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[VC] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Specifications Leaked, Faster than RX 480

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Choice is good though, if they can get the 3GB going for cheap, some gamers may be fine with turning down texture quality settings in games.
 

Keysplayr

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Choice is good though, if they can get the 3GB going for cheap, some gamers may be fine with turning down texture quality settings in games.
Presuming there is a 3GB 1060, and also presuming the 6GB model would be about 40 to 50 bucks more, Id have to go without 1 steak dinner and go for the 6GB.
Id be gaming at 1440 or better, so.. 3GB may be just fine for some at 1080 or other contributing variables that make 3GB a non issue for some.
 
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Presuming there is a 3GB 1060, and also presuming the 6GB model would be about 40 to 50 bucks more, Id have to go without 1 steak dinner and go for the 6GB.
Id be gaming at 1440 or better, so.. 3GB may be just fine for some at 1080 or other contributing variables that make 3GB a non issue for some.
If you put it like that, $50 difference, it's just a night's out... But obviously that's because where you're at in life that $50 isn't much to you.

But in many other countries, $50 USD is a huge chunk of their budget.

This is why the lower vram and cheaper option is a good thing.
 

RussianSensation

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For RS, the only measurement is perf/$. But if everyone thought like that, we would all be driving 4 cylinder 1000cc cars!
Until everyone on this forum has an i7 6700K or faster and GTX1080 SLI or faster, money is a factor. As all of us have access to the entire history of GPUs since 1996+ courtesy of the Internet, we can see that no graphics card that was only 15% faster substantially outlasted the slower card in next gen games*** unless the architecture itself was junk (FX5000 for DX9, GF7 for shader intensive DX9/10, most of Kepler). There is no indication that either the 1060 or the 480 have similar architectural flaws.

That means when comparing 2 graphics cards that are this close in performance, the mainstream/budget gamer should look at price/performance as the #1 factor if all other factors are very close. Why is that? Because the metric itself includes the $$$ saved towards a future GPU upgrade that will net a 50-70% increase in performance.

If we are discussing a new system, then $199 480 4GB + i7 6700K >>> $279 1060 6GB + i5 6600K. This isn't an opinion, but a fact based on i5 2500K/3570K vs. 2600K/3770K today. In 2 years, both the 480 and 1060 are outdated but an i7 6700K forms a better CPU platform over the next 3 years to 2021. Same story for those choosing between an i3 + 1060 and i5 + 480. You provided no logical rebuttal to this point I made other than outright ignoring it.

If we are discussing system upgrades, should he sell his old card for $70-80, it's actually:

$200 - ($70-80) = $120-130 RX 480 upgrade
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$280 - ($70-80) = $200-210 1060 6GB upgrade

All of a sudden it means the extra 15% performance would cost more than 50% more.

So you better believe if 1060 6GB is only 15% faster and costs $279, it will be very hard to recommend. That's as objective as it gets because I know for a fact the $80 will provide a bigger benefit once put towards a 2018-2019 GPU than the measly 15% advantage now. And how do I know that? Because there are almost 2 decades of GPU generations that ALL show this to be true.

And if you are going to argue that some people are willing to pay $80 for "insert another reason", then why aren't they willing to buy a used $350-360 AIB 980Ti that smashes a reference 980 by 40-45%?
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_980_Ti_XtremeGaming/23.html

If you have an emotional attachment to NV, that's not my problem. I will recommend what's best for mainstream/performance gamers under the assumption $$$ is a factor. It's why they are buying $200 mainstream/performance cards not $400 1070.

And in case you are wondering, this goes both ways as I already alluded to the fact that should RX470 4GB have most of the performance of 480, I would recommend that card at $149 even more.

Some of you don't like the idea that some cards in the market are just never a good buy. Sorry to say but it's true and it has nothing to do with NV vs. AMD. Same reason I wouldn't recommend someone buy a $429 390X over a $329 390 or since you only buy NV, then $399 670 over $499 680 example is more appropriate.

It's also pathetic seeing green supporters recommend someone spent $50-70 for what a 15-20% faster card but ignored and did whatever it took to not recommend 280X/380X/290 over a 960!

Oh look, history strikes back:
$250 290 ugnored by you (and others who keep defending 1060) but was > 50% faster than a 960 in the US for only $50 more.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/DIY_Shopping_Lists/USD_800_Build_Guide/3.html

Next time try to come up with a logical response to my post instead of belittling price and price/performance -- given that price is the #1 barrier that keeps the mainstream/performance gamer buying in this category.

I will also fully admit that my 15% performance delta is only a partial picture. If NV AIB's manage to raise that to 25-30% with overclocking and manage a $279 price, it would be a lot more reasonable; but the 1060 would still lose badly on price/performance.
 
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RussianSensation

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If you put it like that, $50 difference, it's just a night's out... But obviously that's because where you're at in life that $50 isn't much to you.

But in many other countries, $50 USD is a huge chunk of their budget.

This is why the lower vram and cheaper option is a good thing.
That's why he CPU bottlenecked his Titan X with a 2500K, and didn't have an extra $100 to spend 5.5 years ago on a January 2011 2600K? $50 over 2 years doesn't matter but saving $100 over 5 years was a big deal at the cost of a CPU bottleneck in some games? Also, what if 1060 6GB is $279-299 not $249? We'll see. I hope 1060 6B is $249 because that way PC gamers will have 2 solid choices with $199 480 4GB and $249 1060.
 

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Wow dude, LOL, once again the only measurement in your whole wall of text.....nothing about feature set, cross-platform integration, AIB providers and support etc...
Perf/$ isnt my #1 priority. With the amount of purchases we hear of in the forums, I dont think its everyone elses either.
 

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That's why he CPU bottlenecked his Titan X with a 2500K, and didn't have an extra $100 to spend 5.5 years ago on a January 2011 2600K? $50 over 2 years doesn't matter but saving $100 over 5 years was a big deal at the cost of a CPU bottleneck in some games? Also, what if 1060 6GB is $279-299 not $249? We'll see. I hope 1060 6B is $249 because that way PC gamers will have 2 solid choices with $199 480 4GB and $249 1060.
Nvidia focus group members get free hardware in exchange for promoting NV online iirc so the Titan X probably wasn't a budget concern.
 

Keysplayr

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If you put it like that, $50 difference, it's just a night's out... But obviously that's because where you're at in life that $50 isn't much to you.

But in many other countries, $50 USD is a huge chunk of their budget.

This is why the lower vram and cheaper option is a good thing.
If they can raise 250, they can raise 299 if they really wanted to and had patience. That's all it really comes down to. If they have the ability to put together 250, then they have the ability to put together 299 by taking longer.
 

Keysplayr

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That's why he CPU bottlenecked his Titan X with a 2500K, and didn't have an extra $100 to spend 5.5 years ago on a January 2011 2600K? $50 over 2 years doesn't matter but saving $100 over 5 years was a big deal at the cost of a CPU bottleneck in some games? Also, what if 1060 6GB is $279-299 not $249? We'll see. I hope 1060 6B is $249 because that way PC gamers will have 2 solid choices with $199 480 4GB and $249 1060.
Is it why? Is that your opinion? Or cold hard facts?
You should be proud of me. For the money, I have not had a compelling reason to move from 2500k. Not for the frames I'd gain. I was hoping Skylake would really deliver and push me to upgrade my platform, but it was just another meh. And, at the time I purchased the 2500k, weren't there plenty of other more cost effective, or performance per dollars options? My purchase history shows that I always chose the second from the top. You pay a huge premium for the top for not that much more performance, like your 2500 to 2600 example.
I'm a 6800GT buyer, not 6800 Ultra. Im a Ti 4400 buyer, not a Ti 4600. I'm a GTX 970 buyer, not a 980 buyer.
 
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Keysplayr

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Wow dude, LOL, once again the only measurement in your whole wall of text.....nothing about feature set, cross-platform integration, AIB providers and support etc...
Perf/$ isnt my #1 priority. With the amount of purchases we hear of in the forums, I dont think its everyone elses either.
Yeah, it's pretty much to the last dollar til the end. He can't understand that a lot of people don't share his opinions and he needs to get over that instead of insulting people for not seeing things his way.
 

sze5003

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I dont really see it as insulting more than informed opinions. For many outside the US the current prices are tough to justify.
 

Keysplayr

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I dont really see it as insulting more than informed opinions. For many outside the US the current prices are tough to justify.
Ok, if not insulting, then maybe just super annoying after the first 5000 times. At least he is consistent.
 

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At the same time no one is forcing anyone to buy any card that is recommended.

Personally I find his posts useful when I ask upgrade questions and because I like logical thinking and care about my money, so I always find what he has to say helpful. I don't sit and read every single review or data mine as much as I can when I want to change a component so the opinionated perspective is helpful in helping me decide. Sometimes I'll agree, other times I may not.

Those that find it annoying I suppose could block those posts/comments.

Anyways tomorrow we should have a good idea of what the 1060 will do. I look forward to reading the reviews and hopefully we can get a stockpile of them here like we did for the 480 thread.
 
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Keysplayr

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At the same time no one is forcing anyone to buy any card that is recommended.

Personally I find his posts useful when I ask upgrade questions and because I like logical thinking and care about my money, so I always find what he has to say helpful. I don't sit and read every single review or data mine as much as I can when I want to change a component so the opinionated perspective is helpful in helping me decide. Sometimes I'll agree, other times I may not.

This that find it annoying I suppose could block those posts/comments.

Anyways tomorrow we should have a good idea of what the 1060 will do. I look forward to reading the reviews and hopefully we can get a stockpile of them here like we did for the 480 thread.
You're right. Nobody is forced to buy anything.
 

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If one takes pride in being able to recommend then they should take an equal amount of pride in not doing it in an insulting way. Think about why they don't.
 

Keysplayr

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If one takes pride in being able to recommend then they should take an equal amount of pride in not doing it in an insulting way. Think about why they don't.
Maybe insulting was the wrong descriptor choice. More like making insinuations that others aren't intelligent or brow beating (E.G. "I don't know why anyone would..." etc. etc.) or ("Anyone with any sense.... etc. etc.)

Things like that.
 

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Bottom line: anyone who insisted folks generally should go with a 960 4GB instead of spending $50 to get 50%+ more performance with the 290 has no place recommending the 1060 in light of the 480 now. It's the basic "am I a fanboy?" test.
 

Keysplayr

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Bottom line: anyone who insisted folks generally should go with a 960 4GB instead of spending $50 to get 50%+ more performance with the 290 has no place recommending the 1060 in light of the 480 now. It's the basic "am I a fanboy?" test.
So that is the cut and dry bottom line is it? Why don't you folks understand that NOTHING is cut and dry in purchase decisions? There are an unlimited number of variables in an unlimited number of personal experience preferences.
Seriously people, enough with the if it's not black, it's white stuff. There is a whole lotta gray hues.
 

swilli89

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Bottom line: anyone who insisted folks generally should go with a 960 4GB instead of spending $50 to get 50%+ more performance with the 290 has no place recommending the 1060 in light of the 480 now. It's the basic "am I a fanboy?" test.
Agreed, the 960 recommended at pretty much any point either points to maliciously recommending worse value/$ or incompetently recommending worse value/$, either war, I would steer away from any person who did make that recommendation.

Also, with proven, certified, quantifiable data that AMD cards hold their performance better after a year+, the 1060 had better be 30% faster for the same price as the 480 for any kind of consideration.
 

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No, there really isn't.

The only exception that is rational and not based on fanboyism or childish emotional attachments to a hardware company is if your PSU couldn't supply the power difference between 960 and 290, and you were ok losing 50% performance for not changing PSUs. If you wanted HDMI 2.0 for HTPC, the 950 was a better card.

I 100% stand by my statement. Anything else is hypocrisy and hand waving. I'm certain those who perpetuated that garbage will come up with any excuse to deflect.
 

sze5003

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There are a lot of quantifiable data points to look at whether to buy one or the other but most of it if you think about it logically, like others have said. Most amd cards got better over the years as drivers improved.

The 1060 will likely be priced only a bit higher than a 480 simply if it is 15 % higher than a 480. This doesn't mean it's worth more. Only worth what you are willing to pay for it.
 

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On the subject o' the 960, it's pretty much the best graphics card available, fer lads on a budget PSU. Much more than that an' yer cutting it close ta popping a 500w PSU.
 

Keysplayr

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No, there really isn't.

The only exception that is rational and not based on fanboyism or childish emotional attachments to a hardware company is if your PSU couldn't supply the power difference between 960 and 290, and you were ok losing 50% performance for not changing PSUs. If you wanted HDMI 2.0 for HTPC, the 950 was a better card.

I 100% stand by my statement. Anything else is hypocrisy and hand waving. I'm certain those who perpetuated that garbage will come up with any excuse to deflect.
Your way, or the highway. Got it. Standing 100% by your statement doesn't mean much when you talk in absolutes.
 

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