[VC]NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980, GTX 980 SLI, GTX 970, 3DMark performance

[Saylick]

I think the huge price difference between 970 and 980 is because 980 use Titan cooler (see the photo above) while 970 is more down to reference GTX 680 cheap plasticy designs.
So the cooler and the card on the 980 cost more to make. Plus the performance of 980 is 20%+ above GTX 970.

So yeah, the prices seems legit if you compare them like that.
970 might be the best bang for the bucks

The prices above is japanese prices though, so the cards might be cheaper in US. So keep that in mind

If the picture above is true, then the 980 does not use the Titan cooler. The cooler shown above is actually the 670 cooler, which leads me to think that the 980 is cheaper than it is suggested.

If the 980 has close to 2000 shaders, with an IPC increase of 35%, that gives it the equivalent of around 2600 shaders. Even with a small clock speed increase, that puts the card at around 780 Ti territory or about +15% at most if you want to be optimistic. I'm thinking the 980 is $600 tops.

 

[Silverforce11]

Or AMD should grow up and bring better products to the market instead of paying people to "crush" the party of another company.

nVidia's prices are a result of the current market situation.

Are you suggesting tviceman, SirPauly or Paul98 (among others) are being paid by AMD to lament at the fact that discrete GPU prices are getting insane?

Serious?

 

[96Firebird]

Are you suggesting tviceman, SirPauly or Paul98 (among others) are being paid by AMD to lament at the fact that discrete GPU prices are getting insane?

Serious?

I think he is referring to this.

Saylick, I'm gonna need a bigger picture. Can't quite make out the individual atoms in that one.

 

[Paul98]

AMD doesn't force people to pay those prices for NV cards or their cards.

 

[Saylick]

I think he is referring to this.

Saylick, I'm gonna need a bigger picture. Can't quite make out the individual atoms in that one.

Haha, my bad. I was in a hurry to get out of the house and Anandtech's photo was the first one I found. Gotta make my point known, ya know?

 

[Kenmitch]

According to Hermitage Akihabara (very reliable):

Price of GTX 980 is $700 - $840
Price of GTX 970 is $470 - $559
Announcement is September 19th with sales starting immediately the day after.
GTX 960 will be released in mid to late October


http://www.gdm.or.jp/voices/2014/0913/85556

Ouch....If true.

 

[96Firebird]

AMD doesn't force people to pay those prices for NV cards or their cards.

Nobody forces anyone to pay a certain price for a card.

So now we have rumored prices for the 980 that range from $499 to $840, all from "reliable sources". I think its quite obvious we should hold judgment until the official MSRP is announced...

 

[Cloudfire777]

Here are prices from Netherlands:

MSI GTX 980 4GB: €640
http://nl.hardware.info/productinfo/251071/msi-geforce-gtx-980-gaming-4gb

MSI GTX 970 4GB: €430
http://nl.hardware.info/productinfo/251072/msi-geforce-gtx-970-gaming-4gb

The prices earlier was from Japan. European prices are usually more closer to US.
I'd say GTX 980 will cost $599 and GTX 970 $399.

 

[Keysplayr]

Are you suggesting tviceman, SirPauly or Paul98 (among others) are being paid by AMD to lament at the fact that discrete GPU prices are getting insane?

Serious?

He didn't suggest anything anywhere near what you just said here. Is that what it sounded like to you? Or, is that what it seemed he was implying, to you?
I understood that read to say that the energy AMD is spending on people to crash a competitor's event might be better spent improving their products?
That is what I got out of it.

 

[ShintaiDK]

With 21% VAT in .nl 399 for the 970 and 599 for the 980 sounds right if we remember its prelease prices.

 

[tviceman]

If its faster than the 780ti why should NV price it LESS than the 780ti? Afterall, it uses less power, its a better product if it has better performance.

If it's = 780ti and they priced it at $499, it's EXTREMELY generous and something NV hasn't done for many generations now (the last awesome deal from them, was my 8800GT, I liked it so much I got 4 for my rigs!).

Well the 8800GT was the best deal out of Nvidia in probably Nvidia's entire existence, but the GTX 680 at release was highly attractive being cheaper and faster than the current fastest card on the market.

Anyways. why would Nvidia want to price it competitively? Considering that Nvidia has lost market share recently, AMD is heavily subsidizing/promoting their current lineup, and that Nvidia should have significant reasons to keep AMD's marketshare down (if AMD were to gain close to market share parity in PC discrete GPU's, AMD would command 100% of all development platforms and that would have seriously negative implications with Nvidia) Nvidia needs to factor all these situations into the mix. Prices are starting to creep up to the point where people are going to eventually eschew their brand preference and get the best deal, period. Nvidia can't ride on the coattails of their name forever, especially in the face of a much more aggressive AMD these days.

 

[tviceman]

Here are prices from Netherlands:

MSI GTX 980 4GB: €640
http://nl.hardware.info/productinfo/251071/msi-geforce-gtx-980-gaming-4gb

MSI GTX 970 4GB: €430
http://nl.hardware.info/productinfo/251072/msi-geforce-gtx-970-gaming-4gb

The prices earlier was from Japan. European prices are usually more closer to US.
I'd say GTX 980 will cost $599 and GTX 970 $399.

Sounds like too much of a gap for to me. The gap between the 780 and 770 was more justifiable because the 780 had more vram and better overclocking potential than the 770.

 

[sao123]

According to Hermitage Akihabara (very reliable):

Price of GTX 980 is $700 - $840
Price of GTX 970 is $470 - $559
Announcement is September 19th with sales starting immediately the day after.
GTX 960 will be released in mid to late October


http://www.gdm.or.jp/voices/2014/0913/85556

Don't see how this is going to accurate... wasn't the original NV announcement both FASTER and CHEAPER than GTX 780?

 

[Fastx]

..

But selling your hardware sooner than later can pay off.. The GTX 770 4GB still sells for almost 400 dollars brand new. I reckon I could get 300 each for mine as they are in good condition, if I sell them soon that is..

I sold my MSI GTX 770 2GB for $289.00 w/shipping on 6-24-14 as a Buy It Now within a few days of listing it. The thing is there is a price cut coming I read on these cards, so I'd list them asap on e-bay before the price cut.

MY MSI GTX 770 2GB Gaming Card
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-GTX-770...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

[Termie]

Everyone who is shocked at the $200 price difference between the 970 and 980 should consider that the 780 and 780 ti are that far apart, and the 780 ti still sells quite well.

I'm sure Nvidia took that into consideration. The delta in performance will likely be similar.

I predict that when all of this is over, people on this board will be more than happy with the 970/980 and that they'll be buying plenty of them. You're looking at 780+ performance for $400 and 780 Ti+ performance for $600, along with a 25% reduction in power use (based on TDP) and smaller board sizes. 9.5" cards that outrun a 290 would be great in my book.

 

[SlickR12345]

If the 980 is seriously $700 dollars and neck and neck with the 780ti with just lower power consumption its going to be the biggest garbage released ever in the history of hardware.

I mean $700 garbage that is the same speed as a 3 years old card, that is a major scam in my book.

Nvidia are really insane with the pricing, I hope no one buys that piece of garbage.

 

[Grooveriding]

If the 980 is seriously $700 dollars and neck and neck with the 780ti with just lower power consumption its going to be the biggest garbage released ever in the history of hardware.

I mean $700 garbage that is the same speed as a 3 years old card, that is a major scam in my book.

Nvidia are really insane with the pricing, I hope no one buys that piece of garbage.

Going on the leaks that seem most reasonable and from rational sources, my thought is 980 will be +10% over a 780ti @ 1080p for $650 USD, slower or equal at higher resolutions than that.

I think it's pretty much certain performance will be disappointing compared to a 780ti. Same process, smaller die, less memory bandwidth. The only improvements coming in perf/w of Maxwell.

It will be a popular card if you're not on a GK110 or Hawaii based card which a lot of people are not.

 

[Atreidin]

Going on the leaks that seem most reasonable and from rational sources, my thought is 980 will be +10% over a 780ti @ 1080p for $650 USD, slower or equal at higher resolutions than that.

I think it's pretty much certain performance will be disappointing compared to a 780ti. Same process, smaller die, less memory bandwidth. The only improvements coming in perf/w of Maxwell.

It will be a popular card if you're not on a GK110 or Hawaii based card which a lot of people are not.

Those cards have been out for so long now, how many people are left to milk for that much cash for what's basically the same performance level? Yes there's people who will buy anything new and shiny, or something even 1% faster, but the market for gamers willing to pay that much for a video card already isn't that big to begin with. Maybe we'll see prices fall quickly after the first adopters are milked dry.

 

[exar333]

So we have to wait for the 980Ti now, for a true upgrade?

 

[DooKey]

So we have to wait for the 980Ti now, for a true upgrade?

Yep, thank TSMC.

 

[DooKey]

If the 980 is seriously $700 dollars and neck and neck with the 780ti with just lower power consumption its going to be the biggest garbage released ever in the history of hardware.

I mean $700 garbage that is the same speed as a 3 years old card, that is a major scam in my book.

Nvidia are really insane with the pricing, I hope no one buys that piece of garbage.

Thank TSMC.

 

[Skurge]

Yes, as I said.

About U$450 and U$650. Not sure why you guys are surprised. It's replacing 780Ti and 780.

 

[3DVagabond]

If people continue to be willing to pay these stupid prices they will continue to charge them.

People need to say no, stop paying these prices and force them to drop the price.

^^^THIS^^^

...and it wouldn't take long for them to get the message. I would assume many early adopters are enthusiasts who read forums etc... If in the first few days (a week or two?) of release sales were markedly below expectations, they would cut prices. People are lemmings though.

Or AMD should grow up and bring better products to the market instead of paying people to "crush" the party of another company.

nVidia's prices are a result of the current market situation.

Sorry, but this attitude gets people what they deserve... People still have the choice of simply saying no. But in the 21st century it's always someone else's fault. Never the person who committed the act itself. "There's a sucker born every minute" as the saying goes.

 

[sontin]

What? A (custom) GTX970 for $449 will be a better buy than a $449+ 290X:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&Pagesize=20

Sorry, but this attitude gets people what they deserve... People still have the choice of simply saying no. But in the 21st century it's always someone else's fault. Never the person who committed the act itself. "There's a sucker born every minute" as the saying goes.

nVidia is getting away with it because the competition doesnt show up. So the first step is to say "no" to the part of the market which cant compete on a time shedule.

 

[AtenRa]

Yes, as I said.

About U$450 and U$650. Not sure why you guys are surprised. It's replacing 780Ti and 780.

I have only seen the GTX770 having a price cut, not 780Ti.

If GTX-770 is at $275 and GTX-970 is at $450 then there is a huge price gap, and then another one from $450 to $650.

I see GTX-980 at $500-550 the most.