[Various]Radeon Fury X and Radeon Fury coming

[tential]

I never keep any card less than 7 years. Hmm living in a first world using third world method. Interesting...

Are you joking? People in the third world don't buy flagship gpu parts that have higher markups than in the US and hold then for 7 years. It's the dumbest strategy ever unless you like being poor, having less performance, etc.

You have 0 business looking at flagship parts like this if you plan on holding for 7 years unless you know very very little about gpu performance (and no offense here but you're new so I don't know your knowledge level but from your 4k thread it's not much compared to seasoned users here). You should just buy a 970 now, then 4 years later buy the step up from that. I'm sure Russian sensation has already picked out how insanely poor this idea is though.

 

[sm625]

Even buying 970 level hardware every four years isnt very efficient. It is better to buy 960 level every two years.

 

[moonbogg]

Even buying 970 level hardware every four years isnt very efficient. It is better to buy 960 level every two years.

I would get less headshots for sure if I did that.

 

[blastingcap]

Does anyone really have total statistics for GPU cards sold that cost greater than $500? I've seen numbers running between 3-5% of total sales, but I haven't seen an official source.

Old and only goes to $200, not $500, but: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/nvidia-geforce-gtx-460.html

If all $200+ dGPU sales are around 14%, and we factor in a little inflation, ten 3-5% of consumer dGPU sales sounds plausible for $500+ GPUs, though I'm guessing it's closer to 3% than 5%.

 

[xthetenth]

Even buying 970 level hardware every four years isnt very efficient. It is better to buy 960 level every two years.

If the 960 were priced such that that was the comparison, it would be a far more compelling product. I've been a habitual x60 buyer, and the 960 made me glad I got a 970 instead.

 

[AnandThenMan]

It doesn't mean AMD can't also have a premium part. As long as they have a part that competes with the 980 ti perf/$ they'll be fine.

I think AMD HAS to beat Nvidia's top card by at least 10%, 15%+ would be better. If they don't then the general consensus will be the card is a failure. We'll see things like, "HBM new architecture the best AMD has after 3 years and it can only do 10% better".

 

[ocre]

Even buying 970 level hardware every four years isnt very efficient. It is better to buy 960 level every two years.

I don't agree at all.

Since the 5850, I have had several gpus for my two PC builds.

1) gtx 460 which I had to overclock to the max.
2) Then a 560ti 448core SUperclocked (OC to 880mhz)
3) gtx760 TF overclocked to the max.
4) gtx980

I think that the 5850, the 560 448core SC and gtx 980 were by far the best experience.
I tried mid level cards and I know that isn't something I want to do again. A gtx960 would be a huge compromise. I mean, if you just want to play games, it will get you by. But, why bother? The 960 level, you might as well be playing a ps4. Perhaps if you are just an MMO guy, idk.

I think if you are gonna invest in PC gaming, the overall cost of a system + 960 is not much different than a system+ 970. I love seeing how far games have come, the wow factor. I don't even get to play games much at all anymore, but I still buy them just to experience the awe.

When I had my kids, my life changed a lot. Very little time for gaming, very very little. So I thought, why spend that much? Just get a mid ranged card, just like you are suggesting. I tried it and found out that it isn't the way I want to do it.

You don't have to spend a lot of money and you don't have to buy the absolute fastest, but if you are gonna play PC games on a gaming PC.......
Get a GPU with some grunt.

Suggestions,
At least a 290 or 970.

Nothing less.

 

[Headfoot]

If the 960 were priced such that that was the comparison, it would be a far more compelling product. I've been a habitual x60 buyer, and the 960 made me glad I got a 970 instead.

That's because the 960 isn't really the 960. It's more like a 950 Ti. The 970 is like a 960 and the 980 is a 960 Ti.

The fact they're called the 980/970 was to fool the buyers into thinking its a higher chip in the lineup than it is. Basically they cashed out their goodwill on the GTX x60 name. Much like how AMD cashed out on FX making it meaningless but Im sure it drove a few sales out of misinformation

Suggestions,
At least a 290 or 970.

Nothing less.

Agreed

 

[xthetenth]

That's because the 960 isn't really the 960. It's more like a 950 Ti. The 970 is like a 960 and the 980 is a 960 Ti.

The fact they're called the 980/970 was to fool the buyers into thinking its a higher chip in the lineup than it is. Basically they cashed out their goodwill on the GTX x60 name. Much like how AMD cashed out on FX making it meaningless but Im sure it drove a few sales out of misinformation

Pretty much. I'm not that amused by NV's entire product stack being the 970, 980 Ti or overpriced.

 

[tential]

Pretty much. I'm not that amused by NV's entire product stack being the 970, 980 Ti or overpriced.

I'm not surprised. The way I see it now.
290
290x/970
980 ti


These are the only worthwhile cards until fiji drops and then we'll see if the gtx 980 gets moved in as a viable card via a priced drop or if amd competes and beats the 980 with the 390x.
Same with fiji vs 980ti.

I was going to get 2 cards for 1400 or so but now I think I'll get fiji pro if it's priced well. If not, then a 290x/970 priced card. Going to just save up and go big with node shrink, 4k, and cannon Lake?

 

[Cloudfire777]

More renders

http://wccftech.com/amd-fiji-xt-based-graphic-card-r9-fury-x-camera-interposer-pcb-size/

 

[moonbogg]

The only thing I don't like about this card is that many people don't have a spot for that cooler fan. Many people have a CPU fan already in their case where that GPU fan needs to go. I am one of those people.
Lets say this card was just AMAZING and went for only $600.00. I wouldn't buy it because I'd need a new case! So cost of card + new case, or switch to a traditional HSF for the CPU, but then I ditch my CLC CPU cooler? Kind of tough for some people I think. I was married to a Gsync display anyways, but I think at least a decent number of people have to have this case problem. Agree?

 

[EightySix Four]

The only thing I don't like about this card is that many people don't have a spot for that cooler fan. Many people have a CPU fan already in their case where that GPU fan needs to go. I am one of those people.
Lets say this card was just AMAZING and went for only $600.00. I wouldn't buy it because I'd need a new case! So cost of card + new case, or switch to a traditional HSF for the CPU, but then I ditch my CLC CPU cooler? Kind of tough for some people I think. I was married to a Gsync display anyways, but I think at least a decent number of people have to have this case problem. Agree?

I don't personally have that problem but plenty of people will/do. Totally agree.

 

[iiiankiii]

The only thing I don't like about this card is that many people don't have a spot for that cooler fan. Many people have a CPU fan already in their case where that GPU fan needs to go. I am one of those people.
Lets say this card was just AMAZING and went for only $600.00. I wouldn't buy it because I'd need a new case! So cost of card + new case, or switch to a traditional HSF for the CPU, but then I ditch my CLC CPU cooler? Kind of tough for some people I think. I was married to a Gsync display anyways, but I think at least a decent number of people have to have this case problem. Agree?

Yeah, it ain't for people with limited case space. Having said that, most recent and decent case wouldn't have those problems. If you have the budget to buy high end cards, you probably have a case that will support multiple CLC units. You might be the minority, here. For example, I have a CHEAP mid-atx case but I was able to put a 240mm rad and a 120mm rad in the case. I paid $20 for it.

Plus, there will be AIB cards with better open air cooler. If you want a blower type cooler, I think AMD will only offer CLC.

 

[Face2Face]

I'm wondering how they are cooling the VRMs? I wonder if they have a small blower fan under the shroud to cool them (Notice the ventilation slots on the bracket)? Or if there is something that resembles a full water block?

 

[RaulF]

I'm wondering how they are cooling the VRMs? I wonder if they have a small blower fan under the shroud to cool them (Notice the ventilation slots on the bracket)? Or if there is something that resembles a full water block?

By the looks that we have seem, it looks like a full water block type design. Since no fan is visible. I just hope they dont gymp it like the 295X2 with a 75 degree thermal limit.

 

[Zstream]

Would love to know the defect rate of water coolers.

 

[tential]

Yeah, it ain't for people with limited case space. Having said that, most recent and decent case wouldn't have those problems. If you have the budget to buy high end cards, you probably have a case that will support multiple CLC units. You might be the minority, here. For example, I have a CHEAP mid-atx case but I was able to put a 240mm rad and a 120mm rad in the case. I paid $20 for it.

Plus, there will be AIB cards with better open air cooler. If you want a blower type cooler, I think AMD will only offer CLC.

If you're a person still crying about clc not having enough space in your case then just lol at you.
Even more lol if you need cf and don't have enough space.

Enough money to get high end gpus but not enough to spend an extra small incremental amount to get a proper case.

I haven't bought half as much hardware as many users here yet I at least have a good case that will support every hardware configuration I plan on using. My biggest limitation is power supply... But I'm not crazy enough to buy crossfire fury and then just not spend 100 extra for a new psu. But some people won't add an additional 5-10% to their cost.

 

[MrTeal]

The only thing I don't like about this card is that many people don't have a spot for that cooler fan. Many people have a CPU fan already in their case where that GPU fan needs to go. I am one of those people.
Lets say this card was just AMAZING and went for only $600.00. I wouldn't buy it because I'd need a new case! So cost of card + new case, or switch to a traditional HSF for the CPU, but then I ditch my CLC CPU cooler? Kind of tough for some people I think. I was married to a Gsync display anyways, but I think at least a decent number of people have to have this case problem. Agree?

What kind of case do you have where you are able run 980Ti SLI but don't have a front 120mm fan spot to toss a CLC cooler? I think that would be a pretty limited problem, even most small mATX cases support two 120mm fans.

 

[boozzer]

If you're a person still crying about clc not having enough space in your case then just lol at you.
Even more lol if you need cf and don't have enough space.

Enough money to get high end gpus but not enough to spend an extra small incremental amount to get a proper case.

I haven't bought half as much hardware as many users here yet I at least have a good case that will support every hardware configuration I plan on using. My biggest limitation is power supply... But I'm not crazy enough to buy crossfire fury and then just not spend 100 extra for a new psu. But some people won't add an additional 5-10% to their cost.

hehe, exactly. can afford 1000$ gpus but can't spend 1/10 of that amount for a good case that will last multiple builds. :twisted:

 

[DarkKnightDude]

They probably need a cooler like that since its way smaller then a normal card, and mounting an air blower on it to keep temps down would have been...tricky.

 

[Noctifer616]

They probably need a cooler like that since its way smaller then a normal card, and mounting an air blower on it to keep temps down would have been...tricky.

Would also look weird if the cooler is longer than the PCB.

 

[Silverforce11]

They probably need a cooler like that since its way smaller then a normal card, and mounting an air blower on it to keep temps down would have been...tricky.

Tricky to get an extension? Look at the gtx670, 760 and 970 reference design, partial PCB + fan extended.

AMD needs a good reference card that runs cool & quiet. It helps with reducing power use due to temp related leakage and it definitely stomps out all the future comparisons. Look at the R290/X situation, even now, its reputation for hot & power hungry is entrenched when there's custom R290X models that use less gaming power than 780Ti and run cooler!

 

[therealnickdanger]

As someone else said, AMD wouldn't charge more than a 980ti if it's slower than a 980ti. Then again, if it is way better at compute, then they could justify it the same way NVIDIA justifies the price of Titan X. That is the alleged point of the Fury branding, isn't it?

 

[Silverforce11]

As someone else said, AMD wouldn't charge more than a 980ti if it's slower than a 980ti. Then again, if it is way better at compute, then they could justify it the same way NVIDIA justifies the price of Titan X. That is the alleged point of the Fury branding, isn't it?

Due to NV's strong brand image:

For similar performance, AMD must be cheaper. Sometimes a lot cheaper.
For more performance but more power use (R290 v 960), gamers will prefer to buy the 960.

If AMD sells something similar in price to NV, it has to beat it in performance and be close in efficiency.

So the only way AMD can actually sell a GPU for more than NV, is if it totally destroys it on performance, at similar power usage.

Now if AMD can repeat this for a few generations, they will reverse their brand image, from "el cheapo/value" to "premium!".