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[thehotsung8701A]

@RussianSensation

I replied back to you asking you what was the best upgrade strategy but this thread move so fast it was lost in the shuffle and you might have missed it. Also I notice you are on when I’m close to bed. I am not one of those that buy the latest and greatest without thinking about price to performance ratios.

The most expensive card I ever bought was the HD 5850 and it was $250. In 5 years, I would have spent only $500 if I am like most users who updated their gpu every 2.5 years. However my card lasted 7 years at the price point of $250. That is what I mean when I don’t usually upgrade shorter than 7 years. I think you might have misunderstood me there. I am not stubborn and always open to opinion. Even a $350 is more than I ever pay for a single GPU.

The thing is I’m in a unique situation right now. I want to build a brand new computer to run in 5760 X 1080p resolution and I don’t think a GTX 970 is enough for that. I don’t think any GPU with only 4GB or less of VRAM is sufficient for what I’m trying to accomplish. I am tire of only having one screen to work and play on and my time is slow down significantly. I work at home and productivity for me is very important. After seeing gaming and productivity of triple monitor on Youtube, I don’t think I can ever go back to one screen.

Currently, unless I’m wrong the GTX 980Ti is the only one with 6GB of VRAM.

Let me know what you think or what you suggest. Even $350 for a GPU is out of character for me. I would also like to know more about your strategy. Are you saying buying 2 cards at different time net a better performance than one max card one at time? Also back then I wasn’t into upgrading my pc much so I never really overclock nor ever took out my GPU. That is going to change now.

Also I don’t think I will get the GTX 980ti regardless since there are problem with Nvidia Surround that would be a hassle to deal with. Hopefully you see my reply to you.

 

[tential]

@RussianSensation

I replied back to you asking you what was the best upgrade strategy but this thread move so fast it was lost in the shuffle and you might have missed it. Also I notice you are on when I’m close to bed. I am not one of those that buy the latest and greatest without thinking about price to performance ratios.

The most expensive card I ever bought was the HD 5850 and it was $250. In 5 years, I would have spent only $500 if I am like most users who updated their gpu every 2.5 years. However my card lasted 7 years at the price point of $250. That is what I mean when I don’t usually upgrade shorter than 7 years. I think you might have misunderstood me there. I am not stubborn and always open to opinion. Even a $350 is more than I ever pay for a single GPU.

The thing is I’m in a unique situation right now. I want to build a brand new computer to run in 5760 X 1080p resolution and I don’t think a GTX 970 is enough for that. I don’t think any GPU with only 4GB or less of VRAM is sufficient for what I’m trying to accomplish. I am tire of only having one screen to work and play on and my time is slow down significantly. I work at home and productivity for me is very important. After seeing gaming and productivity of triple monitor on Youtube, I don’t think I can ever go back to one screen.

Currently, unless I’m wrong the GTX 980Ti is the only one with 6GB of VRAM.

Let me know what you think or what you suggest. Even $350 for a GPU is out of character for me. I would also like to know more about your strategy. Are you saying buying 2 cards at different time net a better performance than one max card one at time? Also back then I wasn’t into upgrading my pc much so I never really overclock nor ever took out my GPU. That is going to change now.

Also I don’t think I will get the GTX 980ti regardless since there are problem with Nvidia Surround that would be a hassle to deal with. Hopefully you see my reply to you.

Read back he already explained his strategy I think.
I think Russian would recommend you to buy a 290x/GTX 970 now. Then, buy a card 3 years later after the node shrink happens NEXT FREAKING YEAR (have to emphasize this this much for you).

So that's 2 cards. Generally you keep your cards for 6-7 years (6 just for the sake of math here I know you said 7). Also, I chose the R9 290x/GTX 970 so we can get close to the same expenditure of the Gtx 980 Ti. Ok, now that I laid out the groundwork:

You get a R9 290x/GTX 970 now. Ok, you already know the performance of the GTX 980 Ti, you know it's very good and far better than the GTX 970 or R9 290x. You game on it for 2-3 years.

During this time. A node shrink happens for BOTH amd and nvidia. HBM1 now evolves to HBM2. AMD and Nvidia have both had some time on the new node to develop their process so you aren't getting an immature tech. Just for reference, we normally get node shrinks regularly, we haven't had one in years. It will be FOUR years for this node shrink after getting one every 1-2 years. The amount of performance gain from a node shrink is GREAT. Now, add that on TOP of the amount of performance they'll get from moving to HBM. No offense, but do you really think even next year's Pascal, Nvidia isn't going to deliver a SUBSTANTIALLY faster GPU? It will be their first GPU with HBM, and their first GPU on a new node (if I'm not mistaken). If you think with those 2 tech combined, even next year that Nvidia won't blow away Maxwell and double performance then honestly, I'm worried for Nvidia.

So you'll have spent $300 now, then $300 in however much longer you feel like waiting. That second $300 you spent, will beat the 980Ti. Easily. Just stupid easily. Nvidia could probably get a massive bump in performance just modifying Maxwell to use HBM and using a node shrink alone, and you'd still be better off than the 980Ti, but they're making a new architecture on top of that.

So 1-3 years with less perf than the 980Ti, and 2-4 years with FAR GREATER performance thant he 980Ti.

Or, you can get a 980Ti for $650 now, and hold on to it for 7 years....
Next year it'll be mid range or close to it. Dead serious.
3-4 years from now, you'll have a limited number of sites that even bench your card. 5-7 years from now, you aren't even getting support for your card. Did you not just see what Nvidia did to Kepler.... You want to hold onto Maxwell for 7 years? You think you'll get any support for ANY games that long? lol.... that's just such a poor strategy it makes me cry to think that someone would seriously consider it.

Edit:
Also, RS would post more graphs/performance numbers from past happenings. He'd also tell you how that it's not even the complete picture since you can sell the GTX 970/R9 290x for some value to invest into your new GPU so you'll come out with even more money from getting 2 GPUs in 7 years vs 1 flagship gpu in 7 years.

Flagship products carry a premium, this shouldn't even be a discussion. They aren't value products, they're halo products that people with disposable income buy.

Edit 2:
Realistically though, if you want to run 3 screens you probably need to up your budget and how much you spend on hardware since games that come out now are poor console ports and we throw tons of GPU horsepower at them. We have games struggling to be better graphically than crysis 3 while taking far more demanding GPUs to run... So ya, you're going to need to think what your real budget is per year for GPUs so someone can tell you what the optimal upgrade strategy is for you.

 

[blastingcap]

@RussianSensation

I replied back to you asking you what was the best upgrade strategy but this thread move so fast it was lost in the shuffle and you might have missed it. Also I notice you are on when I’m close to bed. I am not one of those that buy the latest and greatest without thinking about price to performance ratios.

The most expensive card I ever bought was the HD 5850 and it was $250. In 5 years, I would have spent only $500 if I am like most users who updated their gpu every 2.5 years. However my card lasted 7 years at the price point of $250. That is what I mean when I don’t usually upgrade shorter than 7 years. I think you might have misunderstood me there. I am not stubborn and always open to opinion. Even a $350 is more than I ever pay for a single GPU.

The thing is I’m in a unique situation right now. I want to build a brand new computer to run in 5760 X 1080p resolution and I don’t think a GTX 970 is enough for that. I don’t think any GPU with only 4GB or less of VRAM is sufficient for what I’m trying to accomplish. I am tire of only having one screen to work and play on and my time is slow down significantly. I work at home and productivity for me is very important. After seeing gaming and productivity of triple monitor on Youtube, I don’t think I can ever go back to one screen.

Currently, unless I’m wrong the GTX 980Ti is the only one with 6GB of VRAM.

Let me know what you think or what you suggest. Even $350 for a GPU is out of character for me. I would also like to know more about your strategy. Are you saying buying 2 cards at different time net a better performance than one max card one at time? Also back then I wasn’t into upgrading my pc much so I never really overclock nor ever took out my GPU. That is going to change now.

Also I don’t think I will get the GTX 980ti regardless since there are problem with Nvidia Surround that would be a hassle to deal with. Hopefully you see my reply to you.

If you don't want to read walls of text here's the short story: buy cards between $200 and $300 (launch price). When that card becomes too slow for your needs, sell it and buy another $200-$300 card. Repeat. This is much more effective in the long run than buying a $500+ flagship card and holding onto it.

This "strategy" if you want to call it that, only works if you don't actually need more power. For instance if you plan to game at 4K today at high framerates, you pretty much have to buy a top-of-the-line card or two. Don't get SLI/Crossfire unless you have to, because not all games support multi-GPU.

 

[Silverforce11]

If you don't want to read walls of text here's the short story: buy cards between $200 and $300 (launch price). When that card becomes too slow for your needs, sell it and buy another $200-$300 card. Repeat. This is much more effective in the long run than buying a $500+ flagship card and holding onto it.

This "strategy" if you want to call it that, only works if you don't actually need more power. For instance if you plan to game at 4K today at high framerates, you pretty much have to buy a top-of-the-line card or two. Don't get SLI/Crossfire unless you have to, because not all games support multi-GPU.

I agree with this, RS's approach works really well for the 1080p gamer. You save a ton of $ in the long run by not paying for the halo tax & rapid devaluation that comes with owning the top GPUs.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

@Tential

Thank you for explaining it to me. I’m not sure what I want to do at this point, I already miss out on the bundle price of the GTX 970 which would mean I would only pay $290 since they are selling Batman and Witcher 3 key on Ebay for $30 each. Because I miss out on those bundles, it wouldn’t be a smart buy now. $350 without those 2 free games (though I already own Witcher 3) is losing out on $60. Unless Nvidia cut down their price of the GTX 970 down to $250 or less then it wouldn’t be a smart buy for me. R9 290X is also the same price so that doesn’t help either. I am not impress with the GTX 980ti performance just like I wasn’t impress with the Titan X performance. Those cards are overkill for 1080p but not for 5760 X 1080p and spending that amount of money and not getting ultra 60fps with hair work on is downright silly.

Now back to your question. I know that PASCAL will destroy current GPU by maybe 2 to 3 Times the performance, but I also know that it going to be at least 17 months before they appear. Going from 28nm to 14nm is just gargantuan! I know this is going to be the upgrade in years if not ever. It just massive though unfortunately it not right now!!!

But what am I to do now? I already wasted time waiting for the Fury and Fury X, and I already lost out on the $60 dollars price deduction or more with the GTX 970 bundles, which I cannot bring myself to buying it now.

I know Nvidia do not treat their customer well like AMD does with their. It a common trend that everyone probably knows by now. What happen with Kepler (though they did fix it) and the lies of the GTX 970 3.5GB instead of 4GB is why I don’t really want to support Nvidia going forward. I also think TressFX when it works is better looking than Hairwork. I wasn’t blown away by the Witcher 3 hairwork either.

Since it been so long since I got back into the PC building hobby, are you positive than a 300 dollars card a year or more from now will be better than the GTX 980ti?

I’m going to spend a lot of money because this is my hobby. I’m going to deck out my computer like crazy. This is my babe and what will sustain me for now after a very nasty heartbreak.

With that said, the longer it take me to build my computer the more my budget increase. Right now I don’t really have a budget. Will I be able to play the Witcher 3 on good setting with only a single GTX 970 or r9 290x on 5760 X 1080p resolution?

Let me know what your suggestions are. Thanks




@Silverforce 11 and blastingcap

See that is the thing. What RS suggested work extremely well for 1080p, but I'm no longer a 1080p gamer. I don't think I told RS this so that is why all this is so confusing. 1080p just doesn't cut it for me more. I need immersion, I need the next evolution of gaming and I don't think it 1440p or 4K, it triple monitoring gaming or what I call panoramic gaming. It the next best thing next to Occultist Rift VR. I can't game in 1080p no more cause I'm quite fed up with life in general and games are just no longer fun like they used to when you were a kid and didn't have any worry or responsibility.

Back on topic - I suppose I'm no longer part of the mainstream crowd since very few do triple monitor gaming. I never though I would leave the mainstream crowd.

 

[Silverforce11]

@thehotsung8701A

Buy a cheap R290, Sapphire Tri-X or XFX model. They are often around $220-250. Enough for the gap to 14nm.

Witcher 3 is very demanding if you run it on Ultra, no single GPU can even handle 1080p maxed at 60 fps. But if you turn down settings to High, its very playable, I have a rig with 7950 and it runs High + Ultra textures at ~45 fps 1080p. R290 will keep it 60 fps + with those settings.

 

[soccerballtux]

Read back he already explained his strategy I think.
I think Russian would recommend you to buy a 290x/GTX 970 now. Then, buy a card 3 years later after the node shrink happens NEXT FREAKING YEAR (have to emphasize this this much for you).

So that's 2 cards. Generally you keep your cards for 6-7 years (6 just for the sake of math here I know you said 7). Also, I chose the R9 290x/GTX 970 so we can get close to the same expenditure of the Gtx 980 Ti. Ok, now that I laid out the groundwork:

You get a R9 290x/GTX 970 now. Ok, you already know the performance of the GTX 980 Ti, you know it's very good and far better than the GTX 970 or R9 290x. You game on it for 2-3 years.

During this time. A node shrink happens for BOTH amd and nvidia. HBM1 now evolves to HBM2. AMD and Nvidia have both had some time on the new node to develop their process so you aren't getting an immature tech. Just for reference, we normally get node shrinks regularly, we haven't had one in years. It will be FOUR years for this node shrink after getting one every 1-2 years. The amount of performance gain from a node shrink is GREAT. Now, add that on TOP of the amount of performance they'll get from moving to HBM. No offense, but do you really think even next year's Pascal, Nvidia isn't going to deliver a SUBSTANTIALLY faster GPU? It will be their first GPU with HBM, and their first GPU on a new node (if I'm not mistaken). If you think with those 2 tech combined, even next year that Nvidia won't blow away Maxwell and double performance then honestly, I'm worried for Nvidia.

So you'll have spent $300 now, then $300 in however much longer you feel like waiting. That second $300 you spent, will beat the 980Ti. Easily. Just stupid easily. Nvidia could probably get a massive bump in performance just modifying Maxwell to use HBM and using a node shrink alone, and you'd still be better off than the 980Ti, but they're making a new architecture on top of that.

So 1-3 years with less perf than the 980Ti, and 2-4 years with FAR GREATER performance thant he 980Ti.

Or, you can get a 980Ti for $650 now, and hold on to it for 7 years....
Next year it'll be mid range or close to it. Dead serious.
3-4 years from now, you'll have a limited number of sites that even bench your card. 5-7 years from now, you aren't even getting support for your card. Did you not just see what Nvidia did to Kepler.... You want to hold onto Maxwell for 7 years? You think you'll get any support for ANY games that long? lol.... that's just such a poor strategy it makes me cry to think that someone would seriously consider it.

Edit:
Also, RS would post more graphs/performance numbers from past happenings. He'd also tell you how that it's not even the complete picture since you can sell the GTX 970/R9 290x for some value to invest into your new GPU so you'll come out with even more money from getting 2 GPUs in 7 years vs 1 flagship gpu in 7 years.

Flagship products carry a premium, this shouldn't even be a discussion. They aren't value products, they're halo products that people with disposable income buy.

Edit 2:
Realistically though, if you want to run 3 screens you probably need to up your budget and how much you spend on hardware since games that come out now are poor console ports and we throw tons of GPU horsepower at them. We have games struggling to be better graphically than crysis 3 while taking far more demanding GPUs to run... So ya, you're going to need to think what your real budget is per year for GPUs so someone can tell you what the optimal upgrade strategy is for you.

why would they give great performance on the node shrink? safer from shareholder perspective to use the shrink to market to the 'lower power' crowd, and then worry about the performance nuts in the next gen.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

@thehotsung8701A

Buy a cheap R290, Sapphire Tri-X or XFX model. They are often around $220-250. Enough for the gap to 14nm.

Witcher 3 is very demanding if you run it on Ultra, no single GPU can even handle 1080p maxed at 60 fps. But if you turn down settings to High, its very playable, I have a rig with 7950 and it runs High + Ultra textures at ~45 fps 1080p. R290 will keep it 60 fps + with those settings.

Not sure if you saw my reply that I just edit to you about me wanting to game in 5760 X 1080p resolution?

Though with this setup, I don't think I could go with Nvidia regardless due to Surround. So I guess my only choice is what AMD card to buy.

 

[ocre]

Not sure if you saw my reply that I just edit to you about me wanting to game in 5760 X 1080p resolution?

Though with this setup, I don't think I could go with Nvidia regardless due to Surround. So I guess my only choice is what AMD card to buy.

I think they are giving you crazy advice.

290x for 5760 x 1080p? What?

You say this is your hobby and you want to build a really great gaming PC.......

Well, why don't you do that then.

Here is what you do. Wait on fury see what it offers, then buy either fury or the 980ti.

If you want the batman game or bundle, then you might get the 980ti now.

No way I would ever recommend a 290x for that resolution to last you till pascal. No freakn way

 

[Lalilulelo]

I don't have a GPU atm as I recently plan to build it after AMD launches their GPUs depending on the price/performance.

Looking back,

Jun 22, 2012 Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition $500
2013 - Skip
2014 - SKip
2015 - Jun 22, Sell old gpu for 30-45% back , Add additional $300 for high end. $500
Repeat

Seems Legit.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

I think they are giving you crazy advice.

290x for 5760 x 1080p? What?

You say this is your hobby and you want to build a really great gaming PC.......

Well, why don't you do that then.

Here is what you do. Wait on fury see what it offers, then buy either fury or the 980ti.

If you want the batman game or bundle, then you might get the 980ti now.

No way I would ever recommend a 290x for that resolution to last you till pascal. No freakn way

I think some just misunderstood me, or bad advice but I appreciated all advice and taking the time to help me out.

It hard for me to say really, I am no so dependent on AMD new offering.

The problem with Surround (not sure if it still exist) is it has difficult going from full 3 monitor gaming to individual screen back onto desktop and eye infinity is just so much easier for that. I don't like to deal with hassle hence why I can't use 1 monitor for productivity. I work at home and will be for the foreseeable future since I love my job so much. At this point, 5760 x 1080p is a must because it not just about gaming like it would be with 1440p and 4K, but now it also help with my work productivity. I also just got a new desk and it can even fit 3 30inches monitor if needed along with space for a full size tower.

 

[ocre]

Its only a few weeks till Fiji.

Don't sweat it. You will know if it is the one for you then. If it turns out it is not the card, buy the 980ti.

Hey, hold off and we can revisit it again. After the announcement.

Hopefully Fiji will be a hard launch. But either way, I ink you should wait to see what's up

 

[Silverforce11]

I think they are giving you crazy advice.

290x for 5760 x 1080p? What?

You say this is your hobby and you want to build a really great gaming PC.......

Well, why don't you do that then.

Here is what you do. Wait on fury see what it offers, then buy either fury or the 980ti.

If you want the batman game or bundle, then you might get the 980ti now.

No way I would ever recommend a 290x for that resolution to last you till pascal. No freakn way

It's not crazy at all. He wants to game at 3x 1080p with one GPU and he's looking at the R290X or 970.

NO single GPU can handle 3x 1080p in Witcher 3 (his example) without turning down lots of settings. So it's a pointless exercise.

 

[LTC8K6]

He's not buying an NV card...

His choice is current AMD, or future AMD.

Since it's only until mid June, I think he can wait and see what AMD pulls out of the hat.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

Its only a few weeks till Fiji.

Don't sweat it. You will know if it is the one for you then. If it turns out it is not the card, buy the 980ti.

Hey, hold off and we can revisit it again. After the announcement.

Hopefully Fiji will be a hard launch. But either way, I ink you should wait to see what's up

Will the batman promotion still be available by then?

Problem is I'll be stuck with Nvidia Surround...:\

 

[Silverforce11]

I think some just misunderstood me, or bad advice but I appreciated all advice and taking the time to help me out.

It hard for me to say really, I am no so dependent on AMD new offering.

The problem with Surround (not sure if it still exist) is it has difficult going from full 3 monitor gaming to individual screen back onto desktop and eye infinity is just so much easier for that. I don't like to deal with hassle hence why I can't use 1 monitor for productivity. I work at home and will be for the foreseeable future since I love my job so much. At this point, 5760 x 1080p is a must because it not just about gaming like it would be with 1440p and 4K, but now it also help with my work productivity. I also just got a new desk and it can even fit 3 30inches monitor if needed along with space for a full size tower.

If you game beyond 1080p and you want a single GPU, you have to sacrifice image quality and turn down settings.

If you really wanna "game max" 3x 1080p, you would need 2 x Titan X SLI class performance. Even then, some settings like 4x MSAA will kill performance.

So your best option if you talked about the gap to 14nm is just to spend as little as possible and get good 1080p gaming to tie you over. That's why I suggested R290 for cheap.

 

[soccerballtux]

I think some just misunderstood me, or bad advice but I appreciated all advice and taking the time to help me out.

It hard for me to say really, I am no so dependent on AMD new offering.

The problem with Surround (not sure if it still exist) is it has difficult going from full 3 monitor gaming to individual screen back onto desktop and eye infinity is just so much easier for that. I don't like to deal with hassle hence why I can't use 1 monitor for productivity. I work at home and will be for the foreseeable future since I love my job so much. At this point, 5760 x 1080p is a must because it not just about gaming like it would be with 1440p and 4K, but now it also help with my work productivity. I also just got a new desk and it can even fit 3 30inches monitor if needed along with space for a full size tower.

what you job

 

[LTC8K6]

When was the last time you used NV surround?

 

[Vesku]

I think they are giving you crazy advice.

290x for 5760 x 1080p? What?

You say this is your hobby and you want to build a really great gaming PC.......

Well, why don't you do that then.

Here is what you do. Wait on fury see what it offers, then buy either fury or the 980ti.

If you want the batman game or bundle, then you might get the 980ti now.

No way I would ever recommend a 290x for that resolution to last you till pascal. No freakn way

If he's trying to keep his trend of ~$500 or less every 7 years for GPUs though he is better off playing at lower settings on a cheap 290/970 and buying the node shrink ~$300 card of his preference.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

If you game beyond 1080p and you want a single GPU, you have to sacrifice image quality and turn down settings.

If you really wanna "game max" 3x 1080p, you would need 2 x Titan X SLI class performance. Even then, some settings like 4x MSAA will kill performance.

So your best option if you talked about the gap to 14nm is just to spend as little as possible and get good 1080p gaming to tie you over. That's why I suggested R290 for cheap.

Well having 3 monitors is a must regardless of gaming. The reason I op for 5760 X 1080p gaming is that worst case scenario, my gpu would be overkill for a single 1080p regardless. That may not be the case with a 1440p monitor.

However I want to know which one is more demanding on games, 5760 x 1080p or 1440p because if triple monitor is more intense than 1440p, I might have to rethink my decision. Also I'm not sure if it you or not or if it the 290 or 290x but someone said there is flicker issue with those card for The Witcher 3, and that game is the primary reason why I'm upgrading my PC after close to a decade.

 

[Silverforce11]

Ofc 3x 1080p is more intensive on GPUs. More pixels.

I play Witcher 3 with my 7950, R290s. There's no issue with latest drivers and patches.

Radeons run Witcher 3 really well, even HairWorks with a catalyst tweak.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1011-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti/page6.html

3x 1080p roughly halfway between 1600p and 4K in terms of performance.

As you can see, no single GPU can handle that.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

Ofc 3x 1080p is more intensive on GPUs. More pixels.

I play Witcher 3 with my 7950, R290s. There's no issue with latest drivers and patches.

Radeons run Witcher 3 really well, even HairWorks with a catalyst tweak.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1011-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti/page6.html

3x 1080p roughly halfway between 1600p and 4K in terms of performance.

As you can see, no single GPU can handle that.

That not too bad. Still I constantly see 295x2 on top of every benchmark yet the 980ti is better.

 

[Silverforce11]

That not too bad. Still I constantly see 295x2 on top of every benchmark yet the 980ti is better.

Cos 295x2 will blow donkey in NV sponsored GameWorks titles without functional CrossFire support. It's a risky buy given NV is likely to sponsor more games than AMD with their cash reserves.

When CF works, it's a really good option as the performance is very good in recent titles. When it doesn't, you're left wanting since a single R290X isn't enough to drive 3x 1080p.

Multi-GPU option is more safer on NV.

 

[LTC8K6]

That not too bad. Still I constantly see 295x2 on top of every benchmark yet the 980ti is better.

Well, 295X2 is actually two video cards on one board.

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/14-0...oduct_Shot_PCB_Flat_Profile_5in300dpi_RBG.jpg

 

[blastingcap]

Will the batman promotion still be available by then?

Problem is I'll be stuck with Nvidia Surround...:\

Why is NV Surround so bad? Did I miss something?