Vibram settlement is everything wrong with the American legal system

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destrekor

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There's a few, definitely. The ones that research, train, and eat properly. Who, incidentally, also perform well in a range of shoes. The average minimalist runner is an individual who read a few excerpts from the extremely biased and poorly researched book 'Born to Run'. And I say this as an avid ultrarunner.

Do you shit your pants on runs? D: :biggrin:

My god man. I can't get into running at that extreme. I don't think I could ever convince myself to even do a half marathon. lol

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Also, more importantly: does it matter how dumb or intelligent the consumers are? That's not what is being decided in court. You can tell people they will can lose weight using a diet pill if they follow proper diet guidelines. If they decide they can stuff their faces even more, they cannot claim the product made bogus scientific claims when they gain weight.
 
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Bateluer

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Do you shit your pants on runs? D: :biggrin:

My god man. I can't get into running at that extreme. I don't think I could ever convince myself to even do a half marathon. lol

I've done up to 100Ks. :)
They're usually trails or wilderness courses though, so if you do have to take a dump, just go a few meters off the trail and pop a squat. I've never personally had to do it, one usually figures out the diet to prevent it on their long training runs.
 

BUTCH1

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That would only happen if they did something stupid. Should I sue Craftsman because I hit my thumb using their hammer?

You would be shocked at the amount of frivolous lawsuits, ladder manufacturers face and have to charge extra per ladder because of idiot customers who cannot figure out how to use one without falling, Cessna actually got sued by a family who's father with twice the legal limit of alcohol caused him to crash into a mountainside and die. They did get a small break when a ruling came down that they cannot be sued for plane defects if the plane is 25 years old (or older), anything that old and still flying has to be meticulously maintained and hangered, people were filing lawsuits over "metal fatigue" on ancient planes, for god's sake it's made from aluminum, not gold, every metal (except gold) suffers from corrosion after decades of use.
 

MarkXIX

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Looks like the overwhelming consensus of VFF owners is to file a claim against the pair(s) that they've owned and then use the claim money to buy new pairs to "give back" the money to the company.

I'd like to see a picture of this woman that filed the suit. You know what they say, a picture...
 

rsutoratosu

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I own a pair and they are the hardest thing to run in.. I kinda stop running till my health gets better but will go back out..
 

nickbits

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I've owned 3 pairs. My knees hurt less when using them but they wore out too quickly so I stopped buying them.
 

smackababy

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Good, those are the stupidest freaking thing I ever saw.

They are great for spotting who is a huge twat though. Anyone wearing them in any capacity that doesn't directly involve running: gigantic twat. Anyone wearing them in a capacity directly involving running: only marginal twat.
 

destrekor

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They are great for spotting who is a huge twat though. Anyone wearing them in any capacity that doesn't directly involve running: gigantic twat. Anyone wearing them in a capacity directly involving running: only marginal twat.

Do you have that attitude toward all barefoot-inspired/minimal shoes, or only the foot-glove-style with the toes?

I can't stand the way they look - but I don't disrespect those running with them, unless other indicators are present to strongly suggest some level of douchery.

I knew many who were strongly upset when the military, or at least the Army, banned them for running while in uniform. I believe the other minimal shoes made the cut, but they weren't having any of the toe-style.


There's a certain attitude with trends like this. Some have the weirdest approach to them, and really go far to make themselves a giant douche about it, usually almost having the cult-like attitude the worst CrossFit offenders have: Rule Number 1: Never stop talking about toe-shoes and their awesomeness and how they directly contribute to your awesomeness. :p

Others, however, are humble and normal. They may even have other trends they pick up, all about trying to get back to nature.
And really, what's wrong about getting back to nature? We do so many things wrong these days, we drag our body down from optimal potential with bad diets, incorrect form or approach to an activity, more psychotropic drugs than we need, etc etc etc.

There's taking things to an extreme and being a douche, but there's also the potential to simply adopt new trends when science actually suggests there may be a major benefit, simply for the sake of your well-being and mental health.

I know I'm personally trying to take small steps to try to undo what the past few generations have encouraged or seemingly made the norm. That's what has been great with the rapid advancement in science and health and our understanding of basic concepts - we're seeing the evidence that it actually behooves us to take a step back.

Others see these things as simple trends or fads, and still others see those who are taking multiple steps to buck past trends as hipster or douchey. I think it's really only about the individual attitudes and how they present their approaches to "going back to basics". But many don't even look past the obvious things, like "oh they ride a bike..." or "oh they wear toe shoes... what a douche" simply because they've presented a case of apparent "non-conformity" - because conforming to society when conformity means more unnecessary harm to ourselves and/or to our environment is exactly what everyone should be doing. It's the cool thing to do these days!

Way off topic, but I had to. :p
 

Zenmervolt

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It's the natural barefoot gait (when you are unfamiliar with padded shoes, at least... unless you are purposefully mindful), and the science is clear.

If you mean that the science is clear that transitioning to the Vibram shoes causes injury, then yes, the science is clear.

If you mean that the science is clear that there are no health benefits to barefoot running, then yes, the science is clear.

However, if you mean that Vibram ever had anything even remotely resembling scientific data to back up its claims about the health benefits of its shoes, then you've wandered deeply into bullshit territory. The plural of "anecdote" is not "data." Just because some people claim that they felt better after using the shoes does not in any way mean that the shoes provided any true benefit.

ZV
 

desura

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Well, speaking of those shoes, they're really not that great for running, no. Well, I mean, you can run in them, but the toe stuff doesn't matter as much while running.

They're effectively the same as those old racer flats. Which are great btw for running, better than traditional running shoes.

Merrell I think makes a shoe that is basically flat and looks like a regular shoe for running. I used one and it feels the same as vibrams for running.

However, Vibrams are fucking great for things like kayaking and wading in water. They were originally designed as yacht shoes, and they would be awesome for that. You can feel the ground beneath your feet better with them.