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Venezuela Food Shortages
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imported_Shivetya
Platinum Member
per capita is a meaningless measurement when most of the wealth is locked up by very few in that country. You only have too look at the number of "poor" in that country to realize that it isn't distributed.
imported_Shivetya
Platinum Member
Because he talks bad about Bush. That is all it takes to make someone a champion in their eyes. They would allow Saddam to stay in power, give Iran nukes, and let nutcases like Chavez ruin a country if only it makes Bush look bad.
When Chavez goes away I am pretty sure the body count will be very high. Yet, since Carter approved of his election he must be a swell guy.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
So according to you if someone criticizes Bush for being a bad President they are Pro Chavez?
AFAIC Chavez is Venezualas problem, they voted him in, let them reap what they sow. That place was a sh!thole with Oil before he was elected, I don't think it's any better now, just different. I guess all the uproar over him being in power is from those who were profiting from Venezualan Oil before he took over. For most Americans they couldn't give a sh!t.
blckgrffn
Diamond Member
Which is really too bad. I don't know what the answer to the social and economic problems are - I suppose in the long term that is what the Venezuelan people have to figure out for themselves. Let's hope for them it is a quick and largely bloodless one.
I am not holding my breath, though.
KurskKnyaz
Senior member
what? under socialism? NO WAY!
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Poverty rates have increased under Bush's Corporate reign so what's your point?
KurskKnyaz
Senior member
Please explain how bush is responsible for this.
blckgrffn
Diamond Member
I know, I know... I have been reading posts here about it, but that news story really slammed it home for me. I had thought that Chavez might have really been serious about making this work... but it doesn't seem he is bringing a lot of economic sense to the equation, making me dread how this is going to end up.
zephyrprime
Diamond Member
Well as I predicted, Venezuela is sliding into the gutter. The only surprise to me is how fast it is occurring. I'm also sticking by my prediction that will see huge inflation sometime in the future when chavez starts to rely on the printing presses to support his economy.
This is how I think things should be done in like venezuela:
Oil actually screws a country up. It raises the value of the currency so that foreign industry doesn't want to invest in the country because the cost of labor is higher than in other countries without oil. The only thing to do is the give the oil profits directly to the citizens. It must not got directly to the government because doing so allows the government to become unaccountable. Also, oil resources should not be sold off to foreign companies but should also not be developed by a national oil corporation. Oil fields should be leased to private developers for a royalty fee. Efforts should be made to create value added products based on oil like plastics and chemicals.
This is how I think things should be done in like venezuela:
Oil actually screws a country up. It raises the value of the currency so that foreign industry doesn't want to invest in the country because the cost of labor is higher than in other countries without oil. The only thing to do is the give the oil profits directly to the citizens. It must not got directly to the government because doing so allows the government to become unaccountable. Also, oil resources should not be sold off to foreign companies but should also not be developed by a national oil corporation. Oil fields should be leased to private developers for a royalty fee. Efforts should be made to create value added products based on oil like plastics and chemicals.
KurskKnyaz
Senior member
Maybe I did. What is the point? Chavez's direct involvment in price control is messing up the economy. Presidents have a negligible impact on the economy.
imported_Shivetya
Platinum Member
by such a small percent as to be nearly meaningless. Its 12.6% currently. A little more than 1% growth. The US poverty rate cannot be compared to most countries as many living below poverty live in 3+ bedroom homes....
What we consider poverty is near luxury in other countries.
spittledip
Diamond Member
Chavez is not a great leader, or not really even a good one. However, he is better than the people who were in before him. I would not want him running a country I was living in, but the truth is that at least he has tried to deal with poverty and the poor in a meaningful way unlike his predecessors and unlike the US. In the US we give out a little bits of money to leash people via dependency (democrats) rather than truly empower or equip them to take on life. The US could do so much more we have many more resources, but for some reason we don't.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Nice diversion, try sticking to apples and apples please.
How can poverty be increasing in such a "booming" economy as you and your heroes proclaim?
halik
Lifer
That's a rather uneducated comment on the poverty issue - Clinton's wellfare reform has significant positive results in few years ( 57% dropoff in welfare rolls, sharp decreases in child povery rates etc. ).
Chavez apprach is idiotic at best, especially if he he doesn't subsidize the gov't preset prices. Plus nationalizing foreign-owned companies is a BAD move, as this will result in the biggest capital flight since Russia's default. Just sit back and watch the Venezuelan economy come apart.
Specop 007
Diamond Member
Why dont you compare population growth to the poverty rate growth?
If population explodes by 50% and yet the poverty percentage only increases by 1%, thats amazing. It means you have more people and more people geetting rich.
To simply say "poverty grew by 1%" is hardly a comparison that our President is a failure.
Now, as an aside, I wont argue he isnt a failure, but I certainly wouldnt use a ridiculously low 1% increase in poverty as the reason.
yllus
Elite Member & Lifer
An even more interesting aspect of President Clinton's welfare reform was that it began to cut people off from state-provided cash and in general made the requirements for the program far stricter.
One 'Reform' That Worked
We actually see Chavez moving in precisely the opposite direction from this program that has measurably attained great success.
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