Vick Officially Named Starting QB

[sjwaste]

Not all his fault, the O-line, decimated by crucial injuries, really, really sucks.

Vick's as brutal as that OL. We all know by now I'm not a huge Vick fan, but the criticism that he "cant read D" and "holds the ball too long" aren't entirely true. I have no idea if he can read a D, but either he's not calling it or the OL isn't picking up, but someone comes free every time. As far as holding the ball too long, I saw on another site, someone timed it and he's getting rid of it as fast as anyone else. The problems arise when Reid calls ridiculous 7 step drops. That line needs to run the ball more, 3 step drops or shotgun. No 5 and 7 step drops unless the D is fearing the run.

Oh, and LeSean McCoy is one of the best backs in the NFL, and Andy isn't giving him the ball.

I'll even take another year of Mike Vick, but I think I want a new coach.

 

[Perknose]

All Andy Reid needs to do to keep his job now is go 8-2 the rest of the way

Tough when there's only 8 regular season games left.

 

[SunnyD]

Sad thing is with the NFC East sucking AGAIN, the Eagles are STILL in the playoff hunt.

 

[purbeast0]

Sad thing is with the NFC East sucking AGAIN, the Eagles are STILL in the playoff hunt.

LOL yea ... and so are the redskins... and the cowboys...

giants have the division on lock. they are the only good team in the division.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

LOL yea ... and so are the redskins... and the cowboys...

giants have the division on lock. they are the only good team in the division.

Skins will finish last in the division, mark my words.

 

[Blackjack200]

Tough when there's only 8 regular season games left.

Doh! Meant 6-2. IIRC Andy has to go at least 9-7 to keep his job.

I do feel a little bit bad for Vick, but at this point it's time for Foles, I don't care what Reid said last week. If you can't put up more than 13 points on the Saints, it's time to move on.

 

[AMDZen]

All they had to do was keep feeding Shady the ball. Was averaging 6.2 ypc on the 19 he had. He runs them to the 4 yard line and they throw the ball 3 times and settle for a field goal. WTF kind of play calling is that?

They fire the defensive coordinator instead of the offensive guy? If Reid is calling those plays ... well, he has his destiny in his own hands I guess. But now that defense has gotten a lot worse. Since the bye week I have seen a very obvious decline in play since the d-coord was fired

 

[evident]

vick and reid need to go.

 

[SunnyD]

All they had to do was keep feeding Shady the ball. Was averaging 6.2 ypc on the 19 he had. He runs them to the 4 yard line and they throw the ball 3 times and settle for a field goal. WTF kind of play calling is that?

They fire the defensive coordinator instead of the offensive guy? If Reid is calling those plays ... well, he has his destiny in his own hands I guess. But now that defense has gotten a lot worse. Since the bye week I have seen a very obvious decline in play since the d-coord was fired

That's not entirely true. The Saints thoroughly stuffed the run on a LOT of the goal line plays - both McCoy and Brown (I think that's who the other RB is) were dumped multiple times behind the line in the red zone. The rest of the passes were either: 1 int, I think 2 or 3 sacks, a couple of throwaways, and a couple of hurries (one was a drop, one was in the dirt). I'm pretty sure Philly only had like one or two total positive yardage plays all night on down & goal.

Can't really blame the offensive play calling, Saints D played big last night in the red zone. And lets face it - Philly's O-Line is just plain horrible.

 

[AMDZen]

That's not entirely true. The Saints thoroughly stuffed the run on a LOT of the goal line plays - both McCoy and Brown (I think that's who the other RB is) were dumped multiple times behind the line in the red zone. The rest of the passes were either: 1 int, I think 2 or 3 sacks, a couple of throwaways, and a couple of hurries (one was a drop, one was in the dirt).

Can't really blame the offensive play calling, Saints D played big last night in the red zone. And lets face it - Philly's O-Line is just plain horrible.

I certainly didn't see the whole game, but the one drive I did see which ended in their first 3 pts went as I described

 

[AMDZen]

Oh, and LeSean McCoy is one of the best backs in the NFL, and Andy isn't giving him the ball.

Gruden has compared him to Barry Sanders on more than one occasion and gotten flack. I don't think he is off base at all. He is the only guy I've seen be able to stop/start like Sanders did. If he was on a good offensive team like my Broncos, man .... we would be unstoppable

 

[yinan]

vick and reid need to go.

He needs to go back to prision.

 

[SunnyD]

I certainly didn't see the whole game, but the one drive I did see which ended in their first 3 pts went as I described

Yeah, I watched the whole game. There were a couple trips to the red zone where they called runs on 1st & 2nd and goal, and the Saints just totally blew up the run completely. Didn't matter if they tried inside or tried to stretch it wide, the Saints red zone run defense was ridiculously and uncharacteristically solid last night.

 

[AMDZen]

Yeah, I watched the whole game. There were a couple trips to the red zone where they called runs on 1st & 2nd and goal, and the Saints just totally blew up the run completely. Didn't matter if they tried inside or tried to stretch it wide, the Saints red zone run defense was ridiculously and uncharacteristically solid last night.

Indeed. Of what I saw of the game their entire defense fits that description. Very good. 7 sacks. LOL @ Vick

 

[SSSnail]

Put Vick behind a competent O-line, and we'll see how good he can be. The defenders are having free runs at him now, on every play. Play calling is atrocious. Reid needs to go.

 

[purbeast0]

Skins will finish last in the division, mark my words.

doesn't really matter who finishes last when we're having a discussion of who is the worst between 3 bad teams.

 

[SunnyD]

Indeed. Of what I saw of the game their entire defense fits that description. Very good. 7 sacks. LOL @ Vick

The big runs by McCoy were typical miscues on gap coverage that got exploited and McCoy being Shady and making people miss tackles in space.

Biggest issue I saw with the Eagles in the red zone other than not being able to run it (which I think was because the Saints could load the box and cover all of the gaps AND set the edges) was that Vick simply wasn't getting enough time to get a clean lane, and the couple times he did have a lane the ball was thrown just far enough off target that it was a drop/tip.

Main thing I saw was the right side of the line, especially after Bell came in, was simply manhandled. There was a couple plays that right off the snap both the right tackle and guard both ended up on their asses and Jordan and Co. came clean right through.

With such a ragtag O-Line, Reid should take a look at the Saints' offensive film for pointers. I was thoroughly impressed for most of the game how the Saints' offensive line system works. They'd line up with one or two TE's, and BOTH TE's would release, but they would both press-chip FORWARD and IN on the DE's to push the rush to the inside of the tackles before they'd release. Even when Philly brought pressure, the pressure usually got picked up and pushed inside. Other than a few plays where Philly got lucky and had a free rusher on the edge, their edge rushers would get chipped hard right into the middle of the offensive line and Brees had all day long to set and forget.

Philly on the other hand, they'd line up Celek and he'd release clean. No chip, no help, no nothing.

 

[RPD]

Vick might not be elite, but no QB is going to do good with that OL.

 

[AMDZen]

Vick might not be elite, but no QB is going to do good with that OL.

Agreed however both Cutler and Rodgers have taken more sacks on the year. Vick is 3rd even after last night's 7 sacks. He could do a better job getting rid of the ball and the offensive play calling needs to be conducive to that, plays that get the ball out of his hand quicker.

The problem is they haven't adapted to the needs of their weaknesses. They still think they're the high flying Eagles and call plays with routes all the way down the field which are pointless. I guess the more I think about it Reid really does need to go. You have to be able to adjust to what you have on your team. Look at what McCoy did with Tim Tebow last year. He changed our entire offense to suit the strengths of Tebow and made a read option type offense. That earned him a Head coaching position in Oakland, mostly deserving as well

 

[IndyColtsFan]

doesn't really matter who finishes last when we're having a discussion of who is the worst between 3 bad teams.

The Redskins are the worst, no question about it. The Eagles and Cowboys both have talent but have poor coaching. I am kind of shocked at how bad the Eagles o-line is considering that Howard Mudd is their o-line coach.

 

[AMDZen]

The Redskins are the worst, no question about it. The Eagles and Cowboys both have talent but have poor coaching. I am kind of shocked at how bad the Eagles o-line is considering that Howard Mudd is their o-line coach.

The Redskins have terrible coaching too. There was a reason Mike Shanahan lost his job here, he couldn't change. He hasn't adapted to the NFL as it is today, and also promotes nepotism where others are more deserving of the job.

Plus there is what he said this weekend about how he has basically given up on the season. The guy is not the coach he was and is not at all the best fit there. In fact, he has a worse record since taking over that team then either of the two last head coaches, Zorn and that other dude who's name escapes me.

 

[SunnyD]

The Redskins are the worst, no question about it. The Eagles and Cowboys both have talent but have poor coaching. I am kind of shocked at how bad the Eagles o-line is considering that Howard Mudd is their o-line coach.

4 out of 5 starters injured and you're shocked? Not many teams have enough O-Line depth to handle more than 3 injuries to the O-Line without serious problems. Hell, not many teams even carry more than 8 offensive linemen total on the roster.

 

[RPD]

Agreed however both Cutler and Rodgers have taken more sacks on the year. Vick is 3rd even after last night's 7 sacks. He could do a better job getting rid of the ball and the offensive play calling needs to be conducive to that, plays that get the ball out of his hand quicker.

The problem is they haven't adapted to the needs of their weaknesses. They still think they're the high flying Eagles and call plays with routes all the way down the field which are pointless. I guess the more I think about it Reid really does need to go. You have to be able to adjust to what you have on your team. Look at what McCoy did with Tim Tebow last year. He changed our entire offense to suit the strengths of Tebow and made a read option type offense. That earned him a Head coaching position in Oakland, mostly deserving as well

I'd like to know the stats of times hit as well. Just seems like he almost never has time to do much of anything.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The Redskins have terrible coaching too. There was a reason Mike Shanahan lost his job here, he couldn't change.

Yes, the Redskins have poor coaching too but they don't have the talent levels of the Eagles and Cowboys.

He hasn't adapted to the NFL as it is today, and also promotes nepotism where others are more deserving of the job.

Plus there is what he said this weekend about how he has basically given up on the season. The guy is not the coach he was and is not at all the best fit there. In fact, he has a worse record since taking over that team then either of the two last head coaches, Zorn and that other dude who's name escapes me.

I actually laugh more about Redskins fans thinking Shanahan is the answer than I do about their comments about RG3 not being a "running" QB. The Skins are screwed as long as Snyder owns the team. No good, established coach will work for him. Skins fans have to hope he gets lucky and picks an unknown who happens to be very good.

 

[Adrenaline]

I heard on the radio about two weeks ago that the Eagles have lost their starting LT, RT and C and are working with backups. So, that would most definitely hurt any QB.