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Venezuela Food Shortages

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I don't post on this much, but I find the last bit of this article scary. I know I wouldn't want to live in an 1984 world... (technically, the people selling stuff above government prices are breaking their laws - but they sound pretty bogus and out of touch with reality to me.)

Yahoo! article

Nat


 
too many people have been living a lie, the lie is that VZ under Chavez is somehow a paradise for the downtrodden and such. Nope, its a replay of the communist regimes of the Soviet union era, there are two worlds. The one the poor live in and the one the government leaders live in.

An over regulated economy is a stagnate economy. You get long lines, low supply, and generally the poor take it on the chin.

 
I predict there will be a speech from Chavez shortly blaming the food shortages on the criminal imperialist Bush who is trying to crush the VZ poor under his boot.

viva la revolucion!
 
Govt price controls lead to shortages? Gee that is a first! Oh wait I forgot the USSR had chronic shortages and even the United States when they set federal price controls on gasoiline in the 1970s had shortages.

This is kind of amusing though coming from that country. Hugo's subjects are experiencing socialism first hand.
 
No worries, Chavez will bring food distribution under a central agency to sort out this mess.
 
No one has called Venezuela a paradise for the poor, they've said it's less horrific under Chavez. But the rabid right can't get that and can only hate the enemy du jour they're told to hate by their authoritarians.

They don't understand how they're being dupes for those who oppose Chavez not because Chavez is wrong, but because he's taking money out of their pockets to benefit the Venezuelan public. Useful idiots, as Lenin said, only in this case for the right-wing elites rather than for the communist elites.
 
All of you Chavez haters are missing a key point though. The per capita GDP of Venezuela ($5,026) is greater than that of some of our wonderful "democratic" allies.
Countries such as: Argentina, Panama, Grenada, Costa Rica, Romania, Brazil, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Peru, Thailand, Columbia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Samoa, Philippines, Honduras, Nicaragua, India, etc......

India is often held up as a capitalist paradise, but somehow the socialist Venezuela has a per capita GDP SEVEN times that of India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

Chavez haters, please explain this.
 
Shortages have sporadically appeared with items from milk to coffee since early 2003, when Chavez began regulating prices for 400 basic products as a way to counter inflation and protect the poor.



hahahaha, what an idiot.
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
All of you Chavez haters are missing a key point though. The per capita GDP of Venezuela ($5,026) is greater than that of some of our wonderful "democratic" allies.
Countries such as: Argentina, Panama, Grenada, Costa Rica, Romania, Brazil, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Peru, Thailand, Columbia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Samoa, Philippines, Honduras, Nicaragua, India, etc......

India is often held up as a capitalist paradise, but somehow the socialist Venezuela has a per capita GDP SEVEN times that of India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

Chavez haters, please explain this.
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I don't see what you're getting at? How does comparing this socialist experiment and the democratic nations you listed prove anything? Since Chavez took power, did the GDP of Venezuela skyrocket to that 7x figure?

Venezuela - GDP - per capita ($) - Historical Data Graphs per Year

It doesn't look like Chavez has been a positive contributor to that figure. And by the way, I have no idea who you've been talking to, but India (commonly ranked as one of the most corrupt nations on Earth) is not exactly a nation I or anyone I know would classify as "a capitalist paradise".
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
All of you Chavez haters are missing a key point though. The per capita GDP of Venezuela ($5,026) is greater than that of some of our wonderful "democratic" allies.
Countries such as: Argentina, Panama, Grenada, Costa Rica, Romania, Brazil, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Peru, Thailand, Columbia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Samoa, Philippines, Honduras, Nicaragua, India, etc......

India is often held up as a capitalist paradise, but somehow the socialist Venezuela has a per capita GDP SEVEN times that of India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

Chavez haters, please explain this.
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India had a socialist-leaning approach for most of its history. Only in the early 90s did they start adopting economic reforms.
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
All of you Chavez haters are missing a key point though. The per capita GDP of Venezuela ($5,026) is greater than that of some of our wonderful "democratic" allies.
Countries such as: Argentina, Panama, Grenada, Costa Rica, Romania, Brazil, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Peru, Thailand, Columbia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Samoa, Philippines, Honduras, Nicaragua, India, etc......

India is often held up as a capitalist paradise, but somehow the socialist Venezuela has a per capita GDP SEVEN times that of India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

Chavez haters, please explain this.
Click to expand...


Hmm.....higher GDP or having enough food to live......yea, real tough decision there.
 
Originally posted by: marincounty
All of you Chavez haters are missing a key point though. The per capita GDP of Venezuela ($5,026) is greater than that of some of our wonderful "democratic" allies.
Countries such as: Argentina, Panama, Grenada, Costa Rica, Romania, Brazil, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Peru, Thailand, Columbia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Samoa, Philippines, Honduras, Nicaragua, India, etc......

India is often held up as a capitalist paradise, but somehow the socialist Venezuela has a per capita GDP SEVEN times that of India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

Chavez haters, please explain this.
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I'll step forward and explain this: GDP in Venezuela doesn't mean sh1t. It's a nation very rich with oil, which skews the economical report, and Oil prices skyrocketed during the last years, as we all know - incidentally, during Chavez's regime.
That might look like Venezuela is taking a turn for the better while its actually not.
Furthermore, due to the corrupt nature of the Venezuelan economy, I'm sure its citizens are much worse off than citizens of countries with similar GDP. I really doubt the average joe gets to enjoy the oil earnings.

I'm sure that if you deduct oil earnings and focus on the rest of the economy, it would look pretty bleak - especially now that Chavez decided to nationalize large portions of the foreign investments in the country. I'm sure no corporation in its right mind would go investing there. No investors, no foreign money, bad relationship with the world - where exactly are they heading? It's the next North Korea.


 
Originally posted by: marincounty
All of you Chavez haters are missing a key point though. The per capita GDP of Venezuela ($5,026) is greater than that of some of our wonderful "democratic" allies.
Countries such as: Argentina, Panama, Grenada, Costa Rica, Romania, Brazil, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Peru, Thailand, Columbia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Samoa, Philippines, Honduras, Nicaragua, India, etc......

India is often held up as a capitalist paradise, but somehow the socialist Venezuela has a per capita GDP SEVEN times that of India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

Chavez haters, please explain this.
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GDP means nothing when 53% of the citizens are still living in poverty.
 
GDP means nothing when 53% of the citizens are still living in poverty.
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Which, of course, neatly avoids the whole question of how they got there in the first place, which was under the economic system previously used in Venezuela...

Socialism is a reaction to that, not the cause of it...

I don't know what the answer is, but blaming Chavez sure as hell isn't it...
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
GDP means nothing when 53% of the citizens are still living in poverty.
Click to expand...

Which, of course, neatly avoids the whole question of how they got there in the first place, which was under the economic system previously used in Venezuela...

Socialism is a reaction to that, not the cause of it...

I don't know what the answer is, but blaming Chavez sure as hell isn't it...
Click to expand...

Are you fvcking HIGH? He's been squandering Oil Money by going abroad and acting like a dildo, and he's destroyed good privately run companies (that provided jobs), because he's a douche. How in the fvck is he NOT to blame? Because he talks a good talk? Because he copied Silva's microloans strategy that was a ripoff from Vicente Fox?

Chavez is slowly destroying the economy by centralizing things, penalizing independent thought and free markets, and giving the people lip service while spending money on bullsh1t. The infrastructure in Caracas is crumbling. Yeah, it isn't Chavez's fault. The fairy godmother must be the one fouling things up.
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
GDP means nothing when 53% of the citizens are still living in poverty.
Click to expand...

Which, of course, neatly avoids the whole question of how they got there in the first place, which was under the economic system previously used in Venezuela...

Socialism is a reaction to that, not the cause of it...

I don't know what the answer is, but blaming Chavez sure as hell isn't it...
Click to expand...

Are you fvcking HIGH? He's been squandering Oil Money by going abroad and acting like a dildo, and he's destroyed good privately run companies (that provided jobs), because he's a douche. How in the fvck is he NOT to blame? Because he talks a good talk? Because he copied Silva's microloans strategy that was a ripoff from Vicente Fox?

Chavez is slowly destroying the economy by centralizing things, penalizing independent thought and free markets, and giving the people lip service while spending money on bullsh1t. The infrastructure in Caracas is crumbling. Yeah, it isn't Chavez's fault. The fairy godmother must be the one fouling things up.
Click to expand...

But look on the brightside, maybe all the hot women will leave and come to the U.S. 😛
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
GDP means nothing when 53% of the citizens are still living in poverty.
Click to expand...

Which, of course, neatly avoids the whole question of how they got there in the first place, which was under the economic system previously used in Venezuela...

Socialism is a reaction to that, not the cause of it...

I don't know what the answer is, but blaming Chavez sure as hell isn't it...
Click to expand...

Are you fvcking HIGH? He's been squandering Oil Money by going abroad and acting like a dildo, and he's destroyed good privately run companies (that provided jobs), because he's a douche. How in the fvck is he NOT to blame? Because he talks a good talk? Because he copied Silva's microloans strategy that was a ripoff from Vicente Fox?

Chavez is slowly destroying the economy by centralizing things, penalizing independent thought and free markets, and giving the people lip service while spending money on bullsh1t. The infrastructure in Caracas is crumbling. Yeah, it isn't Chavez's fault. The fairy godmother must be the one fouling things up.
Click to expand...

But look on the brightside, maybe all the hot women will leave and come to the U.S. 😛
Click to expand...

population control and hot women, damn it's a win-win for you Dave.
 
Venezuela is better off now than it was before Chavez. Those same people who are experiencing the food shortage now would have had even less if he wasn't in power.
 
Originally posted by: spittledip
Venezuela is better off now than it was before Chavez. Those same people who are experiencing the food shortage now would have had even less if he wasn't in power.
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annnnnnndddddd, how do you know this? Are you privy to an alternate universe where Chavez was not in power?
 
Um, he hasn't been in power very long. The govt before him stole land from the Amerindians and gave it to rich people and businesses from out-of-country. They trod the poor underfoot. They also fixed elections.
 
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