Very disappointed with XBox 360 graphics

[mazeroth]

I have a 51" Hitachi 51F59 CRT television I purchased about a year ago that I calibrated with Digital Video Essentials. It is slightly out of convergence and I'm going to manually converge it in the next few days but it looks very good as is.

I bought a 360 Platinum yesterday due to the President's Day sale and picked up NCAA 07 college football. My TV is showing 720p or 1080i, whichever I have it set at, so I know it's getting the signal. I also tried the Tomb Raider, that car destruction game and that cartoonish fairy-tale type game that had demos loaded on my 360 and they all look decent at best. I'm used to killer graphics and great framerates that my computer supplies (see below) which it seems this 360 can't do. It's hard to believe because the 360 is supposedly faster than the computer I own. I gamed on my 21" Sony CPD-G500 2048x1536 res monitor for years and recently got a 22" LCD 1680x1050 which is VERY clear and sharp.

Do you guys think the lackluster graphics I'm seeing are due to my television or are 360 games, in general, lacking in graphics? I mean, NCAA 07 chugs along when I play in Columbus, OH in the Horseshoe, with the 100,000+ fans. Sure, when I do an instant replay and zoom up the guys look good, but when I'm playing I 100% couldn't tell if it were 480p or 1080i...it looks that bad. The Tomb Raider game looked good, but ran pretty slow (guessing 20 fps) and was very "soft" looking. Again, this could be due to a CRT HDTV while my eyes are used to a higher quality 21" CRT or 22" LCD.

With that, is there hope for me with this 360 or did I just waste a couple hundred dollars? I'm am thinking of getting a Mitsubishi HD1000U 720p DLP projector (<$900) and a 106" screen. Maybe then the games will look better. Also, I have a Wii and a regular Xbox hooked up and the 360 doesn't look a whole lot better, which is crazy.

Alright, I've typed enough. Let me know if I'm not alone or if I'm just crazy!

Thanks!

 

[Roy2001]

I believe it is your TV. CRT based RP TVs are not "true" HD. It is not even capable to handle 720p. For bandwidth point of view, it could only handle 480p or 1080i (you can imagine it is 540p) at best. You have to change output form 360 to 1080i otherwise TV will downgrade imput signal to 480p.

The best bet is to connect it to a GOOD monitor through VGA and try 1080p.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Roy2001
I believe it is your TV. CRT based RP TVs are not "true" HD. It is not even capable to handle 720p. For bandwidth point of view, it could only handle 480p or 1080i (you can imagine it is 540p) at best. You have to change output form 360 to 1080i otherwise TV will downgrade imput signal to 480p.

The best bet is to connect it to a GOOD monitor through VGA and try 1080p.

Don't listen to this poster, he has no idea what he's talking about. Your TV is 1080i capable, so set your 360 to output 1080i. Your not the first to comment on the 360's lackluster graphics on large screen televisions. It will never compare to even a moderate PC setup.

 

[Sniper82]

Best thing to do it run Gears Of War since its really the main reason to own Xbox 360. It has the best gfx todate. Also you are using component cables right? You could try getting the vga adapter for it and hooking it to your PC monitor to see how it looks.

 

[Matt2]

I run my xbox 360 on my 50" DLP via component and my Dell 2007wfp via vga and I must say I am impressed with the 360's graphics.

Maybe it's just my TV that I am impressed with, but I think Gears of War looks better than any PC game to date.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

I've got my 360 hooked up to a 23" Samsung LCD using the VGA cable and it looks beautiful. It's so sharp, it feels like I'm using a PC.

 

[s44]

Buy a PS3.

 

[dguy6789]

Definitely try out Gears of War. It looks better than any pc game out right now no matter how high you set your resolution or how high you crank up the aa/af.

 

[Jules]

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[40sTheme]

I'm disappointed with the 360's graphics. They have that eDRAM die on the GPU that is supposedly set aside for AA and AF and other image quality increasing effects, but I have yet to see a game that uses more than a lackluster 2xAA (even if that; i'm not sure if the edges are just oversampled a la Doom 3 or not).

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: Roy2001
I believe it is your TV. CRT based RP TVs are not "true" HD. It is not even capable to handle 720p. For bandwidth point of view, it could only handle 480p or 1080i (you can imagine it is 540p) at best. You have to change output form 360 to 1080i otherwise TV will downgrade imput signal to 480p.

The best bet is to connect it to a GOOD monitor through VGA and try 1080p.

Don't listen to this poster, he has no idea what he's talking about. Your TV is 1080i capable, so set your 360 to output 1080i. Your not the first to comment on the 360's lackluster graphics on large screen televisions. It will never compare to even a moderate PC setup.

Too bad you dont know what your talking about as far as xbox 360 goes. My Xbox 360 looks just as good as my C2D 7900GS Setup.

QFT

 

[hardwareking]

The 360 looks good when used with my 17 inch Samsung LCD monitor with VGA cables.
Also gfx are mainly game dependant.Not all games will blow u away.Try gears of war like the others said.

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Too bad you dont know what your talking about as far as xbox 360 goes. My Xbox 360 looks just as good as my C2D 7900GS Setup.

Play CoD2, Oblivion, Rainbow Six:Vegas, etc on a 1080p TV, then come over and play them at 1280x960 (a lower resolution) on my Pentium D 7950GT setup and compare them. There is a world of difference between the two; and the PC kicks the living crap out of the 360. Oh, and NFS:Carbon; another game that looks better on the PC. Played those three games on my friends 52" Samsung in 1080p. Great looking TV BTW; beautiful color.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Too bad you dont know what your talking about as far as xbox 360 goes. My Xbox 360 looks just as good as my C2D 7900GS Setup.

Play CoD2, Oblivion, Rainbow Six:Vegas, etc on a 1080p TV, then come over and play them at 1280x960 (a lower resolution) on my Pentium D 7950GT setup and compare them. There is a world of difference between the two; and the PC kicks the living crap out of the 360. Oh, and NFS:Carbon; another game that looks better on the PC. Played those three games on my friends 52" Samsung in 1080p. Great looking TV BTW; beautiful color.

I'll let you have your opinion, but it is generally conceded by both PC gamers and XBox 360 alike that the best looking game right now is Gears of War. Since only the 360 has it, I guess the 360 takes the cake.

I own both and this is what I think. I think the PC *now* has more power than the Xbox 360. However, I think the Xbox 360 will continue to put better looking games out because PC developers are still developing for the lower common denominator. Therefore, while a top end PC is faster, it essentially goes to waste (somewhat). Thought being able to enable 16XQAF probably has its advantages...

But in the end it doesn't matter... Own both!

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Too bad you dont know what your talking about as far as xbox 360 goes. My Xbox 360 looks just as good as my C2D 7900GS Setup.

Play CoD2, Oblivion, Rainbow Six:Vegas, etc on a 1080p TV, then come over and play them at 1280x960 (a lower resolution) on my Pentium D 7950GT setup and compare them. There is a world of difference between the two; and the PC kicks the living crap out of the 360. Oh, and NFS:Carbon; another game that looks better on the PC. Played those three games on my friends 52" Samsung in 1080p. Great looking TV BTW; beautiful color.

I'll let you have your opinion, but it is generally conceded by both PC gamers and XBox 360 alike that the best looking game right now is Gears of War. Since only the 360 has it, I guess the 360 takes the cake.

I own both and this is what I think. I think the PC *now* has more power than the Xbox 360. However, I think the Xbox 360 will continue to put better looking games out because PC developers are still developing for the lower common denominator. Therefore, while a top end PC is faster, it essentially goes to waste (somewhat). Thought being able to enable 16XQAF probably has its advantages...

But in the end it doesn't matter... Own both!

PC gamers concede that GoW has the best graphics? No. Respectfully, absolutely not. I'm pretty sure any PC gamer would say 'GoW should come out for the PC so I can actually turn on some good looking enhancements.' Also, PC developers develop for everyone. The PC is easy to develop for and is constantly on a basis of establishment as far as graphics go, but consoles are always a new and big change and the developing styles must be totally overhauled and are very limited by the exact architecture of the console. I must give consolation to the console graphics because; frankly, it's hard to make the games on them.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Too bad you dont know what your talking about as far as xbox 360 goes. My Xbox 360 looks just as good as my C2D 7900GS Setup.

Play CoD2, Oblivion, Rainbow Six:Vegas, etc on a 1080p TV, then come over and play them at 1280x960 (a lower resolution) on my Pentium D 7950GT setup and compare them. There is a world of difference between the two; and the PC kicks the living crap out of the 360. Oh, and NFS:Carbon; another game that looks better on the PC. Played those three games on my friends 52" Samsung in 1080p. Great looking TV BTW; beautiful color.

I'll let you have your opinion, but it is generally conceded by both PC gamers and XBox 360 alike that the best looking game right now is Gears of War. Since only the 360 has it, I guess the 360 takes the cake.

I own both and this is what I think. I think the PC *now* has more power than the Xbox 360. However, I think the Xbox 360 will continue to put better looking games out because PC developers are still developing for the lower common denominator. Therefore, while a top end PC is faster, it essentially goes to waste (somewhat). Thought being able to enable 16XQAF probably has its advantages...

But in the end it doesn't matter... Own both!

PC gamers concede that GoW has the best graphics? No. Respectfully, absolutely not. I'm pretty sure any PC gamer would say 'GoW should come out for the PC so I can actually turn on some good looking enhancements.' Also, PC developers develop for everyone. The PC is easy to develop for and is constantly on a basis of establishment as far as graphics go, but consoles are always a new and big change and the developing styles must be totally overhauled and are very limited by the exact architecture of the console. I must give consolation to the console graphics because; frankly, it's hard to make the games on them.

Wow, pretty much everything in this post is wrong.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Without turning this into a flame fest, I'd say for the majority of games the PC delivers a better graphical experience. The lack of AA on the 360 is particularly frustrating on larger television sets, unless you sit back far enough.

 

[Jules]

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[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Without turning this into a flame fest, I'd say for the majority of games the PC delivers a better graphical experience. The lack of AA on the 360 is particularly frustrating on larger television sets, unless you sit back far enough.

Nope sorry nothing touches Gears of War at the moment.

gear's of war's lack of AA bothers me

 

[Jules]

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[Laminator]

My friend plays Gears of War on a Dell 2405WFP. It looks amazing, low resolution be damned. Actually, it looks as good as the Unreal Tournament 3 screenshots.

I'd definitely say it has the best graphics of any game that's available right now. It doesn't look as good as Crysis, of course.

 

[cpl edge]

screw all that. the best game is geometry wars!

 

[RobertR1]

Since Oblivion when it came out, my PC doesn't get much love. I even stopped updating my drivers and so forth. My gaming is now done on the 360. The feeling of sitting back with a wireless controller on a big plasma with a nice surround system > my rig.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
Since Oblivion when it came out, my PC doesn't get much love. I even stopped updating my drivers and so forth. My gaming is now done on the 360. The feeling of sitting back with a wireless controller on a big plasma with a nice surround system > my rig.

:thumbsup: :beer:

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Without turning this into a flame fest, I'd say for the majority of games the PC delivers a better graphical experience. The lack of AA on the 360 is particularly frustrating on larger television sets, unless you sit back far enough.

Nope sorry nothing touches Gears of War at the moment.

You dumbshit I said "FOR THE MAJORITY OF GAMES". I personally haven't seen Gears of War so I can't comment. But I have seen Oblivion on a high-end PC and on the 360 and the PC wins hands down. Oblivion on the 360 was plagued by low framerates and a lack of AA. On the PC you can literally customize the game to look breath-taking.