Let's say that the Venice CAN do 3GHz with, with watercooling or air, then I would rather have the 3200 with some good RAM like the OCZ PC5000 or PC4800 and run 1:1 @ 1T. To me, that's worth $50.
You know what? I am getting more and more sick and tired of my Asus board as I find these out. The Asus doesn't overvolt, it has that stupid 1T, 1:1 issue (which I admit doesn't affect me as I don't run 1:1) and now this. I think it's getting closer to a point where I should just sell the Asus and go DFI.
What about the CBBID chips? They are the ones available here in Pakistan and my only choice for s939 A64. And the only reason I am going AMD instead of intel (AMD is WAAAAY overpriced here) is because I will oc the CBBID 3000+.
I keep hearing that the newer Winnies don't overclock as well as the older ones. I would defintely want to get a Venice but have waited for too long to build my new rig... can't wait 2 more months for Venice to get here. So, what can you more experience guys tell about the CBBID, 2005 week 4 and later chips? Any links to places which keep tabs of good steppings? I googled overclocking but couldn't find the info.
Thanks!
Zebo
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ya @3000mhz sucks to have 9x for lots of reasons, 10x prefered, I dunno how much that's going to happen though.
No doubt 3200 is more flexible since it can be a 3000 if it wants, but $50 lots of money for the chances...I used to buy whole AMD chips for less than that.
If you so rich just get a FX which is wide open any which way and has more cache. I mean at what point do you stop adding for conveinance??? 3200? 3500? 3800? The FX's?
Yes, you make a good argument, but I think that for me hitting 3000MHz is one of my goals. I feel $50 is worth it in case I can hit 3000MHz. I have my Winchester currently running at 2.6GHz and 2.8GHz isn't even worth pulling apart my heatsink for + buying a new proc + selling my old proc.
Yeah, since when did justifying an extra $50 equate to being rich? I can afford the $50 to go to 3200; there's a bigger cost jump to 3500+ that I don't feel is worth it. And FX? Come on man, that was just a silly comment.
HeroOfPellinor
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It also has a 150 divider. So, those of us with the DFI boards will be able to have a lot more flexibilty when it comes to finding the perfect settings of the chip-memory-mobo juggling act.
Like I said, I have my FSB at 313 now on my DFI with a 3000+ winnie. Subpar memory controller or not, if this winnie can do it, I'm sure the advancements made in the Venice memory controller will make it a definite across the board.
Zebo was spot on with his configurations for clocking a 3000+ Venice at 2800mhz w/ 311fsb. And, if these Venices do end up clocking to 3000mhz, those with the DFI board will still be able to do it with the 3000+ and a 9x multi easily enough:
3000mhz= 9x * 333 with a /120 divider (on the DFI board) will give ram at 200mhz for those with the cheap stuff (like me). If you don't have a /120 and need to use a /133, your ram will be running 217mhz.
So, if you say yes to these:
1) Your mobo can handle 333 fsb
2) The memory controller in the Venice is good enough for 333 fsb
3) You have either a /120 divider or ram that can do 217mhz with a /133 divider
then I don't see why the 10x multi would give you anything over the 9x multi. And this is all assuming these can hit 3.0ghz. If they're topping around 2.8, then as Zebo showed, the 9x multi would give better ram timings with the given dividers.
Of course, for me it is. For several reasons. Incremental increases in clockspeed are always more expensive especially when you are at the edge of current technology. A A64 running at 3000MHz isn't even available and even if it were it would price out at $800 at least.
The second and more important reason to me is that this whole overclocking thing is a great hobby. I would easily put $50 in for the chance to run at 3000MHz because that's my goal. I don't care to brag to people about it, but I want it for personal satisfaction and to run a couple of benches that put a smile on my face. To get benches that beat $800 processors all for $150 or $200 - what's the difference when your performance is on the cutting edge?
I'd hate myself if I got a 3000+ and it runs stable at 2800MHz at a reasonably low voltage and I know I can push it harder, but I'm limited by the multiplier. It isn't worth that frustration to save $50.
Zebo
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Yeah, since when did justifying an extra $50 equate to being rich?
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Since the dawn of time when consumers intriniscally understood price/performance ratios. If you pay 33% more money it better be 33% better or faster. There is no config at same Mhz, similar memory types, the 3000 vs 3200 will vary by more than 2-3% from one another. You prefer frivolous?
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Since the dawn of time when consumers intriniscally understood price/performance ratios. If you pay 33% more money it better be 33% better or faster. There is no config at same Mhz, similar memory types, the 3000 vs 3200 will vary by more than 2-3% from one another. You prefer frivolous?
The extra multiplier is worth $50 to most people who aren't saving up their allowance for the CPU in the first place.
Zebo
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Hardy worth it in any economics form. Maybe for bragging rights or insecurity sakes it's worth it.
I love saving. Using any saved to put into appreciating assets such as a house a business, some stock. Not the grand champion of depreciation, the computer. pretty boring, huh?
I love saving. Using any saved to put into appreciating assets such as a house a business, some stock. Not the grand champion of depreciation, the computer. pretty boring, huh?
I'll be getting the 3200+ myself. Not because I think it'll clock better than a 3000+, but I am a big fan of the additional flexability on the extra multiplier. I may not need it, but at least it is there so I can try to get the best out of my cpu and ram. But I am not in a big hurry since my DTR 3000+ does 2.7ghz (300x9) at 1.65v right now and will do 2.8ghz stable if I want to feed it a bit more voltage, so I'll be holding out until I see them starting to hit 3ghz on a at least semi regular basis.
You guys should suck it up and use some ddr600 (1 gig for 300$) then you could run 1:1
OCZ 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR600(PC4800) Dual Channel Platinum System Memory Model OCZ6001024ELDCPE-K
OCZ 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR600(PC4800) Dual Channel Platinum System Memory Model OCZ6001024ELDCPE-K
HeroOfPellinor
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Are the venice chips turning out to be bad overclockers? I was kind of hoping to hit somewhere in the 3.0-3.1ghz range with a 4000+
The Sauce
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I do not get the whole divider issue. I thought I did but how does 333 FSB with a /120 divider get you 200 MHz memory speed? Or 333 FSB with a /133 div get you 217 MHz memory? Someone please 'splain. Not getting it.
PS - NEvermind - found the answer elsewhere.
PS - NEvermind - found the answer elsewhere.
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