knife, acid, or any other weapon to commit this crime?

Acid? Yeah, that would be my choice of weapon too.

Comes in handy if you're up against someone with a potion of ageing or a poultice of decay.
 

jackstar7

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Clearly the calls for acid control are on the rise... but we need to remember that it is just a tool.