Vehicle driven into crowd in Stockholm Sweden

[agent00f]

Demonstrably false, as per your first quote.

You say yourself that the person was potentially brown. Your statement underscores a sensitivity to the issue that people will react to it because the person was brown. Just own up to it.

Rather obvious what the degenerates referred to meant, esp given their history. Maybe between you and allisolm the first one to eventually figure it out can explain to the other.

 

[allisolm]

Suspect arrested is a 39-year-old father of four from Uzbekistan who posted jihadist propaganda according to this article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/07/truck-crashes-crowd-people-stockholm/.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Let's not jump to conclusions about the motive though, for all we know it was road rage.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Uzbekistan is kind of a weird one, and the St. Petersburg guy was from Kyrgyzstan. Might just be anecdotal, but the more northern -stans generally seem too agrarian and isolated from the world for their people to be involved in radicalization. But maybe it's just because I know jack all about that part of the world.

Of course, if they both left their home countries at a young age, it's kind of a moot point.

 

[mxnerd]

Minority Report tech needed, fast.

 

[Double Trouble]

Suspect arrested is a 39-year-old father of four from Uzbekistan who posted jihadist propaganda according to this article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/07/truck-crashes-crowd-people-stockholm/.

How utterly unsurprising. Watching the BBC trip all over themselves trying not to state the obvious.

 

[woolfe9998]

How utterly unsurprising. Watching the BBC trip all over themselves trying not to state the obvious.

What exactly should the BBC have said back when no one knew the identity of the perp?

 

[Double Trouble]

What exactly should the BBC have said back when no one knew the identity of the perp?

They didn't know the identity, but there were descriptions -- which they didn't want to go into or even mention. Other outlets were reporting on the description, so either BBC is completely incompetent at gathering and reporting news, or they refused to talk about the description based on political sensitivity. Even now they can't say "muslim terrorist", they have to couch it in other terms.

 

[Svnla]

Actually the world headlines came first and I haven't seen ANY mention of "browns" in any of the news articles. You're the only one obsessed in that way.

What? agent fail troll was the only one to pull the race card, again as usual? Color me shock, not. Never a concern about the welfare of the victims. Nope, nada, zip.

From another thread, same ole pathetic agent fail troll, pulled the race card:

You're the one that won't shut up about race. I focus my hate on cultists.

That's what trolls like him do, it is their nature.

 

[momeNt]

One thing to note. It was a baby store which makes it rather untoward. I dare say the act was evil.

Thanks to everybody who looked at this story with the healthy skepticism it deserves. Rushing to conclusions is for the small minded.

 

[IEC]

Intentional:
https://gfycat.com/CheapMistyBufflehead

 

[Jaskalas]

Might just be anecdotal, but the more northern -stans generally seem too agrarian and isolated from the world for their people to be involved in radicalization.

The internet has connected the world. There is little room for isolation.

But it is clear what sort of message, what ideology, is spreading around like a cancer in our modern age. It is a curiosity that no counter action has been devised. If there is a campaign of hatred, it would seem western civilization needs an equal measure to motivate people. The message of Islamic Terrorism, does it have an equal?

Europe may have dropped fascism after WW2, but adopting religion in its place will be no cure to violence.
If people are looking for meaning in life, why is it so hard to find peace? Perhaps the strongest messages are calls to arms.

 

[shortylickens]

What exactly should the BBC have said back when no one knew the identity of the perp?

Thats not the complaint here. The complaint is that the media world-wide is trying desperately to cover up muslims when they do awful things and even go so far as to mince words AFTER we already know it was muslims. The whole point of NEWS is to fucking INFORM people. If all you are gonna do is lie you may as well just post a satire notice at the top of your damn page.

 

[cytg111]

Sweden is one of those countries you wanna pay attention to, there is a potential right wing nuclear bomb waiting to go off there. While in a noble gesture Sweden be in over its head with non conforming immigrants, media and police silencing the issue for too long and when something like this happens.... chances of boom rockets and chances of defusing flattens..

 

[Commodus]

Thats not the complaint here. The complaint is that the media world-wide is trying desperately to cover up muslims when they do awful things and even go so far as to mince words AFTER we already know it was muslims. The whole point of NEWS is to fucking INFORM people. If all you are gonna do is lie you may as well just post a satire notice at the top of your damn page.

When they don't know exactly who did it and why, it's not a "cover up." It's called good journalism -- don't say what you don't know.

And where are the lies here, exactly? I haven't seen any. It seems to me that you're swinging too far in the other direction -- you want the media to shout "MUSLIM TERRORIST" at the drop of a hat, to make the entire religion collectively guilty for the actions of extremists. Good reporting means delving into the specifics, and those are less exciting than slapping someone with a broad label.

Here's a question: would you be comfortable if we used the label "Christian terrorist" every time there's a violent act in the name of the anti-abortion movement, every time someone threatens to blow up a mosque or synagogue, or every time a Trump supporter attacks someone who's even vaguely Middle Eastern-looking? I suspect not -- you'd say that they're not really representative of Christians as a whole, that most Christians are peaceful and that it'd be unfair to tarnish the entire religion for the acts of a few. Gee, sounds familiar...

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I have no issue with someone being called (enter religion here) terrorist/extremist for acts done in the name of their respective relgion.

 

[Jaskalas]

There is value in finding a distinction between a terrorist and the greater population of which they may associate or relate.
It helps diffuse the reach of their propaganda if we don't help teach and spread the idea that terrorist / violence = their religion.
If we take part in empowering a peaceful message, we help fight the spread of terrorism.

 

[Commodus]

I have no issue with someone being called (enter religion here) terrorist/extremist for acts done in the name of their respective religion.

I know what you're getting at, but I'm not sure that's the right way. Lumping extremists in with everyone else increases the temptation to scapegoat the whole religion, to claim that there's a simple answer to a complex question. And there's what Jaskalas said: don't fuel the notion that this is a holy war.

Also, it's relatively easy to say this if you're from a Christian background in a Western country. Let's face it, your privacy, freedom of movement and very survival probably won't be threatened if there are incidents committed in your religion's name. Labeling people as "Christian terrorists" may eventually end the double standard, but you have the luxury of a safety net that a Muslim in your country doesn't have.

 

[woolfe9998]

Thats not the complaint here. The complaint is that the media world-wide is trying desperately to cover up muslims when they do awful things and even go so far as to mince words AFTER we already know it was muslims. The whole point of NEWS is to fucking INFORM people. If all you are gonna do is lie you may as well just post a satire notice at the top of your damn page.

I don't think the media is the issue in this case. That Telegraph article linked above is about the only article you'll find that purports to have any information pertaining to this perp's religion, and the comment is iffy: Some reports suggested he had previously posted jihadist propaganda on his Facebook page and had images of people injured in the explosion at the Boston marathon in April 2013." This information may not be solid enough for other news outlets.

Apart from that, I've looked around at about 15 articles and there is nothing anywhere except country of origin and gender. With other terrorist attacks, we generally know more at this point. With the Orlando shooting, we knew the guy was a Muslim within hours of the attack. I think the Swedish authorities aren't releasing information to the press.

 

[1prophet]

I know what you're getting at, but I'm not sure that's the right way. Lumping extremists in with everyone else increases the temptation to scapegoat the whole religion, to claim that there's a simple answer to a complex question. And there's what Jaskalas said: don't fuel the notion that this is a holy war.

Also, it's relatively easy to say this if you're from a Christian background in a Western country. Let's face it, your privacy, freedom of movement and very survival probably won't be threatened if there are incidents committed in your religion's name. Labeling people as "Christian terrorists" may eventually end the double standard, but you have the luxury of a safety net that a Muslim in your country doesn't have.

That's because you are falling to the same error many do, portraying it as Christianity vs Islam when in actuality it is Secularism vs Islam,

The real problem Islamists have with the west is the ideology which is also their greatest fear, secularization, separation of religion from state, women's rights, gay rights, freedom of speech, right to choose ones religion or to have no religion without fearing reprisal, right to choose whom to marry, right for women to wear what they want, etc.

Yet time and time again the so called liberal establishment who have no problem holding "Christians" to these standards perform some of the most twisted mental gymnastics to apologize for Muslims violating these same standards.

Telling a women she can't get a divorce from her wife-beating husband because it is his right to beat her because of his religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlZNZpdmfU

It's not OK to kill gays, unless you are a Muslim

FURIOUS Dutch MPs have demanded an immediate public inquiry after a government-backed watchdog said it was acceptable for Muslims to send gay people death threats.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739275/Dutch-watchdog-OK-send-gay-people-death-threats-Muslim

According to Dutch media advisors from the anti-discrimination bureau MiND said that, while homophobic abuse was usually a crime, it was justifiable if you were Muslim due to laws on freedom of religious expression.

They argued that the Koran says it is acceptable to kill people for being homosexual, and so death threats towards gay people from Muslims could not be discriminatory.

In a jaw-dropping email explaining why they could not take up the complaint, they wrote: “The remarks must be seen in the context of religious beliefs in Islam, which juridically takes away the insulting character."

Telling women that they have right to wear what they want like any male except when those males are Muslim refugees.

A school in Bavaria has sent a letter home to parents warning them not to let their daughters wear revealing blouses or short skirts, because emergency accommodation for refugees has been set up next to the gym.
https://www.thelocal.de/20150626/refugee-school-calls-for-uniform-modesty
Back to blaming women for what they wear


The letter goes on to give students instructions on how to deal with the situation:

"The Syrian citizens are mainly Muslims and speak Arabic. The refugees are marked by their own culture. Because our school is directly next to where they are staying, modest clothing should be adhered to, in order to avoid discrepancies. Revealing tops or blouses, short shorts or miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings."

The letter has not been met favourably by some parents, but a local politician, who did not want to be named, told Die Welt the move was "absolutely necessary".

"When Muslim teenage boys go to open air swimming pools, they are overwhelmed when they see girls in bikinis," he said.[/quote]

The Mayor of Cologne said today that women should adopt a “code of conduct” to prevent future assault at a crisis meeting following the sexual attack of women by 1000 men on New Year’s eve.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nduct-to-prevent-future-assault-a6798186.html


Moroccans beat 2 gay men holding hands, Dutch response is let's hold hands, they might as well sing Kumbaya while they are at it.

http://www.westmonster.com/gay-couple-viciously-attacked-by-moroccan-youths/

You want to bring right wing Trump type politicians into power, just keep playing the apologist liberal and it will be so.

 

[Commodus]

That's because you are falling to the same error many do, portraying it as Christianity vs Islam when in actuality it is Secularism vs Islam,

The real problem Islamists have with the west is the ideology which is also their greatest fear, secularization, separation of religion from state, women's rights, gay rights, freedom of speech, right to choose ones religion or to have no religion without fearing reprisal, right to choose whom to marry, right for women to wear what they want, etc.

Yet time and time again the so called liberal establishment who have no problem holding "Christians" to these standards perform some of the most twisted mental gymnastics to apologize for Muslims violating these same standards.

Telling a women she can't get a divorce from her wife-beating husband because it is his right to beat her because of his religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlZNZpdmfU

It's not OK to kill gays, unless you are a Muslim

FURIOUS Dutch MPs have demanded an immediate public inquiry after a government-backed watchdog said it was acceptable for Muslims to send gay people death threats.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739275/Dutch-watchdog-OK-send-gay-people-death-threats-Muslim


Telling women that they have right to wear what they want like any male except when those males are Muslim refugees.

A school in Bavaria has sent a letter home to parents warning them not to let their daughters wear revealing blouses or short skirts, because emergency accommodation for refugees has been set up next to the gym.
https://www.thelocal.de/20150626/refugee-school-calls-for-uniform-modesty
Back to blaming women for what they wear


The letter goes on to give students instructions on how to deal with the situation:

"The Syrian citizens are mainly Muslims and speak Arabic. The refugees are marked by their own culture. Because our school is directly next to where they are staying, modest clothing should be adhered to, in order to avoid discrepancies. Revealing tops or blouses, short shorts or miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings."

The letter has not been met favourably by some parents, but a local politician, who did not want to be named, told Die Welt the move was "absolutely necessary".

"When Muslim teenage boys go to open air swimming pools, they are overwhelmed when they see girls in bikinis," he said.

The Mayor of Cologne said today that women should adopt a “code of conduct” to prevent future assault at a crisis meeting following the sexual attack of women by 1000 men on New Year’s eve.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nduct-to-prevent-future-assault-a6798186.html


Moroccans beat 2 gay men holding hands, Dutch response is let's hold hands, they might as well sing Kumbaya while they are at it.

http://www.westmonster.com/gay-couple-viciously-attacked-by-moroccan-youths/

You want to bring right wing Trump type politicians into power, just keep playing the apologist liberal and it will be so.

I like how you rush to presume how every liberal on Earth thinks while hand-picking and distorting examples to suit your case.

Here's what I and many others actually think: people should have the right to dress how they like, whether it's revealing or conservative. LGBT people should have equal rights regardless of the country's majority religion. No, oppression in Muslim countries is not okay.

But there's a difference between arguing for more rights for a culture and outright disrespecting its culture. In the case of that Bavarian school, it's clear that they were trying to offer a basic amount of respect to the new wave of Muslim refugees. That doesn't mean that they were necessarily doing the right thing, but I don't see this as some kind of eeeeevil double standard, either. The Cologne response I kind of have an issue with, although it's more complicated than you make it out to be... I don't think the mayor was trying to blame German women for their attacks.

And what, exactly, is wrong with the Dutch holding hands in solidarity? What is the Netherlands supposed to do, ban Moroccan immigration because of what a few kids did? Implement a cowardly Muslim ban like Trump tried? No. You condemn homophobia, prosecute the perpetrators and encourage acceptance across the board... you do not blame entire religions or countries.

 

[agent00f]

Actually the world headlines came first and I haven't seen ANY mention of "browns" in any of the news articles. You're the only one obsessed in that way.

Worth gloating a bit when observation turns into prescience, per numerous exhibits above. Also just fyi not a good sign when these types are all on your side:

What? agent fail troll was the only one to pull the race card, again as usual? Color me shock, not. Never a concern about the welfare of the victims. Nope, nada, zip.

From another thread, same ole pathetic agent fail troll, pulled the race card:

That's what trolls like him do, it is their nature.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Good news everyone! The website dedicated to logging all moslem attacks worldwide has not attributed this attack to moslems (yet)!

In the last 30 days:

there were 143 Islamic attacks in 22 countries, in which 1064 people were killed and 1214 injured.

This one isn't listed, though, so lay off the hate! Not all moslems!

 

[disappoint]

These threads serves as pretty good demonstration of how fast white nationalists jump on any potential brown does something untoward bandwagon.

 

[Blue_Max]

That's because you are falling to the same error many do, portraying it as Christianity vs Islam when in actuality it is Secularism vs Islam,

I'd say this is a "why not both" scenario. I see no one has mentioned the several Christian churches bombed in the last 24 hours on a holy day with high church attendance.
Targeted attack.
Specific.

I wonder how the progressives will wave it away?