[VC]NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980, GTX 980 SLI, GTX 970, 3DMark performance

[3DVagabond]

Not to add to the rumor-mongering, but it would make perfect sense for Nvidia to price the 970 at $400 and the 980 at $600, hurt feelings and unexpected price deltas aside.

At $400, the 970 will likely beat the R9 290. That's all it needs to do in that price range to capture market share.

At $600, the 980 will likely beat the 780 Ti. That's all it needs to do to advance price/performance and attract buyers.

Remember, AMD has no response at this point, so why should Nvidia lower its margins for no reason? It's a business, after all.

The 290 is already @ $370 and the 290X @ $470 and have been lower than that at times. nVidia has been worse than AMD perf/$ all along. Depending on final performance but these seem to just get nVidia in line with Hawaii perf/$.

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/compare/gigabyte-video-card-gvr929oc4gd,xfx-video-card-r9290xedfd/

Are you serious?
Help them compete with AMDs offerings? They already not only compete, Nvidia dominates. At the prices you listed, Nvidia would be priced better than all of AMDs current comparable offerings (290(x), 285).

Nvidia already has 60+% of the market, with higher pricing. What would happen if they priced their cards better than AMDs? People claim this and that about how bad it would be if there was only one company left but they never really think when they bash nvidias pricing. If i see Nvidia lowering prices to undercut AMD, I think this will equal more sales. Its just not something good for AMD.

I guess i shouldnt care much about how things turn out. But just so you know, Maxwell will probably have an effect on the performance and prices of Nvidia mid to high end. Its gonna move the bar. I am pretty sure of that

How many people are willing to spend more for less or no more performance isn't the point. The fact that perf/$ nVidia is below AMD really can't be disputed. If you think it's worth it, that's OK. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you.

The 980 SLI is likely suffering from bandwidth problems.

SLI wouldn't suffer any more than a single card.

 

[SirPauly]

Even though AMD is strong competition, imho, nVidia also competes with itself and has to offer compelling reasons for their customer base to upgrade as well. nVidia lost some desktop share last quarter and nVidia may price them a bit more aggressively ---- retain technology and performance leadership -- gain share - continue to have impressive margins.

 

[nvgpu]

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2734193

Graphics Score 11312

Faster than 290X at a fraction of the power consumption.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2736489

Graphics Score 25300

Faster than any 780 Ti SLI or 295X2.

 

[PPB]

At this point, is it known GM204's die size?

 

[SirPauly]

Personally appreciate nVidia's strengths but usually buy when nVidia offers more or comparable price/performance to their competitors. For example: When the GTX 670 offered strong price/performance -- like to see something similar with the GTX 970 and offer compelling reasons to upgrade!

 

[Fastx]

Okay. so this is rumor extravaganza in its biggest form. but word on the street is that the GTX 980 will perform much better then everybody anticipates. That should get AMD worries, so this new rumor just popped onto the mighty interwebs, AMD would be preparing Radeon R9 390X graphics card. And the 'leaker' isn't a small one, it is Asetek who provides the liquid cooling for this product who spilled the beans.[/b]

Hope it is true on the 980 performance.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-to-release-r9-390x-to-fight-geforce-gtx-980.html

 

[Jumpem]

AMD doesn't have G-Sync, so it's already out of the race.

 

[jpiniero]

Hope it is true on the 980 performance.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-to-release-r9-390x-to-fight-geforce-gtx-980.html

I suppose if the 970/980 ended up clocking better than they expected, they could let the OEMs sell OC models as default?

 

[Fastx]

I suppose if the 970/980 ended up clocking better than they expected, they could let the OEMs sell OC models as default?

The one post I posted in this thread yesterday is claiming 30% over a 780Ti at a Ghz and would assume of course a Ghz is the stock reference clock. I also read another site a day or two ago also say stock 30% over a 780Ti but that site I take with salt. I am not saying I believe these sites of course but does raise my interest when I read them lately on performance on stock reference clocks.

 

[Carfax83]

I have no complaints about my GTX 770 4GB SLI cards' performance, but I'm wondering if I should buy a pair of GTX 970s when they become available and sell my current cards while I can still get a good price for them.

I don't anticipate having any difficulty running upcoming games like Dragon Age Inquisition, Ryse son of Rome and the Witcher 3 at very high IQ on my current set up..

But selling your hardware sooner than later can pay off.. The GTX 770 4GB still sells for almost 400 dollars brand new. I reckon I could get 300 each for mine as they are in good condition, if I sell them soon that is..

 

[MathMan]

But selling your hardware sooner than later can pay off.. The GTX 770 4GB still sells for almost 400 dollars brand new. I reckon I could get 300 each for mine as they are in good condition, if I sell them soon that is..

I kinda doubt it, but if you really think you can still get $300 for your GTX770 4GB, I'd sell them *now*. The GTX970 should be quite a bit faster no matter what.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

$300 per card is a bit optimistic imo, but who knows.

 

[Cloudfire777]

According to Hermitage Akihabara (very reliable):

Price of GTX 980 is $700 - $840
Price of GTX 970 is $470 - $559
Announcement is September 19th with sales starting immediately the day after.
GTX 960 will be released in mid to late October


http://www.gdm.or.jp/voices/2014/0913/85556

 

[Cloudfire777]

Here is a little teaser

 

[iiiankiii]

According to Hermitage Akihabara (very reliable):

Price of GTX 980 is $700 - $840
Price of GTX 970 is $470 - $559
Announcement is September 19th with sales starting immediately the day after.
GTX 960 will be released in mid to late October


http://www.gdm.or.jp/voices/2014/0913/85556

Lol. Hahahahhaha. That pricing is ridiculous if true. That 980 better be way faster than the 780ti be at least 30% if that is the pricing. Can it be true that they've just raised the price of their mid range card from 500 to 700? Oh man. That freaking sucks big time for all of us.

 

[Cloudfire777]

I think the huge price difference between 970 and 980 is because 980 use Titan cooler (see the photo above) while 970 is more down to reference GTX 680 cheap plasticy designs.
So the cooler and the card on the 980 cost more to make. Plus the performance of 980 is 20%+ above GTX 970.

So yeah, the prices seems legit if you compare them like that.
970 might be the best bang for the bucks

The prices above is japanese prices though, so the cards might be cheaper in US. So keep that in mind

 

[tviceman]

Here is my performance / pricing expectations for GTX 980.

$499 - 10% faster than 780 TI
$549 - 20% faster than 780 TI
$599 - >25% faster than 780 TI

If it's priced above those guidelines, I don't think it will be a particularly big mover. I hope Nvidia is hungry to capture back the recent market share lost and get more volume moving.

 

[sontin]

Here is a little teaser

Where did you get the picture?

 

[Silverforce11]

Here is my performance / pricing expectations for GTX 980.

$499 - 10% faster than 780 TI
$549 - 20% faster than 780 TI
$599 - >25% faster than 780 TI

If it's priced above those guidelines, I don't think it will be a particularly big mover. I hope Nvidia is hungry to capture back the recent market share lost and get more volume moving.

If its faster than the 780ti why should NV price it LESS than the 780ti? Afterall, it uses less power, its a better product if it has better performance.

If it's = 780ti and they priced it at $499, it's EXTREMELY generous and something NV hasn't done for many generations now (the last awesome deal from them, was my 8800GT, I liked it so much I got 4 for my rigs!).

 

[SirPauly]

According to Hermitage Akihabara (very reliable):

Price of GTX 980 is $700 - $840
Price of GTX 970 is $470 - $559
Announcement is September 19th with sales starting immediately the day after.
GTX 960 will be released in mid to late October


http://www.gdm.or.jp/voices/2014/0913/85556

I'll pass and if true-- discrete pricing is getting out-of-control -- and plays in the hands of Intel dominating share - as they improve their GPU technologies moving forward!

 

[Paul98]

If people continue to be willing to pay these stupid prices they will continue to charge them.

People need to say no, stop paying these prices and force them to drop the price.

 

[sontin]

Or AMD should grow up and bring better products to the market instead of paying people to "crush" the party of another company.

nVidia's prices are a result of the current market situation.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Where did you get the picture?

The internet. Could be fake of course

 

[Flapdrol1337]

The 290X is $500, if the 970 performs similar there's no way nvidia will price it lower, especially at launch, when everything sells anyway.

 

[Carfax83]

I kinda doubt it, but if you really think you can still get $300 for your GTX770 4GB, I'd sell them *now*. The GTX970 should be quite a bit faster no matter what.

I don't know why you guys think that $300 each is optimistic for two GTX 770 4GB cards that are in excellent condition and come with the boxes and accessories..

I just checked eBay and $300 is actually a bit lower than what used 4GB models are currently going for. The 4GB cards have held their value really well, because everyone knows that 2GB just won't cut it for these new generation of games coming up..

Anyway, I wouldn't pay no more than 500 bucks each for a couple of GTX 970s depending on their performance. The only thing about the GTX 770 was that it was slightly bandwidth starved. Overclocking the memory yielded greater performance gains than overclocking the core.

The GTX 970 supposedly has the same or similar bandwidth as the GTX 770, but the GTX 970 should have a much bigger cache and more efficient architecture and use of memory.....or so I think.