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Vice President Cheney to visit NJ today

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: tss4
Thanks conjur. That was helpful.
It was more helpful than that sack of sh*t has been.
You're embarrasing. You give the righties all the ammo they need to make us sound like hatemongers.
Embarrassing is anyone actually thinking that piece of sh*t has done anything of benefit for this nation. And what's with the "righties" stuff? There are still plenty of things on the right with which I agree. I'm not a "rightie" and I'm not a "leftie".
😕

Granted I don't have 50,000 posts but so far everything I've ever seen from you leads me to believe that if you leaned any further to the left you'd tip over. Do you really think you're some kind of moderate? Good lord, man... you're a lefty. Don't apologize for it or try to excuse yourself. Be what you are.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: tss4
Thanks conjur. That was helpful.
It was more helpful than that sack of sh*t has been.
You're embarrasing. You give the righties all the ammo they need to make us sound like hatemongers.
Embarrassing is anyone actually thinking that piece of sh*t has done anything of benefit for this nation. And what's with the "righties" stuff? There are still plenty of things on the right with which I agree. I'm not a "rightie" and I'm not a "leftie".
😕

Granted I don't have 50,000 posts but so far everything I've ever seen from you leads me to believe that if you leaned any further to the left you'd tip over. Do you really think you're some kind of moderate? Good lord, man... you're a lefty. Don't apologize for it or try to excuse yourself. Be what you are.

I must be a lefty then because I'm extremely fiscally conservative which this administration is not and I'm socially liberal which this administration is not and I'm anti bullsh!t war which this administration is not and I'm against big social pork which this administration is not and I'm for keeping jobs in this country which this administration is not....

Shall I go further?
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I think everybody was in agreement about Afghanistan.
A positive that you are, I suppose. I believe Moveon and a couple other organizations weren't though.

See, there's that narrow-minded viewpoint again.

*sigh*

Being against this administration doesn't make one a "leftie"
Not at all. You can be against this administration on 1, 2, or even many issues. But I'd say someone who agrees with the right wing so infrequently is the definition of a leftie.


Oh, and I got to shake VP Cheney's hand. 🙂 Didn't have the $1000 for the dinner though.
 
Funny that you change your avatar to a $ right before/after meeting the Haliburton CEo....er...vice president.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Good for you...

Ah, but you see, these were many of the qualities defined by the GOP....when I was a registered and voting Republican. I guess I'm closer to a Libeterian than I am anything though.

Regardless, Bush and Cheney are @sswipes.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Funny that you change your avatar to a $ right before/after meeting the Haliburton CEo....er...vice president.

I changed it because people were mistakenly referring to me as female. Just a random choice.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Engineer
Funny that you change your avatar to a $ right before/after meeting the Haliburton CEo....er...vice president.

I changed it because people were mistakenly referring to me as female. Just a random choice.

Freud would be proud.
 
Well, I'm going to go against the obvious public sentiment here. Even though I don't agree with your politics and I think pretty poorly of some of Cheney's actions, I'm glad you got to see Cheney. Hope you continue to stay as interested in politics.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Good for you...

Ah, but you see, these were many of the qualities defined by the GOP....when I was a registered and voting Republican. I guess I'm closer to a Libeterian than I am anything though.

Regardless, Bush and Cheney are @sswipes.

Left/Right have very little to do with party politics. Sometimes it comes out that way but in the end it tends to be more of a coincidence or convenience.

 
Check this out from this morning's Star-Ledger.

Cheney touts Forrester at Plainsboro benefit

Saturday, July 23, 2005
BY DEBORAH HOWLETT
Star-Ledger Staff

Vice President Dick Cheney came to New Jersey yesterday to praise Republican Doug Forrester as "an outstanding candidate for governor" and throw the Bush administration's weight behind his campaign.

"We need good partners at the state level," Cheney said. "He's the kind of man who tells it like it is, and when it's time for action, you can depend on him."

Cheney used a considerable portion of his 15 minute tribute to highlight the Bush administration's efforts on homeland security, the war on terrorism and increasing economic prosperity. He lauded Bush's nomination of John Roberts to the U.S. Supreme Court and recalled the recent elections in Afghanistan and Iraq.

"When future generations look back on our times, they will know that we met our moment with courage and know that America became a better nation -- stronger, more prosperous and more secure -- because George W. Bush was president," Cheney said.

In the days leading up to Cheney's appearance, the Democratic candidate for governor, U.S. Sen. Jon Corzine, has adopted a strategy of blasting Forrester's association with members of the Bush administration, saying White House policies have been bad for New Jersey. But Forrester showed no reluctance to embrace the vice president.

"No one has been more dedicated, standing up for America, keeping America safe, than Vice President Dick Cheney," Forrester said.

Cheney received a warm reception from the crowd of about 300 who paid $1,000 each to nosh on rare roast beef and sip cocktails in a small ballroom at the Westin hotel in Plainsboro, not far from Forrester's West Windsor home.

State GOP chairman Tom Wilson said he thought the turnout was good, especially on a sweltering Friday night in mid-July when many New Jerseyans were headed to the Shore.

After the event, expected to bring in $300,000, Forrester was beaming as he shook hands with Republican supporters. "It's pretty nice to stand up there and have the vice president make nice comments about us," he said.

Forrester introduced Cheney by suggesting they were in a bit of a dispute: "He wants Corzine out of Washington," Forrester said, "and I want to keep him there." Cheney played along with the joke, agreeing to a compromise: "He can stay one more year."

Forrester also dismissed the Democratic attack on Cheney's visit -- as well as earlier visits by Bush's top political adviser Karl Rove and Republican National Chairman Ken Mehlman -- as a smokescreen to avoid substantive debate.

"I kind of laugh at it," Forrester said. "Jon Corzine and his surrogates, there's a wagonload of them now, are dragging red herrings up and down the state because they have no issues to stand on."

The Democrats' efforts to tie Forrester to Bush administration policies come as the president's popularity in the state has declined. In a Fairleigh Dickinson University poll this week, just 38 percent rated Bush's performance as good or excellent.

Yesterday, Sen. Frank Lautenberg called a news conference to echo his senate colleague Corzine's criticism that Forrester is "too extreme" for New Jersey. Lautenberg also said it was appropriate to judge Forrester by the company he keeps.

"These are radical conservatives. They shouldn't be welcome here," Lautenberg said. "It makes you wonder what kind of people would be working in a Forrester administration."

A variety of protesters gathered outside Forrester's fund-raiser to protest administration policies in Iraq, on Social Security and other issues. About 150 union supporters, anti-war activists and others were roped off at the far end of the Forrestal Village mall, out of earshot of the event, chanting "1-2-3-4, kick Cheney out the door; 5-6-7-8 we don't want you in our state."

Did you read all of that carefully? Now read this.

Corzine touts plan to help college students

Saturday, July 23, 2005

By JOSH GOHLKE
TRENTON BUREAU

U.S. Sen. Jon Corzine, the Democratic candidate for governor, announced a $15-million-a-year plan Friday to provide grants and credits to New Jersey college students.

The plan aims to assist needy students and encourage more residents to attend school and work in the state.

"Ultimately, more than 40 percent of all our students leave for college - double the national average," Corzine said in a statement following his latest policy speech, delivered at Monmouth University in West Long Branch. "Unless we reverse this brain drain, New Jersey will not be able to attract the important industries that will propel our economy in the future."

Corzine promised a 17 percent increase in the state's existing Tuition Aid Grants, which fund low- and moderate-income New Jersey students attending college in the state. Ten thousand more such grants would cost about $9 million a year, his campaign estimated.

Tuition Aid Grants currently provide up to $9,000 in annual assistance to about a third of the state's full-time college students, according to the state Higher Education Student Assistance Authority.

Corzine also would institute loan forgiveness and tax credit programs to encourage students attending college in and out of the state to join certain sectors of the New Jersey workforce, he said. These high-demand fields would include nursing, high school teaching, child care and emergency services.

Those programs would give students up to $5,000 in tax credits or loan forgiveness over five years. Loan forgiveness for 1,000 students would cost $1 million a year, the campaign said.

To stem the so-called brain drain, Corzine said he would push legislation creating 1,000 scholarships worth $5,000 in assistance to top high school graduates who attend the state's public universities. He said that would use $5 million a year in taxpayer money "while leveraging another $5 million per year from alumni and other donors."

Corzine made his speech as his Republican opponent, West Windsor businessman Doug Forrester, was preparing for a major fund-raiser to be headlined by Vice President Dick Cheney outside Princeton.

Forrester agrees that tuition is too high in New Jersey and that too many students leave the state, said campaign director Sherry Sylvester. He believes changes in state funding of higher education institutions might be needed, she said.

The Corzine campaign has staged a series of policy speeches since the beginning of the year, focusing on a wide range of issues such as health care, government ethics and finances. Forrester has focused almost exclusively on property taxes and corruption.

Cheney and Forrester sound like the Bushies at P&N. They talk about Corzine while Corzine talks about issues.

What a surprise.
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: conjur
I'd spit in his face if he came here. Fvcking bastard.

i got $10 on cheney kicking your ass

If you're really going to throw away ten dollars you might as well just give it to me instead.
 
BBond, the homepage of Corzine's campaign gives info about a protest rally. I guess that's an "issue" to be discussed. :roll:

It would be nice if he resigned his senate seat, I wonder if it would be possible to elect someone new there.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
BBond, the homepage of Corzine's campaign gives info about a protest rally. I guess that's an "issue" to be discussed. :roll:

It would be nice if he resigned his senate seat, I wonder if it would be possible to elect someone new there.

What in the world are you talking about?
 
I don't like him either but I wouldn't verbally insult him or spit in his face. I respect the Office he holds even if I don't respect the man himself.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: tss4
Thanks conjur. That was helpful.
It was more helpful than that sack of sh*t has been.

You're embarrasing. You give the righties all the ammo they need to make us sound like hatemongers.


Sorry, but calling a turd a turd is the truth. You don't think people on the right don't do the same to the Clinton's? Ted Kennedy? Robert Byrd? Free speech guarantee's the right to call that @sshat what he is.

Sure, it's OK with these a-holes to attack Clinton anyway they see fit, but, goodness, don't tell the truth about their "heros"
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't like him either but I wouldn't verbally insult him or spit in his face. I respect the Office he holds even if I don't respect the man himself.

Good point RD. But some would find the urge to publicly display their discontent with this chickenhawk war profiteer through such civil disobedience irresistable, I'm sure, especially in light of all the respect for the office these people exhibited while President Clinton held it after clearly winning the presidency in 1992 and 1996.
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't like him either but I wouldn't verbally insult him or spit in his face. I respect the Office he holds even if I don't respect the man himself.

Good point RD. But some would find the urge to publicly display their discontent with this chickenhawk war profiteer through such civil disobedience irresistable, I'm sure, especially in light of all the respect for the office these people exhibited while President Clinton held it after clearly winning the presidency in 1992 and 1996.
So you would lower yourself to their level? Wouldn't that make you as much as an asshole as they were?

 
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