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You should be ashamed for trying to obfuscate how utterly fucked our system is with this bullshit.
Stay mad buddy. Try not to burst a blood vessel.

There are things that are messed up, but lots of people still working and making progress addressing those issues.

Also, the 80s were objectively worse. So GTFO if you think the past was better.
 

amenx

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President of a country with a standing army being accused of posessing machine guns. Says the stupidest AG of the stupidest admin of the stupidest pres in US history.

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MrSquished

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Stay mad buddy. Try not to burst a blood vessel.

There are things that are messed up, but lots of people still working and making progress addressing those issues.

Also, the 80s were objectively worse. So GTFO if you think the past was better.
Stay mad at the points of view that are dragging us a society backwards, and have assisted MAGA in taking over? Awww, sorry that offends your corrupt as fook corporate establishment Dem playbook.

It's funny you think I am bursting a blood vessel when I am calmly reading the forums in between writing emails, sipping on tea. You corrupt center-right corporatists are amusing.

Nowhere did I say the 80's were better, you are just lying like a Trumper now. Pathetic.
 

Muse

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Stay mad buddy. Try not to burst a blood vessel.

There are things that are messed up, but lots of people still working and making progress addressing those issues.

Also, the 80s were objectively worse. So GTFO if you think the past was better.
I've always generally agreed with that attitude. But Trump has turned it upside down. He appears to be absolutely determined to destroy all progress that's been made in the USA, ever, and by any means whatsoever, laws and decency be damned.
 
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I think Halliburton has the best practical expertise. Chevron is already present.

Small excerpts from text :
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Former President Hugo Chavez seized assets from U.S. oil majors in 2007. Chevron is the only U.S. oil major operating in Venezuela. Exxon and Conoco have billions of dollars in outstanding claims against Caracas from Chavez’s nationalization.
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Trump railed against Venezuela’s oil nationalization, describing it as “one of the largest thefts of American property in the history of our country.”
“The oil companies are going to go in, they’re going to spend money, we’re going to take back the oil that, frankly, we should have taken back a long time ago,” the president said.
The administration will discuss plans with oil executives to expand in the country, a U.S. official told CNBC.
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The Biden administration issued a license in 2022 that allowed Chevron’s joint venture with PDVSA to produce and export oil. The Trump administration granted the oil major a restricted license in July 2025 that allowed it to pump but banned proceeds from going to the Maduro government.
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Rebuilding Venezuela’s oil infrastructure will likely cost billions. Investors were speculating the work could boost business for oil services companies, with shares of Slb up more than 10%, Halliburton gained 9%, while Baker Hughes added 4% in trading Monday.
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This complements the information in my other post about news with experts explaining it into detail.

 
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MrSquished

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I've always generally agreed with that attitude. But Trump has turned it upside down. He appears to be absolutely determined to destroy all progress that's been made in the USA, ever, and by any means whatsoever, laws and decency be damned.
It's a terrible point of view and attitude. Hey the 1910's were better than the 1850's, so they shouldn't have complained much. It's just a weak logical position to defend a shitty corporate center-right point of view that really wants as little structural change as possible and supports an overall very corrupt system. Sure it looks a lot better next to the pure evil that are the Republicans, but it's still a shitty corrupt corporate lobbyist system support.
 

MrSquished

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Try reading next time instead of rage butting in. I was responding to Felix's dreams of living in the 80s again.
It's amazing this has to be explained for you.

You still obfuscated the problems today. Oh sure there are some problems, was your comment about today; very flippant and a bit dismissive. Totally blowing over how utterly fucked we are, and for example, wealth inequality has exploded since then. It's far worse now than in the 80's.

We are better off in some ways, worse off in others. Reading your statement, which goes along with many in the past, your statement is problematic.
 

HomerJS

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Diversity is our strength and this thread is very diverse...in opinions.

Sadly we lost our greater strength about 40 years ago, unity. Unity is the strongest strength. Too much diversity leads to conflict, indecisivenes and derision.

We stand united in removing Maduro and ridding the world of drugs. Or do we?
Trump doesn't. He pardoned a convicted drug trafficker.
 

KMFJD

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Gustavo Petro (Colombia's President had a few words to say, he's a bit pissed to say the least-

I don’t know if Maduro is good or bad, not even if he’s a drug trafficker; in the files of the Colombian justice system, after half a century of dealing with the biggest cocaine mafias, the names of Nicolás Maduro or Cilia Flores don’t appear. Those who have come forward to denounce him are Venezuelan opposition generals, nothing more, seeking to topple the popular vote.

The judicial power in Colombia doesn’t belong to me; it’s independent of me, and my opposition largely handles it.

If one wants to know about the mafia and the business of cocaine commercialization, just look at Colombia’s judicial files.

That’s why I deeply reject Trump speaking without knowing; my name doesn’t appear in the judicial files on drug trafficking over 50 years, neither from before nor from the present. Stop slandering me, Mr. Trump. That’s not how you threaten a Latin American president who emerged from the armed struggle and then from the people of Colombia’s fight for Peace.

I was part of the clandestine organization that fought for democracy in Colombia against the civil dictatorship of the "State of Emergency." The organization that in 1974, long before Chávez, carried out the operation to raise Bolívar’s sword once more, who said he would never sheathe it until injustice ended in Gran Colombia. I was with the M19 that made the first peace in contemporary Latin America.

He doesn’t read Colombia’s history, and that’s why he fails when he criticizes us. He should only meet with his officers who are experts in drug investigations in Colombia, whom I’ve helped with my own investigations as a senator of the Republic from Colombia’s Left and its people, who have suffered the narco genocide and its political allies, who are also allies of the American far right.

Tens of thousands of our comrades from the armed and popular struggle for democracy were assassinated, and we didn’t go begging you for invasions; we endured and won through Peace.

I’ve never burned a U.S. flag because I’ve read the history of the popular and workers’ struggles in the U.S. through Zinn’s books in Spanish. And that’s why I honor the American working people, the Black and Indigenous people, the young soldiers who, alongside the Soviets, defeated Hitler.

And that’s why I dared to speak on a street in New York in front of the United Nations building and under U.S. law that protects the opinions of those attending the United Nations Assembly to speak freely. I spoke against the genocide in Gaza—how I would have loved to accompany you to make peace in Gaza! Where the Palestinians love me, and perhaps if instead of going to capture a Latin American president with small controls on oil because you blocked the oil and condemned us to hunger and unleashed the exodus that reached your own country, I would have accompanied you to capture Netanyahu, the genocidaire.

For what I said, you took the arrogance to punish my opinion, my words against the Palestinian genocide. Your punishment is to falsely accuse me of being a drug trafficker and having cocaine factories; I don’t have a car, nor estates abroad—my house I’m still paying off to the bank with my salary. It’s unjust, and I fight against injustices.

I’m friends with a lot of people in the U.S. who stop me on the streets, surround me with their arms.

That’s why I respect the history that began with Washington and Bolívar together; they gave each other things, they were liberators more than enslavers.

I learned not to be a slave, and I reject your phrases assigning us unilaterally as your domain’s territory; we Latin Americans are republicans and independent, and many of us revolutionaries. Don’t think Latin America is just a nest of criminals poisoning your people—respect us and read our history, which dates back 30,000 years across all of America. I read your history to understand you. Don’t see drug traffickers where there are only genuine warriors for Democracy and Freedom.



 

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Gustavo Petro (Colombia's President had a few words to say, he's a bit pissed to say the least-

I don’t know if Maduro is good or bad, not even if he’s a drug trafficker; in the files of the Colombian justice system, after half a century of dealing with the biggest cocaine mafias, the names of Nicolás Maduro or Cilia Flores don’t appear. Those who have come forward to denounce him are Venezuelan opposition generals, nothing more, seeking to topple the popular vote.

The judicial power in Colombia doesn’t belong to me; it’s independent of me, and my opposition largely handles it.

If one wants to know about the mafia and the business of cocaine commercialization, just look at Colombia’s judicial files.

That’s why I deeply reject Trump speaking without knowing; my name doesn’t appear in the judicial files on drug trafficking over 50 years, neither from before nor from the present. Stop slandering me, Mr. Trump. That’s not how you threaten a Latin American president who emerged from the armed struggle and then from the people of Colombia’s fight for Peace.

I was part of the clandestine organization that fought for democracy in Colombia against the civil dictatorship of the "State of Emergency." The organization that in 1974, long before Chávez, carried out the operation to raise Bolívar’s sword once more, who said he would never sheathe it until injustice ended in Gran Colombia. I was with the M19 that made the first peace in contemporary Latin America.

He doesn’t read Colombia’s history, and that’s why he fails when he criticizes us. He should only meet with his officers who are experts in drug investigations in Colombia, whom I’ve helped with my own investigations as a senator of the Republic from Colombia’s Left and its people, who have suffered the narco genocide and its political allies, who are also allies of the American far right.

Tens of thousands of our comrades from the armed and popular struggle for democracy were assassinated, and we didn’t go begging you for invasions; we endured and won through Peace.

I’ve never burned a U.S. flag because I’ve read the history of the popular and workers’ struggles in the U.S. through Zinn’s books in Spanish. And that’s why I honor the American working people, the Black and Indigenous people, the young soldiers who, alongside the Soviets, defeated Hitler.

And that’s why I dared to speak on a street in New York in front of the United Nations building and under U.S. law that protects the opinions of those attending the United Nations Assembly to speak freely. I spoke against the genocide in Gaza—how I would have loved to accompany you to make peace in Gaza! Where the Palestinians love me, and perhaps if instead of going to capture a Latin American president with small controls on oil because you blocked the oil and condemned us to hunger and unleashed the exodus that reached your own country, I would have accompanied you to capture Netanyahu, the genocidaire.

For what I said, you took the arrogance to punish my opinion, my words against the Palestinian genocide. Your punishment is to falsely accuse me of being a drug trafficker and having cocaine factories; I don’t have a car, nor estates abroad—my house I’m still paying off to the bank with my salary. It’s unjust, and I fight against injustices.

I’m friends with a lot of people in the U.S. who stop me on the streets, surround me with their arms.

That’s why I respect the history that began with Washington and Bolívar together; they gave each other things, they were liberators more than enslavers.

I learned not to be a slave, and I reject your phrases assigning us unilaterally as your domain’s territory; we Latin Americans are republicans and independent, and many of us revolutionaries. Don’t think Latin America is just a nest of criminals poisoning your people—respect us and read our history, which dates back 30,000 years across all of America. I read your history to understand you. Don’t see drug traffickers where there are only genuine warriors for Democracy and Freedom.



You can add @FelixDeCat to that list.
 

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I have no doubt that Trump did something bad, it's his M.O. My question, which you did not answer, is what is the motivation for the action. I am not defending my nation, nothing that has happened on a national level in the last year is defensible.
Personally I think that it's more about keeping China from investing in Venezuelan oil than drugs or the US investing in Venezuelan oil.
I think that the US would rather keep South America disfuctional than let China get a foothold.
 
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While drugs were used as the pretext for the attack, Trump has said the US now plans to “run” Venezuela until a government acceptable to the US is installed and to ensure that American companies get access to Venezuela’s oil. Trump made clear that he’s considering sending troops into Venezuela as part of an occupation force, claiming that he’s “not afraid of boots on the ground.”
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I am Amazed and appalled.
It is just like Iraq and the Bush administration.
Now it is Venezuela and the Trump administration.

What makes this different from the Russians invading Ukraine ? (Also for oil and gas).
 
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This documentary is partially in English and partially in dutch (use subtitles).
This is going to be very difficult for the USA, if they gain control of the Venezuelan oil and gas, they also have to buy off long running contracts Venezuela has with China and Russia for Venezuelan oil and gas. Contracts payed up front.
The Maduro government already has attracted Chinese investors to invest in the national oil industry.
So it becomes more and more clear what is really going on.

 
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"Conspiracy to possess machine guns against the United States." WTaF does that even mean?
That all this was cooked up by the stupidest people who cannot even tell a straight lie.
Trump may be too incompetent to ever follow Hitler, but that doesn't detract from the Nazi movement he leads. Someone smarter, younger, and more malicious will rise among Republican ranks.
 

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What makes this different from the Russians invading Ukraine ? (Also for oil and gas).
Trump has yet to make the commitment to the full crime. It is possible that he never will. He is quite pleased with the blockade to strangle Venezuela, and one they have little recourse to oppose. It would take years for South America to organize an effective counter strike to break our navy. In fact, the easiest response would be special operations on our soil. Because the Navy could just pull back and still blockade.
 
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Trump has yet to make the commitment to the full crime. It is possible that he never will. He is quite pleased with the blockade to strangle Venezuela, and one they have little recourse to oppose. It would take years for South America to organize an effective counter strike to break our navy. In fact, the easiest response would be special operations on our soil. Because the Navy could just pull back and still blockade.
It is insane. If the USA would send a delegation of oil company officials, investers and engineers to help Venezuela becoming a more prosperous country for the price of having a long lasting oil and gas contract. As they had before, during and after WW2... That would make sense.

What is so funny and strange at the same time, is that Trump and Rubio contradict each other in the messages they spread :
  • Trump : China and Russia can buy Venezuelan oil.
  • Rubio : It is our oil, present on our western hemisphere and it is ours , in our southern backyard. No China or Russia or Iran allowed.
This reminds me of the George W. Bush administration at the time.
 
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That all this was cooked up by the stupidest people who cannot even tell a straight lie.
Trump may be too incompetent to ever follow Hitler, but that doesn't detract from the Nazi movement he leads. Someone smarter, younger, and more malicious will rise among Republican ranks.
I noticed everybody attacks president Trump because he is the face of the Trump administration but Marco Rubio scares me more.