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Vick indicted
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rbV5
Lifer
Dogfighting is like any other abusive perversion. It takes a special person to enjoy animal abuse, particularly to man's best friend 🙁
It's no surprise to me Vick appologists want to pull the race card and sweep it under the rug. Other deviant groups like NAMBLA have their supporters as well...same thing.
It's no surprise to me Vick appologists want to pull the race card and sweep it under the rug. Other deviant groups like NAMBLA have their supporters as well...same thing.
Linflas
Lifer
Just look at any thread involving animal cruelty on this board. There are those that feel any amount of cruelty and suffering to an animal is not worthy of any concern. In this case you have that division of viewpoints plus the inevitable race factor which always lurks in the background of any case involving a prominent person who also happens to be in an officially sanctioned minority group.
Turin39789
Lifer
The animals didn't get that violent on their own.
fallenangel99
Golden Member
I can't believe race is being brought into this issue, but what else is new.
Why is hunting allowed? Yes you are not slamming the animal to the ground or electrocuting it, but you are just as well by taking a shotgun and shooting it. Yeah, his methods and gambling operation across state lines (why feds are involved) is bad, but hunting other animals (would ppl be ok with hunting dogs) are popular out in the mid west.. or wherever those hicks live!
I think the feds are really involved because of the gambling and intra-state operations. Of course, people/media follow the "bred to kill" story (wrong in my opinion - Vick got what he deserves)
Why is hunting allowed? Yes you are not slamming the animal to the ground or electrocuting it, but you are just as well by taking a shotgun and shooting it. Yeah, his methods and gambling operation across state lines (why feds are involved) is bad, but hunting other animals (would ppl be ok with hunting dogs) are popular out in the mid west.. or wherever those hicks live!
I think the feds are really involved because of the gambling and intra-state operations. Of course, people/media follow the "bred to kill" story (wrong in my opinion - Vick got what he deserves)
BeauJangles
Lifer
It's not illegal to take your dog across state lines. According to our constitution, however, the minute something (in this case a dog) is transported across state lines the federal government can take over jurisdiction.
Maybe you don't understand, but the government has hundreds of attorneys. Their job is to prosecute crimes that are brought to their attention by investigators. Now, investigators raided one of Vick's houses looking for drugs. They quickly discovered evidence of dog-fighting and turned brought this to the attention of the federal prosecutor. This happens every day. Thousands of cases proceed through federal court. Some are big-time cases, others are basically nothing. The point is, the fed prosecutors are just doing their job.
I can't believe you'd be callous enough to say you don't care about animals. Look, I don't want to give them the right to sue or testify in court, but let's be honest here. Vick wasn't putting dogs down like your kennel does, he was brutally torturing and murdering them. That's like saying someone shouldn?t be prosecuted in Texas for torturing, raping, and killing someone because the state government also executes people.
edit: This case is only a big deal because it involves someone who is a big deal. People who say "let's concentrate on real crimes" are fools. Of course the government is prosecuting 'real' crimes, but they would also be prosecuting this case if Michael Vick was a pro athlete or a joe nobody at McDonald's. What our society needs to realize is that 'small' things like this or DUIs or whatever are made big deals when they involve famous people. If a senator gets arrested for a DUI, that's a much bigger deal than the 1,000 other people who got arrested for the same crime on the same day.
First OJ, then Michael Jackson, now Vick.. I tell you, that damn racist legal system... Slashing your wife's head off and killing her lover, inviting young boys into your bed or running an illegal gambling/racketeering operating that involves abuse of animals is beside the point in all of these cases - it's obviously all "the man" out to get them for being black.
Try living in the city where he grew up. I am amazed at some of the comments I hear on a daily basis.
Local boards
Local boards
It's only the Feds in this case because the dogs were transported accross state lines. Otherwise it would have been a local issue. I would be disappointed if they dropped the ball because "they had more important things to do." Sure if they let a terrorist through becuase they were focused on this that wouldn't be good, but on the other hand I don't really want someone there deciding what cases to toss in the garbage because they fall below some minimum crime level.
Gooberlx2
Lifer
Jesus Christ dude, you can't run and finance an illegal gambling racket across state lines, which is probably the heaviest charge and certainly the most pertinent to his future prospects of pro football.
Also, sorry but the public at large has deemed animal fighting as cruel, and it's been passed into law as a crime. Further, the methods by which he killed the losing and unfit animals were cruel and unusual, another crime. Animal control uses strict and humane methods.
Basically what you have here is interstate organized crime, and I personally think the feds are dropping the ball if all he's looking at is 12 to 18 months.
Nobody is saying this is more important then fighting terrorism or catching murderers....but it is a crime, for which the feds have evidence and certainly should pursue like they did.
Turin39789
Lifer
It seems like in this case you have people who are willing to excuse him/ belittle the crime because they percieve that he is being targeted due to his race.
You also have people who are willing to excuse him/ belittle the crime because they worship at the sports alter and believe that sports > *.
You also have people who are willing to excuse him/ belittle the crime because they worship at the sports alter and believe that sports > *.
its complicated, accepting a plea bargain and an agreement to plead guilty does not necessarily coincide with you accepting guilt for your crime. If you were to go to court and plead guilty and throw yourself on the mercy of the court that is a different kind of guilty than accepting a plea bargain and submitting a guilty plea.
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