Vick to be paid more than Manning....

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: SofaKing

Originally posted by: Argo
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No offense, but Vick isn't half the player Peyton is.

Vick is almost everything Manning is as a quarterback AND more. Do you see Peyton rushing for 48 yd touchdowns? I think not. Vick is without a doubt more valuable a player than Peyton Manning, when he's healthy of course.

Vick is a QB, not a running back. Douche.

 

[iotone]

well, you never know what will happen to either player you know?? as of right now i think manning is definitely better, but there's always room to improve (for both of them)

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: SofaKing

Originally posted by: Argo
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No offense, but Vick isn't half the player Peyton is.

Vick is almost everything Manning is as a quarterback AND more. Do you see Peyton rushing for 48 yd touchdowns? I think not. Vick is without a doubt more valuable a player than Peyton Manning, when he's healthy of course.

Vick is a QB, not a running back. Douche.

Hey dumbass, if Vick never ran do you think we'd even be having this thread discussion? No, he's a running QB, accept it. Unless he learns to run less and pass more (and complete them) he just can't last long like a Testaverde and be effective in the NFL.

 

[brian_riendeau]

While Kordell Stewart can run the ball, he was not half the athlete Vick is. Vick is on pace to break 1000 yards rushing this year in an offense that was designed to keep him in the pocket more.

If Atlanta could have bagged themselves a real QB as well and use Vick in such senarios I think they'd be even better off

This is stupid, if you just used him in situations, other teams would see him coming a mile away. As QB, it is not like Vick is the worst in the league strictly as a passer.

Not every team wants to run a normal offense with a pocket passer.

 

[preslove]

Manning will probably get more money than vick when he gets a new contract. Contracts leapfrog, ya know. Unless there are issues with a salary cap.

 

[Hammer]

vick has the better agent obviously

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Sorry, but Vixk is nothing more than a tailback lining up behind center.

What does that have do with anything? 11-3 speaks for itself.

It's called defense

Let's look at his latest QB ratings:
51.8, 86.5, 29.1, 87.1, 109.4, 76.8, 136.1 & 13.9
Only twice in 8 games did he throw for more than 200 yards, 3 of the 8 he did not get a TD at all.
In those 8 games he has 9 throwing TD's, 2 running TD's and 8 Interceptions. He is average at best. For Gods sake a 13.1 rating against KC, my grandma could do better than that.

Compare it to Mannings:
94.1, 124.5, 122.3, 141.4, 108.8, 115.7, 144.8, 122.5
He has thrown for 200 yds in all those games, twice over 400
In those 8 games he has 30 throwing TD's and 6 interceptions
His game against KC was a paltry 472 yarder with 5 TD's and 1 pick

So far this season, only 25 QB's have higher ratings than Vick

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: preslove
Manning will probably get more money than vick when he gets a new contract. Contracts leapfrog, ya know. Unless there are issues with a salary cap.

Manning already got anew contract.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: preslove
Manning will probably get more money than vick when he gets a new contract. Contracts leapfrog, ya know. Unless there are issues with a salary cap.

Manning already got anew contract.

Well, then he's screwed.

 

[Deeko]

You guys saying Manning got "screwed" or that he "doesn't have as good an agent"...THE GUY GOT $34 million! Until this contract, it was the biggest in NFL history, so shut up already!

As for Vick vs Manning...uhm, how can you even compare? Manning is the far superior QB. Yes, Vick is a great guy to have behind center, and yes, he can do things Manning can't...but if you were starting a franchise and had to choose one or the other, who in their right mind would choose Vick?

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: preslove
Manning will probably get more money than vick when he gets a new contract. Contracts leapfrog, ya know. Unless there are issues with a salary cap.

Manning already got anew contract.

Well, then he's screwed.

He was highest played player in NFL. This new contract will make Vick the highest paid player in NFL.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Deeko
You guys saying Manning got "screwed" or that he "doesn't have as good an agent"...THE GUY GOT $34 million! Until this contract, it was the biggest in NFL history, so shut up already!

As for Vick vs Manning...uhm, how can you even compare? Manning is the far superior QB. Yes, Vick is a great guy to have behind center, and yes, he can do things Manning can't...but if you were starting a franchise and had to choose one or the other, who in their right mind would choose Vick?

Which is exactly my point. That's a lot of money to lock up in a guy who many argue isn't that good and who due to the nature of his play may spend a lot of time injured.

 

[brian_riendeau]

It's called defense

Let's look at his latest QB ratings:
51.8, 86.5, 29.1, 87.1, 109.4, 76.8, 136.1 & 13.9
Only twice in 8 games did he throw for more than 200 yards, 3 of the 8 he did not get a TD at all.
In those 8 games he has 9 throwing TD's, 2 running TD's and 8 Interceptions. He is average at best. For Gods sake a 13.1 rating against KC, my grandma could do better than that.

Compare it to Mannings:
94.1, 124.5, 122.3, 141.4, 108.8, 115.7, 144.8, 122.5
He has thrown for 200 yds in all those games, twice over 400
In those 8 games he has 30 throwing TD's and 6 interceptions
His game against KC was a paltry 472 yarder with 5 TD's and 1 pick

So far this season, only 25 QB's have higher ratings than Vick

Try watching an actual football game instead of just comparing numbers 😛 Regardless of this mediocore passer rating, Vick keeps his team in games and helps them win. Passer rating also fails to take in account that Vick has over 800 yard more in rushing totals than Manning does as well.

Also, this year for Manning is practically and out of body experience for him, do not expect him to put up numbers even close to this again in his career.

 

[UsandThem]

Originally posted by: brian_riendeau

It's called defense

Let's look at his latest QB ratings:
51.8, 86.5, 29.1, 87.1, 109.4, 76.8, 136.1 & 13.9
Only twice in 8 games did he throw for more than 200 yards, 3 of the 8 he did not get a TD at all.
In those 8 games he has 9 throwing TD's, 2 running TD's and 8 Interceptions. He is average at best. For Gods sake a 13.1 rating against KC, my grandma could do better than that.

Compare it to Mannings:
94.1, 124.5, 122.3, 141.4, 108.8, 115.7, 144.8, 122.5
He has thrown for 200 yds in all those games, twice over 400
In those 8 games he has 30 throwing TD's and 6 interceptions
His game against KC was a paltry 472 yarder with 5 TD's and 1 pick

So far this season, only 25 QB's have higher ratings than Vick

Try watching an actual football game instead of just comparing numbers 😛 Regardless of this mediocore passer rating, Vick keeps his team in games and helps them win. Passer rating also fails to take in account that Vick has over 800 yard more in rushing totals than Manning does as well.

Also, this year for Manning is practically and out of body experience for him, do not expect him to put up numbers even close to this again in his career.

So did Trent Dilfer, and Baltimore wouldn't even resign him after he won the superbowl.

 

[PoPPeR]

Vick wins. And he sells. Nothing left to say. This isn't fantasy football

 

[dragonballgtz]

As for Vick vs Manning...uhm, how can you even compare? Manning is the far superior QB. Yes, Vick is a great guy to have behind center, and yes, he can do things Manning can't...but if you were starting a franchise and had to choose one or the other, who in their right mind would choose Vick?

I would choose Vick. His style of play is what fans want to watch. He can bring them out of their seats by a running the ball. Which means more money for me.

Who is better? That is a hard question. Of course we seen without Vick the Falcons can't do crap. I would like to see how good Vick does with better players.

Manning has an unbelievable line that gives him time to throw the football. I remember watching the Thanksgiving Day game and seeing how long Manning had to throw the ball.

But like I said I would take Vick. With better players he could be a better QB. IMO

 

[BD231]

To be honest watching Vick is getting old. He screws up or dose nothing just as much as he makes those flashy plays. I'll admit he really dose have the ability to pull of some AMAZING plays while running which are always a blast to see, but QB's scrambling just seems cheap and untrue to the game of football IMO.

Overall Vick is not everything all his ass kissers say he is, I think the ooooo's and awwww's are masking his passing mediocrity and you really can't put something like that on the back burner. Getting it done only gets you so far. It's like droping a Michal Johnson into the QB position, the guy is a frikin bullet.

It's probably way to damn early in Vicks career to be talking any form of trash though. Vick still needs time to learn how to be a good passer in the NFL (its taken McNabb a while, why should things be any different for vick?, even Favre sucked balls when he was first starting). From what I've seen of him though he's not getting all that much in game practice throwing the ball though so one has to wonder when he'll buckle down and bring a little more ballance to his game.

Manning is a better passer and perhaps an even a harder worker. He has proven his work ethic is second to none and he's a buisness man who has made his job his life. What more could you want from a QB?

I just can't help but feel Vick is "winging" it every time he's on the field.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: dragonballgtz

As for Vick vs Manning...uhm, how can you even compare? Manning is the far superior QB. Yes, Vick is a great guy to have behind center, and yes, he can do things Manning can't...but if you were starting a franchise and had to choose one or the other, who in their right mind would choose Vick?

I would choose Vick. His style of play is what fans want to watch. He can bring them out of their seats by a running the ball. Which means more money for me.

Who is better? That is a hard question. Of course we seen without Vick the Falcons can't do crap. I would like to see how good Vick does with better players.

Manning has an unbelievable line that gives him time to throw the football. I remember watching the Thanksgiving Day game and seeing how long Manning had to throw the ball.

But like I said I would take Vick. With better players he could be a better QB. IMO

That's why you aren't an owner in the NFL. You know what REALLY sells? WINNING. Manning has a good line, but so do the Eagles, and McNabb has still been sacked alot this year. Do you know why Manning has only been sacked like, twice all year? He reads the blitz, and gets the ball out before it gets to him. He's smarter, thinks faster, reads faster, throws more accurately, etc.

 

[BlackAdam]

I'm sorry but Peyton Manning is a much better QB than Michael Vick will ever be! Did anybody even watch the Carolina game? He had a 51.8 passer rating and was just crap. And don't nobody give me an injury as an excuse. Vick is a runner, and he was forced to throw, and the Falcons showed how 'good' he really is. I am so sick of everybody seeing Michael Vick as god, when all he really is, is a running back, throwing the ball around. Hell, Clinton Portis could probably do a better job as QB than Vick!

What would give me even more hatred for Michael Vick is if he sits in Week 17 against Seattle and they lose to the Seahacks.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: brian_riendeau

It's called defense

Let's look at his latest QB ratings:
51.8, 86.5, 29.1, 87.1, 109.4, 76.8, 136.1 & 13.9
Only twice in 8 games did he throw for more than 200 yards, 3 of the 8 he did not get a TD at all.
In those 8 games he has 9 throwing TD's, 2 running TD's and 8 Interceptions. He is average at best. For Gods sake a 13.1 rating against KC, my grandma could do better than that.

Compare it to Mannings:
94.1, 124.5, 122.3, 141.4, 108.8, 115.7, 144.8, 122.5
He has thrown for 200 yds in all those games, twice over 400
In those 8 games he has 30 throwing TD's and 6 interceptions
His game against KC was a paltry 472 yarder with 5 TD's and 1 pick

So far this season, only 25 QB's have higher ratings than Vick

Try watching an actual football game instead of just comparing numbers 😛 Regardless of this mediocore passer rating, Vick keeps his team in games and helps them win. Passer rating also fails to take in account that Vick has over 800 yard more in rushing totals than Manning does as well.

Also, this year for Manning is practically and out of body experience for him, do not expect him to put up numbers even close to this again in his career.

Manning does not need to rally them because he plays for more than the last 5 minutes of the game.

 

[CtK]

is Vick really worth whatever he is gonna get paid if he misses games every year??
this is his 4th year and he hasnt played all 16 games yet!!

 

[huesmann]

Originally posted by: brian_riendeau
Try watching an actual football game instead of just comparing numbers 😛 Regardless of this mediocore passer rating, Vick keeps his team in games and helps them win.

When he's not on IR...

 

[spanky]

whatever. if the owner wants to pay vick that $$$... that's his business. in the end, owners just care about profit. a team can suck it up, but still make money.

 

[Shortcut]

Originally posted by: spanky
whatever. if the owner wants to pay vick that $$$... that's his business. in the end, owners just care about profit. a team can suck it up, but still make money.

see: SF 49ers

 

[CtK]

Originally posted by: Shortcut

Originally posted by: spanky
whatever. if the owner wants to pay vick that $$$... that's his business. in the end, owners just care about profit. a team can suck it up, but still make money.

see: SF 49ers

i doubt the Niners are making money