[VC]NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980, GTX 980 SLI, GTX 970, 3DMark performance

[hawtdawg]

It won't be clocked that high. They'll clock it so that it performs right between the 780 and 780Ti at first and so they can also claim a really low TDP. It will probably catch up with drivers, and it will probably overclock a bit better if the 750 is any indication, but they'll probably wait until the 780 Ti is discontinued before that happens. Also, the 780Ti will likely be better for higher resolutions either way.

I think they're playing the same game as AMD here. By not giving it a "Ti" designation, we should not expect it to be their best GPU. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 980 Ti at somepoint though, as this one is rumored to have around 2560 cuda cores. I just don't see why they would undercut their best card, when it's still selling and AMD has not dethroned it. I won't be ditching my 780's until someone releases a single GPU card that is comparable in performance.

 

[Gikaseixas]

If this is true:

580 GTX to 680 GTX was great
780 TI to 980 GTX no so great

but, it's too soon to judge, this is just a leak and it's not worth all the bickering going around. I say let's wait a bit more and give our opinions based on official data. Fanboyism much? (both sides of the fence)

 

[3DVagabond]

If this is true:

580 GTX to 680 GTX was great
780 TI to 980 GTX no so great

but, it's too soon to judge, this is just a leak and it's not worth all the bickering going around. I say let's wait a bit more and give our opinions based on official data. Fanboyism much? (both sides of the fence)

The 680 also had the advantage of a shrink. The 980 doesn't. If performance is just what it's claimed to be I think that's quite good. Just not the name and price. That's pretty typical these days though. The IHV's have to spin things a bit to keep interest with the manufacturing tech not advancing very quickly.

 

[Atreidin]

I'll take four please.

Will it even be capable of quad-SLI?

 

[Atreidin]

If this is true:

580 GTX to 680 GTX was great
780 TI to 980 GTX no so great

but, it's too soon to judge, this is just a leak and it's not worth all the bickering going around. I say let's wait a bit more and give our opinions based on official data. Fanboyism much? (both sides of the fence)

If these benchmarks are indicative of actual gaming performance, then given the massive complaints about the 680 being "midrange" while still being significantly faster than the 580, I can only imagine the same people will have their heads explode this time around.

 

[alcoholbob]

780TI SLI generally performs around 6-8% faster than R9 295X2 on the Firestrike test, so if the GTX 980 SLI is 1.5% slower than R9 295X2, then this card isn't well suited for multi-GPU.

 

[boxleitnerb]

780TI SLI generally performs around 6-8% faster than R9 295X2 in SLI on the Firestrike test, so if the GTX 980 SLI is 1.5% slower, then this card isn't well suited for multi-GPU.

CPU bottleneck approaching, temperature throttling due to bad case ventilation? It makes no sense that the GPU scales well in SLI in mobile but not on desktop cards.
Videocardz has no clue as usual about the reasons why this could happen. Especially in these theoretical tests, scaling usually is excellent.

If the card uses 160-170W as suggested by chiphell, that is 80W less than the 780 Ti at roughly the same performance. That is 50% better perf/W, an excellent result for a GK104 successor.
Or compared to the GTX 680 it would be about the same power for 75% higher GPU score, again excellent. How this translates into gaming remains to be seen but I expect a massive perf/W increase with GM204 across the board.
If (and I stress if) that characteristic is the same with GM200, it could be up to 50% faster than the GTX 780 Ti although I expect 30-40% just to be conservative.

 

[sontin]

The 680 also had the advantage of a shrink. The 980 doesn't. If performance is just what it's claimed to be I think that's quite good. Just not the name and price. That's pretty typical these days though. The IHV's have to spin things a bit to keep interest with the manufacturing tech not advancing very quickly.

What's the problem with the name and the price?!
It's will be faster than a GTX780 while using less power and will be sold at the same MSRP...

 

[boxleitnerb]

But the performance increase would be quite small. The GTX 780 was released about 1.5 years ago. One would expect a bit more than ~30% in that time frame.

 

[3DVagabond]

What's the problem with the name and the price?!
It's will be faster than a GTX780 while using less power and will be sold at the same MSRP...

It's a midrange chip sold for what should be a top model price. If you are happy with that, that's fine. I know better though and I'm not going to turn a blind eye. Besides, we haven't seen for sure what it is or isn't faster than. If it ends up not faster, or enough faster to make a difference in actual gamepley, what difference does a few % one way or the other make?

What it appears they have been able to do with a smaller chip is good. What they want to charge for it isn't, and them naming it 980 doesn't change that.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Looks like GTX 980 is 10-15% faster than GTX 780 Ti and it will probably sell for the rumored $500.
It will be cheaper, faster and much less heat output. Not too shabby and it will be very tempting for many people. GTX 780 Ti owners however most likely will want to wait.

Mobile graphic cards are the ones getting the best out of it.
GTX 980M is like 60% faster than GTX 880M but that is because of the huge power draw reduction that comes from a new architecture.

For people looking for this sort of an upgrade for desktop, you will have to wait til GM200 is here. Its the only way they can put that amount of cores on a chip. GM204 is just too small.

 

[Keysplayr]

I think this needed to happen. What I mean is doing more with less. Both companies have relied on die shrinks for next gen performance gains. I like seeing innovation like this. Less shaders, less bandwidth, much less power consumption and higher performance on the same 28nm node. Whether you like the cards price or not is one thing, but the technological accomplishment, I feel, is major. Look out when 20nm or 16nm hits.

 

[DooKey]

As a new part that is weak.

Yep, TSMC sucks. If they could execute a process shrink then this part would be awesome.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yep, TSMC sucks. If they could execute a process shrink then this part would be awesome.

Process shrinks are getting harder and harder -- just ask Intel with 14-nanometer.

 

[DooKey]

Process shrinks are getting harder and harder -- just ask Intel with 14-nanometer.

Very true. Just want to place blame where it belongs. Maxwell is an outstanding piece of engineering that's held back by the process currently available. 28nm is tapped out.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

What happened to the 800-series?

AMD skipped the 8000s too. Is there some negative association with the number 8 I missed?

 

[Genx87]

If the power consumption rumors are correct. This is a leap forward in perf\watt. End result in games may be minimal over the 780 series however. Excited to finally see what this arch can do on a smaller node.

 

[Attic]

Can we expect actual reviews by next week?

 

[sontin]

It's a midrange chip sold for what should be a top model price. If you are happy with that, that's fine. I know better though and I'm not going to turn a blind eye. Besides, we haven't seen for sure what it is or isn't faster than. If it ends up not faster, or enough faster to make a difference in actual gamepley, what difference does a few % one way or the other make?

What it appears they have been able to do with a smaller chip is good. What they want to charge for it isn't, and them naming it 980 doesn't change that.

You know that this happens when the competition doesn't show up?
Like Titan, for example.

 

[tviceman]

10% faster ? With the 780t running at boost clocks the 980 is a bit slower or are you basing that on the 780ti running at the base clock ?

Do you really think the 780 TI used for that benchmark and graph is running below boost clock speeds? They're locking down the boost? Really??? No, it isn't. No one benches that way, ever. 98% sure the graph is listing the base speeds and not listing the boost speeds. So according to that graph, a stock GTX 980 will be about 10% faster than a stock 780 TI.

Heck, my 780tis boost to 1200 out of the box.

And your 780 TI's cost over $800 a piece. So, based on your logic, $225 less, 150m^2 smaller die size, and 75 less watts of power draw with the same tangible performance as your card is weak. Ok, got it.

Like I said, if this card had some other arbitrary naming scheme, like GTX Z87, then there would no absolutely no room for complaints.

 

[Borealis7]

Can we expect actual reviews by next week?

maybe come October.

 

[Keysplayr]

Do you really think the 780 TI used for that benchmark and graph is running below boost clock speeds? They're locking down the boost? Really??? No, it isn't. No one benches that way, ever. 98% sure the graph is listing the base speeds and not listing the boost speeds. So according to that graph, a stock GTX 980 will be about 10% faster than a stock 780 TI.



And your 780 TI's cost over $800 a piece. So, based on your logic, $225 less, 150m^2 smaller die size, and 75 less watts of power draw with the same tangible performance as your card is weak. Ok, got it.

Like I said, if this card had some other arbitrary naming scheme, like GTX Z87, then there would no absolutely no room for complaints.

I can't get this Joan Jett and the Blackhearts tune out of my head.

Anyway I completely agree with all you said here. GTX980 is anything but weak. Mark my words. Groover will own two if not three of these not long after launch.

 

[Zanovar]

haha indeed.

 

[AtenRa]

Mark my words. Groover will own two if not three of these not long after launch.

For 1600P and AA Filters ??? I highly doubt it could even come close to GTX780.

 

[Keysplayr]

For 1600P and AA Filters ??? I highly doubt it could even come close to GTX780.

Noted.