Venezuelan edging closer toward tyranny under Chavez

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Craig234
'neat from a scholarly perspective' is an inappropriate sentiment/phrase if the thing you think is happening, is happening. 'Scholarly perspecitve' does not exclude morality.

You might find it 'interesting' but the qualifiers about the harms don't belong absent, the word 'neat' has too many positivie connotations to be appropriate for societal disasters.

'The Rwandan genocide is kinda neat from a scholarly perspective, noting the innovations in how they recruit and brainwash the children to serve loyally and efficiently'. Wrong.

Sure, if you lacked the capability to look at something unemotionally to root out the lessons that can be learned. Sometimes you have to stop the tears from streaming down your face 24/7 so that you can look clearly at a problem.

It's interesting how ideology is blinding as many on the right can analyze some things in the people they disagree with that they are blind about when done by their own side.

To this day, I have yet to see a single right-winger here that I recall clearly condemn a wide range of wrongs by 'their side' I could list.

The bias/ideology is so strong, I recall how 'I fear my government' bumper stickers were a Republican rage under Clinton, and mysteriously all but disappeared under Bush.

They seem to be a growing market again. (Ya,I know Libertarians, you never took them off in many cases).

You talk abou t'dividing and conquering using class warfare' - but you are blind to the actual, real class warfare being waged by the rich - you only complain about the non-rich.

You talk about the corruption of the military support for the government, without any apparent awareness of the massive corruption of our own society's military system.

The recent vote of 40 Senators to fund a massive F-22 spending budget in the time of economic crisis and debt that even Obama, the Pentagon and McCain opposed says a lot.

(No, it's not contradictory for the Pentagon to oppose some programs and still have a terribly corrupt system with the revolving door, but that's a longer discussion.)

You refer to "Absolute 24/7 repetition of, "There are bad people just outside our borders and they want to destroy us, they want to kill me because only I can stop them!"", yet where is your recognition of how that was exactly the same thing done for so long by the US government to its citizens with terrorists, commies, and others?

You metion "The application of the letter of the law to try to plausibly explain away your actions, while the spirit of the law is clearly violated", but do you recognize how exactly you are describing the Buh administration's behavior on so many issues, such as torture and the 'Unitary Executive' doctrine to let the President ignore the law, his abuse of 'signing statements' for the same purpose, and many other examples?

While I tend to be fairly informed about the going-ons in the U.S., I don't really care what the Bush White House did - I'm not American. I don't feel any obligation to defend their actions in any way. Interestingly however, you feel the need to divert the topic away from the President of Venezuela. But we know from prior experience that asking you to examine your own biases is a laughably lost cause.

You and others need to get a little perspective before equating very different leaders.

I do, but that's not the topic at hand.

Mao killed millions; Chavez has not.

It's interesting how if Chavez tries to help the poor and hurts the economy instead, it's proof he's a monster on the scale of Stalin, but if a Republican President claims his policy will help the poor but actually results in hurting the pooor andhelpng the rich, it's not only condemned similarly, but excuses are made and it's widely attempted to even deny the facts of the policy's effects. That's the bias of ideology.

Well! If he isn't killing millions and instead is waging a mostly paper war to take over a nation, that's okay. It's especially okay if you try your darndest to make the topic about a completely different country.

I smiled at you talking about others' bias of ideology. It takes an especially weak mind to be as afraid of examining oneself as you are.

 

[yllus]

From Craig234 via private message
Your post has led me to view you as a scumbag, who I ask not to read or reply to my posts. No reply is welcome - you will simply not respond in PM or the forum if you agree to the request, and I'm not interested in comment.

You may not have the balls to reply in public - again - but I can and will.

I will reply to any post I want, and since you're such a stupid, simple fool to refute - and now knowing how much it bothers you to be exposed for what you are - I will redouble my efforts to respond to your childish posts. Thanks for the PM.

Moreover, lol @ asking me not to reply to him. Who first replied to who in this thread? And this after being told for the second time in another thread that Craig234 will no longer look at my posts...

CAPITALISM

Originally posted by: Craig234
No, I made a serious comment that you are delusional - and that explains your post.

I did not read Yllus' post and do not plan to, as he crossed a line with the first few words.

You can either improve your own posts to be more than the idiocy you have consistently posted, or join him. I'd rather you join him, frankly, but have a thing for underdogs.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: yllus

From Craig234 via private message
Your post has led me to view you as a scumbag, who I ask not to read or reply to my posts. No reply is welcome - you will simply not respond in PM or the forum if you agree to the request, and I'm not interested in comment.

You may not have the balls to reply in public - again - but I can and will.

I will reply to any post I want, and since you're such a stupid, simple fool to refute - and now knowing how much it bothers you to be exposed for what you are - I will redouble my efforts to respond to your childish posts. Thanks for the PM.

Hahah craig is such a child. He does the same thing with Vic when Vic turns Craigs blathering on its head and destroys him in debate.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

From Craig234 via private message

Rather than dragging down the thread, I'll simply say that your post about irony is the irony, as you don't get a lot, and you are making idiotic insults. I'm one step from asking you not to read or reply to my posts.

If you have any chance of growing out of your limitations, I'm willing to help, but if you don't agree with what I'm saying and will not change, then we have nothing to discuss except my request being made.

Oh boy, I got a PM too! I must be lucky. Listen up Craig -- you are a partisan hack and what I posted was 100% spot on. It is *YOU* who just doesn't get it. You are a clueless intellectual wannabe who posts nothing but drivel from your stunted point of view. I think it was Bober who said you were vile and had a robotic devotion to Democrat dogma. He was 100% correct.

Also, who the hell do you think you are? Asking me "not to read or reply to my posts"? How about making it easy for me not to read or reply and stop posting the crap you spew?

 

[shiner]

I got the exact same PM from crybaby craig234. Typical of his type....

 

[BoberFett]

Haha, PMs from Craig are hilarious. He just calls people childish and tells them how he won't read their posts anymore. What a tool.

 

[SAWYER]

LOL:laugh: You guys must have really struck and nerve and he didn't want to be honest with himself. If the line pot calling the kettle black was ever deserving it is with that guy.

 

[Sinsear]

Awesome. I needed a laugh this afternoon.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Haha, PMs from Craig are hilarious. He just calls people childish and tells them how he won't read their posts anymore. What a tool.

I've gotten them before too. I beat him to the punch and told him not to respond anymore to my posts.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: shiner
I got the exact same PM from crybaby craig234. Typical of his type....

I guess he is trying to enforce "free speech" like his pal Chavez.

 

[shiner]

The PM's keep coming. Just got another one telling me....and this is a shocker....that I'm an ass.

Oh teh noes!!!!

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: shiner
I got the exact same PM from crybaby craig234. Typical of his type....

I guess he is trying to enforce "free speech" like his pal Chavez.

Remember...freedom isn't free.

It costs a buck o' five

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Haha, PMs from Craig are hilarious. He just calls people childish and tells them how he won't read their posts anymore. What a tool.

And then breaks his promise, reads your next post, and responds or re-PMs you.

 

[SAWYER]

He will have half the board on the ignore list on vbulletin but will manually view every post:laugh: Just posting on AT will be quite a chore for the poor guy

 

[benzylic]

Originally posted by: blanghorst
Also, who the hell do you think you are? Asking me "not to read or reply to my posts"? How about making it easy for me not to read or reply and stop posting the crap you spew?

Thats my favorite part. How will you be able to live with yourself knowing you aren't allowed to read Craig's messages?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: shiner
The PM's keep coming. Just got another one telling me....and this is a shocker....that I'm an ass.

Oh teh noes!!!!

shiner

In the future please refrain from posting to any thread which I have previously posted on.

BoberFett

 

[lupi]

I'm somewhat surprised more of the socialism for the masses aren't helping with the defense of the cause and leaving it to craigers to do himself. This is the type of stuff senseless and jp loves.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: shiner
The PM's keep coming. Just got another one telling me....and this is a shocker....that I'm an ass.

Oh teh noes!!!!

shiner

In the future please refrain from posting to any thread which I have previously posted on.

BoberFett

Bober,

In the future please refrain from telling me to refrain from posting to any thread which you have previously refrained from posting in.

Shiner

 

[SAWYER]

Evey one on the internet who points out truths I don't like,

Please get written permission from me before going online

Craig

 

[JD50]

This thread should be stickied.

 

[alchemize]

:laugh:

Classic! So glad to have you back shiner...

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: JD50
This thread should be stickied.

Exposing Craig for the buffoonish ass that he is is something that needs to be stickied, though I think a simple search with "Craig234" as the search term typically yields dozens of hits showing this fact.

It is incredible that in a thread mentioning Chavez's policing of the press and free speech that Craig PMs several of us and basically tells us not to read or respond to his messages, as if he is our "Dear Leader."

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: JD50
This thread should be stickied.

Exposing Craig for the buffoonish ass that he is is something that needs to be stickied, though I think a simple search with "Craig234" as the search term typically yields dozens of hits showing this fact.

It is incredible that in a thread mentioning Chavez's policing of the press and free speech that Craig PMs several of us and basically tells us not to read or respond to his messages, as if he is our "Dear Leader."

Freedom of speech, as long as you agree with us.

 

[SAWYER]

Those who scream tolerance the loudest are usually the least tolerant

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Sawyer
Those who scream tolerance the loudest are usually the least tolerant

Stop hurting my feelings!