Very disappointed with XBox 360 graphics

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40sTheme

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Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
Originally posted by: ZimZum
Originally posted by: 40sTheme
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: 40sTheme
Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Too bad you dont know what your talking about as far as xbox 360 goes. My Xbox 360 looks just as good as my C2D 7900GS Setup.

Play CoD2, Oblivion, Rainbow Six:Vegas, etc on a 1080p TV, then come over and play them at 1280x960 (a lower resolution) on my Pentium D 7950GT setup and compare them. There is a world of difference between the two; and the PC kicks the living crap out of the 360. Oh, and NFS:Carbon; another game that looks better on the PC. Played those three games on my friends 52" Samsung in 1080p. Great looking TV BTW; beautiful color.

I'll let you have your opinion, but it is generally conceded by both PC gamers and XBox 360 alike that the best looking game right now is Gears of War. Since only the 360 has it, I guess the 360 takes the cake.

I own both and this is what I think. I think the PC *now* has more power than the Xbox 360. However, I think the Xbox 360 will continue to put better looking games out because PC developers are still developing for the lower common denominator. Therefore, while a top end PC is faster, it essentially goes to waste (somewhat). Thought being able to enable 16XQAF probably has its advantages... :p

But in the end it doesn't matter... Own both! :D

PC gamers concede that GoW has the best graphics? No. Respectfully, absolutely not. I'm pretty sure any PC gamer would say 'GoW should come out for the PC so I can actually turn on some good looking enhancements.' Also, PC developers develop for everyone. The PC is easy to develop for and is constantly on a basis of establishment as far as graphics go, but consoles are always a new and big change and the developing styles must be totally overhauled and are very limited by the exact architecture of the console. I must give consolation to the console graphics because; frankly, it's hard to make the games on them.

Wow, pretty much everything in this post is wrong.

Yeah, especially the part about how the games are developed. Pretty much any gamer knows that console games get better graphics as they age, because the developers learn new tricks to make games look better on the same hardware. I am not a programmer, but I have been told, (and it seems pretty obvious to even my limited programming knowledge), that making software for hardware in which you have the exact specifications, is much easier, especially in the efficiency department.

Really? I've always heard that it is harder to make games for the consoles... must've been mistaken.
Anyways, I may have been wrong, but I still don't think GoW is the best looking game to date because of the lack of image quality. The textures, bump and normal mapping, lighting, etc are the best I've ever seen but:
1) No AA
2) No AF (don't even think it is full trilinear filtering)
3) Still doesn't look good in HD resolutions
That is what I am basing my 'looks good' evaluations on. Sorry for being mistaken on the development part... although I think most programmers say that about the PS3. Maybe not.
 

Hyperlite

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Honestly, running GoW @ 1080i on my 42HP95 was one of the most beautiful things i have ever seen. Then again, i've never owned a $600 vid card.
 

JRW

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I agree GOW is the best looking game to date , I played through it on my 34" XBR960 CRT @ 1080i and was blown away by the visuals.
 

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I have a 360 hooked up to a Samsung LNS3251D. Games look incredible: GoW, Madden 07, Lost Planet, CoD2. It does look better than Oblivion on my PC, but I only have a Quadro FX1500 video card. I will concede that games designed for demanding graphix will look far better on a computer with a good video adapter and monitor. I just don't see how a console could keep up with resolutions of 720p, limited capacity on a single DVD.

I enjoy both for different reason and will never give one up for another. The problem with the arguments are the components being used for both platforms. My 360 setup had an initial cost of $1500. To get to the top line on the PC, I need about $800 (graphix card + monitor). Getting the best out of either cost money.
 

40sTheme

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How do I not even know what I'm talking about? I simply stated my reasons that it's not necessarily the best looking game out.
 

videopho

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I now play 60% of my games on 360 and the rest is time-shared between PC & Wii.:)
One thing I've noticed Madden 07 looks way better on PC than 360 but I only wish it was in w/s mode.:(
I've just added a 360 wireless controller on my PC which now will vastly improve my games on PC.
I'm not too great at WASD keyboard, BTW, so the 360 w/l controller for PC would serve my purpose as the greatest thing since window 95, courtesy of M/$. :D
 

miniMUNCH

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I am going to be honest...

I think Far cry at 1680 on my 22" LCD looks better than Gears of War on any screen I have played it on (24" WS LCD via vga and on a 50+" 1080p HD LCD).

Gears of War is the best looking console game that I have seen...but epic used a very intelligently selected ambiance and some tricks to produce scenes that look great on a HDTV viewed from some 8+ feet. But when you really sit back and just look at the scenes, the textures aren't really that great, the character and scene detail isn't that fantastic, the draw distance isn't that fantastic either.

But that is just my opinion... I can see why people think the GoW is best looking game ever and I can't really argue against their point of view. GoW has some uber hot graphical effects. But I prefer the the outside island jungle scenes of far cry to most anything I have played or seen.
 

Jules

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Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I am going to be honest...

I think Far cry at 1680 on my 22" LCD looks better than Gears of War on any screen I have played it on (24" WS LCD via vga and on a 50+" 1080p HD LCD).

Gears of War is the best looking console game that I have seen...but epic used a very intelligently selected ambiance and some tricks to produce scenes that look great on a HDTV viewed from some 8+ feet. But when you really sit back and just look at the scenes, the textures aren't really that great, the character and scene detail isn't that fantastic, the draw distance isn't that fantastic either.

But that is just my opinion... I can see why people think the GoW is best looking game ever and I can't really argue against their point of view. GoW has some uber hot graphical effects. But I prefer the the outside island jungle scenes of far cry to most anything I have played or seen.

LoL Ok.


Originally posted by: videopho
I now play 60% of my games on 360 and the rest is time-shared between PC & Wii.:)
One thing I've noticed Madden 07 looks way better on PC than 360 but I only wish it was in w/s mode.:(
I've just added a 360 wireless controller on my PC which now will vastly improve my games on PC.
I'm not too great at WASD keyboard, BTW, so the 360 w/l controller for PC would serve my purpose as the greatest thing since window 95, courtesy of M/$. :D

Thats cool, how does that wireless receiver work? is it any good?
 

videopho

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"Thats cool, how does that wireless receiver work? is it any good? "

Best thing since bread machine, lol.
If you're 360 hands on then this w/l controller is a no brainer.
Go to Pinnavle Game Profiler and download its game profiles.
Most EA Sport games do not need this profiler. Since the game itself already recognizes it and you're good to go.
 

lopri

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Is it possible at all to capture screenshots of actual gaming screenshots on XBOX360? I know I saw the trailer and was stunned by the visuals but that was a pre-rendered movie. I'd love to see actual gameplay shots (preferably 1080p). Then the graphical comparison of PC vs consoles would be a whole lot easier.

But I'm guessing it's not possible, knowing we're still arguing over which side's got better graphics..
 

Jules

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Originally posted by: videopho
"Thats cool, how does that wireless receiver work? is it any good? "

Best thing since bread machine, lol.
If you're 360 hands on then this w/l controller is a no brainer.
Go to Pinnavle Game Profiler and download its game profiles.
Most EA Sport games do not need this profiler. Since the game itself already recognizes it and you're good to go.

I ment the actual receiver for the pc.
 

40sTheme

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Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I am going to be honest...

I think Far cry at 1680 on my 22" LCD looks better than Gears of War on any screen I have played it on (24" WS LCD via vga and on a 50+" 1080p HD LCD).

Gears of War is the best looking console game that I have seen...but epic used a very intelligently selected ambiance and some tricks to produce scenes that look great on a HDTV viewed from some 8+ feet. But when you really sit back and just look at the scenes, the textures aren't really that great, the character and scene detail isn't that fantastic, the draw distance isn't that fantastic either.

But that is just my opinion... I can see why people think the GoW is best looking game ever and I can't really argue against their point of view. GoW has some uber hot graphical effects. But I prefer the the outside island jungle scenes of far cry to most anything I have played or seen.

LoL Ok.
Are you seriously THAT determined that GoW is the best looking game ever at this moment that you are going to completely dismiss his argument like that?
Stop saying 'You're wrong' or dismissing people and start giving reasons that it looks better than any game out. I personally think the cheap depth of field in that game ruins the graphical quality with the shimmery, ugly backgrounds it creates.
I love Far Cry too, miniMUNCH. It is still such an awesome looking game... and fun as hell.
I'm not going to denounce GoW on fun factor, though. If you get some good teammates on XBL and play you can have some really intense, fun games.

EDIT: Sorry didn't realize miniMUNCH didn't really have a large 'argument' to speak of, but you're still dismissing the small, relevant points he has made MyStupidMouth.
 

videopho

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Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
Originally posted by: videopho
"Thats cool, how does that wireless receiver work? is it any good? "

Best thing since bread machine, lol.
If you're 360 hands on then this w/l controller is a no brainer.
Go to Pinnavle Game Profiler and download its game profiles.
Most EA Sport games do not need this profiler. Since the game itself already recognizes it and you're good to go.

I ment the actual receiver for the pc.

Works like a charm.
Truly plus & play.
 

Maximilian

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Its just the CRT part dude, thats all. Im playing my xbox 360 on a 17" crt flatscreen. It looks allright.... im at uni i aint dragging a 50" LCD tv which i dont even own to halls :p Lower your expectations and enjoy the gameplay.
 

Jules

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Originally posted by: 40sTheme
Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I am going to be honest...

I think Far cry at 1680 on my 22" LCD looks better than Gears of War on any screen I have played it on (24" WS LCD via vga and on a 50+" 1080p HD LCD).

Gears of War is the best looking console game that I have seen...but epic used a very intelligently selected ambiance and some tricks to produce scenes that look great on a HDTV viewed from some 8+ feet. But when you really sit back and just look at the scenes, the textures aren't really that great, the character and scene detail isn't that fantastic, the draw distance isn't that fantastic either.

But that is just my opinion... I can see why people think the GoW is best looking game ever and I can't really argue against their point of view. GoW has some uber hot graphical effects. But I prefer the the outside island jungle scenes of far cry to most anything I have played or seen.

LoL Ok.
Are you seriously THAT determined that GoW is the best looking game ever at this moment that you are going to completely dismiss his argument like that?
Stop saying 'You're wrong' or dismissing people and start giving reasons that it looks better than any game out. I personally think the cheap depth of field in that game ruins the graphical quality with the shimmery, ugly backgrounds it creates.
I love Far Cry too, miniMUNCH. It is still such an awesome looking game... and fun as hell.
I'm not going to denounce GoW on fun factor, though. If you get some good teammates on XBL and play you can have some really intense, fun games.

EDIT: Sorry didn't realize miniMUNCH didn't really have a large 'argument' to speak of, but you're still dismissing the small, relevant points he has made MyStupidMouth.

Ok.
 

lopri

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Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
Originally posted by: lopri
Is it possible at all to capture screenshots of actual gaming screenshots on XBOX360? I know I saw the trailer and was stunned by the visuals but that was a pre-rendered movie. I'd love to see actual gameplay shots (preferably 1080p). Then the graphical comparison of PC vs consoles would be a whole lot easier.

But I'm guessing it's not possible, knowing we're still arguing over which side's got better graphics..

Theres not much to argue about. Gears of wars has the best graphics out right now. Even though the pc has the power to pwn it because of hardware it isnt atm. btw look at all the awards the damn game has and i dont even like the game Lol.
You cannot just say "Believe me" to people without proof, or to people who has no access to that proof. I've heard of enough hype and saw the trailers of the game, and knowing the folks behind the game, I don't doubt the game looks amazing. But it still doesn't amount to "Seeing is Believing."
 

Jules

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Originally posted by: lopri
Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
Originally posted by: lopri
Is it possible at all to capture screenshots of actual gaming screenshots on XBOX360? I know I saw the trailer and was stunned by the visuals but that was a pre-rendered movie. I'd love to see actual gameplay shots (preferably 1080p). Then the graphical comparison of PC vs consoles would be a whole lot easier.

But I'm guessing it's not possible, knowing we're still arguing over which side's got better graphics..

Theres not much to argue about. Gears of wars has the best graphics out right now. Even though the pc has the power to pwn it because of hardware it isnt atm. btw look at all the awards the damn game has and i dont even like the game Lol.
You cannot just say "Believe me" to people without proof, or to people who has no access to that proof. I've heard of enough hype and saw the trailers of the game, and knowing the folks behind the game, I don't doubt the game looks amazing. But it still doesn't amount to "Seeing is Believing."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gears_of_War#Reception
 

lopri

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Oh boy.. what am I supposed to look? How many 'XBOX game of the year' awards did it receive? I'm sorry if I sound offensive but all I want is a couple of detailed screenshots so that I can be 'awed' for myself. Like I said, I am not doubting that the game is great looking. I just want to see it for myself. I'll just search google myself.
 

Jules

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Originally posted by: lopri
Oh boy.. what am I supposed to look? How many 'XBOX game of the year' awards did it receive? I'm sorry if I sound offensive but all I want is a couple of detailed screenshots so that I can be 'awed' for myself. Like I said, I am not doubting that the game is great looking. I just want to see it for myself. I'll just search google myself.

I didnt know it only got xbox game of the year awards. Im done with this thread :p Gonna go play some Counter Strike and alittle of RB6
 

ZimZum

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Originally posted by: lopri
Oh boy.. what am I supposed to look? How many 'XBOX game of the year' awards did it receive? I'm sorry if I sound offensive but all I want is a couple of detailed screenshots so that I can be 'awed' for myself. Like I said, I am not doubting that the game is great looking. I just want to see it for myself. I'll just search google myself.

Reading comprehension is your friend. Game of the year period.

Notice how most of the doubters haven't even played GOW. Play it on a decent HD setup then get back to me and let me know exactly which PC game has superior graphics.
 

NamelessMC

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Jesus...

Okay I'm a PC GAMER, I don't even have a 360 and I think Gears of War has better graphics than any PC game. The best looking PC game that's ALREADY OUT is Oblivion and Gears of War looks better.

I'll admit though, when UT2k7, Left 4 Dead, Crysis and Quake Wars comes out, PC will take the crown again.